Supporters Club & Trust Statement: Taking The Knee (Merged)

[Bristol Rob]

2 minutes ago, CodeRed said:

more of a knee bend from what I saw

Arm stretch, Rah-Rah-Rah.

[The Humble Realist]

Heres a novel idea

IF you are a fan unhappy at people booing taking the knee ask yourself whether the people that are booing are actually racist or simply unhappy at the political connotations /virtue gesturing /being told what to think

IF you are a fan booing taking the knee think about what your booing might imply , even though I'm sure it is not your intention that it comes across this way

My point is we could all benefit from seeing the other side of the argument in this issue (and in life more generally) whatever side we are all on. I could give my own opinion but I should ask myself the questions above too

In many ways continually arguing is making the divisions greater which is just sad for all on both sides . Cant we all just get along ?

[redcard]

22 minutes ago, Redinthehead said:

The purpose has been explained about 5,000 times and even in a statement from the club in the specific case of City.

If you still boo you are either too stupid to understand or against the message of anti-discrimination. It’s not about having a different view it’s about understanding something very basic.

So taking the knee has nothing to do with the American BLM movement??

[Sixtyseconds]

Been shared with Bristol anti facists?

Hope not Hate?

Antifa yet?

Thems that call Bristol City fans scum and notorioulsy racist.

Some of their mates attack people and burn stuff.

Stoke the culture war more SC&T.

[BS2 Red]

7 minutes ago, swanker said:

Oh, I knew you’d be on here

And I knew you'd be here with nothing sensible to add.

[Redinthehead]

1 minute ago, redcard said:

So taking the knee has nothing to do with the American BLM movement??

Not when City do it. Read their statement.

Other people have explained it’s origins outside of City. 

[QuedgeRed]

1 minute ago, redcard said:

So taking the knee has nothing to do with the American BLM movement??

Not British footballers kneeling no!!!

[BCFCGav]

For goodness sake. Bristol City obviously don’t advocate defunding the police. It’s a gesture against racism. Just back it or be quiet.

[BS2 Red]

Just now, redcard said:

So taking the knee has nothing to do with the American BLM movement??

No.

There is no one American BLM movement for one. Plus taking the knee predates the political  BLM movements.

BLM protesters might take the knee, but they also do a lot of other gestures. Linking taking the knee to BLM is like linking the peace sign to Charles Manson just because he was known to put his fingers up.

[Numero Uno]

5 minutes ago, redcard said:

So taking the knee has nothing to do with the American BLM movement??

When the club states specifically that it isn't in this instance then surely you have to take them at their word? Or are you so paranoid that you literally take nobody and nothing at their word?

[RedLionLad]

I wanted to boo the boo’ers, then realised I couldn’t…

[italian dave]

1 hour ago, Redland said:

I go to the football for enjoyment (hopefully) entertainment and recreation. I do not go to watch a party political broadcast on behalf of BLM or indeed any other organisation. It is ridiculous for the players and media  to claim that taking the knee is nothing to do with BLM when the gesture is indelibly linked to that particular organisation. I am sure that the majority of those that boo are not racist but simply do not wish to be associated with the BLM agenda of defunding the police, ending capitalism etc.

There was a link yesterday on the politics thread to a discussion with Michael Holding on this (it’s gone now, I think because it was part of the live test match commentary stream).

He spoke far more eloquently than I ever will about it, and one of the points he made was to ask whether anyone seriously thinks that when Colin Kaepernick went down on his knee five years ago what was going through his mind was a desire to defund the police and to end capitalism?

[redcard]

3 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

When the club states specifically that it isn't in this instance then surely you have to take them at their word? Or are you so paranoid that you literally take nobody and nothing at their word?

 

7 minutes ago, BS2 Red said:

No.

There is no one American BLM movement for one. Plus taking the knee predates the political  BLM movements.

BLM protesters might take the knee, but they also do a lot of other gestures. Linking taking the knee to BLM is like linking the peace sign to Charles Manson just because he was known to put his fingers up.

Taking the knee was resurrected by the BLM in response to the actions of the American Police and the rest of the world followed those actions, or am I being paranoid about that too?? Again a Question!!!

 

[BTRFTG]

Not sure there's much left to boo.

The time taken 'at knee' yesterday clearly demonstrates it's become a vacant gesture linked to, I'm not sure there's a clear consensus as to what the demonstration is now for? I think the problem for players is with 'the hindsight righteous' looking to cancel anything they deem fit, they lack a way forward without themselves being targeted should they cease from so doing.

In my section of the stand I heard not one conversation as to the relative merit or meaning of what the players and officials were doing or why, only mumblings akin, ' get on with the ****ing game...'

[steviestevieneville]

3 hours ago, Redandproud said:

So who booed at the taking  the knee, quite a few did, do you think this should end now,

Didn’t hear a thing . Something to moan about though I suppose

[redcard]

1 minute ago, BTRFTG said:

Not sure there's much left to boo.

The time taken 'at knee' yesterday clearly demonstrates it's become a vacant gesture linked to, I'm not sure there's a clear consensus as to what the demonstration is now for? I think the problem for players is with 'the hindsight righteous' looking to cancel anything they deem fit, they lack a way forward without themselves being targeted should they cease from so doing.

In my section of the stand I heard not one conversation as to the relative merit or meaning of what the players and officials were doing or why, only mumblings akin, ' get on with the ****ing game...'

We were all there just to watch a game of football involving the team we love! Nothing else!

[italian dave]

Just now, steviestevieneville said:

Didn’t hear a thing . Something to moan about though I suppose

I heard it more clearly than I heard the Dolman tannoy! Yet more to moan about!

[Big C]

2 hours ago, Cowshed said:

Fans booed an act not the players? True or false? The whys ? Racist impact? How could you know?

You cannot truly answer the above without thorough engagement with supporters and neither can the supporters trust. 

 

Booed the players as far as I could see.

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, redcard said:

 

Taking the knee was resurrected by the BLM in response to the actions of the American Police and the rest of the world followed those actions, or am I being paranoid about that too?? Again a Question!!!

 

Racists like the BNP and NF took ownership of the St George cross years back until people decided "**** that, if I want to support England at anything I will fly my flag proudly". Therefore using your logic we really ought to associate anyone and everyone who has an England flag attached to their car or bedroom window to these parties and condemn them as out and out racists even when they clearly state that they are flying their flag to support the England football team and not the BNP/NF. That is your logic isn't it? 

[Yoyo2345]

Don't moan if people have an opinion on people taking the knee, if I was there I would of booed. This is football playing with politics a dangerous game.

[Cowshed]

2 minutes ago, Big C said:

Booed the players as far as I could see.

As far as = You do not know. You logically cannot and neither can the Supporters trust come to their conclusion unless they engage with supporters asking them their why.

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, Yoyo2345 said:

Don't moan if people have an opinion on people taking the knee, if I was there I would of booed. This is football playing with politics a dangerous game.

Just out of interest, ignoring views on taking the knee for a second, do you believe that people sending racist tweets to players or going to the ground and shouting racist comments at players are "football fans playing with extreme politics"? Are people entitled to moan at that?

If so, what would you do about that? Do you also see that as a dangerous game or fair game?

[redcard]

2 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Racists like the BNP and NF took ownership of the St George cross years back until people decided "**** that, if I want to support England at anything I will fly my flag proudly". Therefore using your logic we really ought to associate anyone and everyone who has an England flag attached to their car or bedroom window to these parties and condemn them as out and out racists even when they clearly state that they are flying their flag to support the England football team and not the BNP/NF. That is your logic isn't it? 

It took years for the St George cross to become accepted as a patriotic symbol after being used by far right groups, some associations still deem the cross as a symbol of racism. As with the kneeling, people with good reason would still associate it with the BLM. 

[Cov 77]

2 hours ago, shahanshahan said:

Before Bristol City's Championship fixture against Blackpool, a minority in attendance booed the players taking the knee. This statement is the Bristol City Supporters Club & Trust’s response, which has also been shared on our Facebook & Twitter pages: http://bristolcitysupporters.org/statement-taking-the-knee

Please feel free to share; and

Any booing was at the act not the players but was a tiny minority hardly noticeable, this as the thread about how long before fans want Pearson gone is complete  shit stirring which this forum delights in 

[italian dave]

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the statement, to suggest that it labels City fans as racist is just utter nonsense. 

It twice makes a very clear statement that it was a small minority who booed. It highlights the clapping in response.

[Big C]

29 minutes ago, redcard said:

So taking the knee has nothing to do with the American BLM movement??

Are you saying that every time someone kneels they are supporting BLM then? 

[TheReds]

It will forever be linked to BLM the Organisation by many people because it was the reason why it started, there is no getting away from that fact. There were literally full blocks covered with Black Lives Matter flags and messages (in most stadiums) when all of this started, Sky sticking banners up on the screen next to score at intervals during the match, that was all down to the George Floyd killing. Once people started to actually look into the Organisation many started distancing themselves away from it, including the Premier League/EFL/Football Clubs etc etc. They then changed the stance to "it's nothing to do with the Organisation". So regardless of what people say it means now, it will always be linked to the Organisation.

As for players doing it because they all care so much (majority obviously do), I find it odd that many of them simply couldn't be bothered to do it in the Euros to send a powerful message to their own countries. Sort of tells me they are doing it just to toe the line, rather than a personal free choice.

[Nogbad the Bad]

1 hour ago, slartibartfast said:

At a tangent here,  could be why Kalas is out of favour, he doesn't partake ?

Good point. I've wondered if there could be a link myself.

[Big C]

4 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

As far as = You do not know. You logically cannot and neither can the Supporters trust come to their conclusion unless they engage with supporters asking them their why.

Players knelt fans booed. ergo they booed the players? Clear enough?

[Numero Uno]

Just now, redcard said:

It took years for the St George cross to become accepted as a patriotic symbol after being used by far right groups, some associations still deem the cross as a symbol of racism. As with the kneeling, people with good reason would still associate it with the BLM. 

It took years but it had to start somewhere and that was with the people who were prepared to take the false accusations of racism on the chin and fly their flags. Only the most brain dead and ignorant would deem someone flying an England flag from their window and car during a sporting tournament as racist. So we now have a situation where footballers are taking the false accusations of marxism on the chin and kneeling in order that others can do it in the future without being subject to that accusation. Am I missing something here?