Pearson

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

£1m and yes.

the extra defender we brought in would have covered it then.....which really would you have preffered?

[Fordy62]

3 minutes ago, GodEmperor Palpatine said:

Not hard to follow, look how much stick his predecessors got for strings of bad results 

They were predecessors who (a) got the job (and bucket loads of cash) for being Lansdown’s friend and (b) got the job because he was a nice guy. 

We haven’t ever had a bloke with a track record like Nige’s, unless you disagree?

[AshtonGreat]

22 minutes ago, prankerd said:

The fact that players of championship quality cant defend crosses, the basic requirements of a player of that standard then i dont see what pearson is meant to do about it, its the coaching at city thats the problem just like the medical staff from last season

Have we still got Laurel and Hardy as coaches? 

[BTRFTG]

7 minutes ago, harrys said:

What did Boro pay for that lump from Wycombe who terrorised us last year, are you telling me that guy Smith at Rotherham who was a proper handful in the Championship last year and now in the third division is unaffordable? 

If you're intent on forcing Pearson out ask relevant questions rather than shouting generic negatives loudly.

Try:

Is Vyner really the best/only option we have at RB and why does Pearson pick him (perchance he is the only option we have irrespective of how lacking he may be)?

Was Atkinson's lack of authority in the air today a one-off, is it something for which Pearson has cause for concern &, if so, what's he going to do about it in training?

That type of constructive dialogue? You may find it informative.

[GodEmperor Palpatine]

Just now, Fordy62 said:

Do you think that Cotterill was afforded the same patience that LJ was over his tenure?

I only hope that NP gets the loyalty that LJ got, not the loyalty that Cotts got. Loyalty that Cotts was deserving of, and LJ wasn’t. 

Cotterill made a rod for his own back, he should've quit if he felt shafted by the board in the summer and let them deal with the wrath of the fans. His stock was high at that point and he could've walked into a decent job at the first opportunity but no, his ego got the better of him.

As for your beef with LJ, you just seem like a bitter crank who couldn't accept that overall LJ did a good job.

[MarcusX]

38 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said:

Sorry, that is a kop out, and Johnson said almost the exact same thing. If I went for a job, and sold myself to the boss at the interview, and then when I was appointed, said it will take me three years to look any good, I would be laughed out the building.

How do you know what was said in the interview?

[TomThumb84]

8 minutes ago, GodEmperor Palpatine said:

Not hard to follow, look how much stick his predecessors got for strings of bad results 

Have you won a prize to be tonights “oppose all rational thought with anything other than reasoned substance” poster? Honestly….

[Northern Red]

1 hour ago, Hampshire reds said:

sorry to be negative but he is not doing his job. take the second half of last season and 3 games this season the results and performances have been dreadful. if players are not brought in asap then relagation is on the cards.

Cretin.

[joe jordans teeth]

3 minutes ago, chinapig said:

But doesn't he lead the coaching? We have not improved at all at defending crosses since he came in and he signed one and re-signed the other of his 2 first choice centre backs.

At what point does he bear any responsibility for our most consistent weakness?

He’s not blameless but when you have the bag of shit older pros we have mixed with crap middle aged players mixed with having to play young uns then that is some awful mix

[nellie]

5 minutes ago, glos old boy said:

the extra defender we brought in would have covered it then.....which really would you have preffered?

Atkinson has good sell on value 

[GodEmperor Palpatine]

2 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

They were predecessors who (a) got the job (and bucket loads of cash) for being Lansdown’s friend and (b) got the job because he was a nice guy. 

We haven’t ever had a bloke with a track record like Nige’s, unless you disagree?

Seem to recall between Del and SO'D they had to halve the bloated wage budget so there's two who didn't get bucket loads of cash. 

Not everything revolves around Johnson, no matter how much you want it to. 

[maxjak]

There are still 2 weeks of the transfer window left, and it is only fair   for NP to be given time hopefully to utilise, that,    and possibly conjure up some much needed quality.  I am sure he is well aware of our shortcomings, so he has the benefit of the doubt until that window snaps shut?  However it is concerning that a former Central defender has not yet organised our defensive unit against conceding soft goals?   He has an international central defender at his disposal and a very experienced centre half in Baker, so it is paramount that he uses their qualities to tighten up our defence ? It is early days, and far to soon to be panicking.  But we most definitely are crying out for a specialist pacy right back, as Vyner is a weak link? 

[GodEmperor Palpatine]

1 minute ago, TomThumb84 said:

Have you won a prize to be tonights “oppose all rational thought with anything other than reasoned substance” poster? Honestly….

Oh burn... 

[The Coach]

1 minute ago, GodEmperor Palpatine said:

Cotterill made a rod for his own back, he should've quit if he felt shafted by the board in the summer and let them deal with the wrath of the fans. His stock was high at that point and he could've walked into a decent job at the first opportunity but no, his ego got the better of him.

As for your beef with LJ, you just seem like a bitter crank who couldn't accept that overall LJ did a good job.

Because overall, LJ didn’t do a good job. The source of funding, the amount of players we went through. Lead to a team who didn’t and still don’t know how to play football. Everything we see is of the result of Ashtons and Johnson’s time here. Lansdown is to blame. 
 

Your appreciation of Johnson is the same as the electric company turning off all your power in your home, then giving you some lit candles in return. 

[Fordy62]

3 minutes ago, GodEmperor Palpatine said:

Cotterill made a rod for his own back, he should've quit if he felt shafted by the board in the summer and let them deal with the wrath of the fans. His stock was high at that point and he could've walked into a decent job at the first opportunity but no, his ego got the better of him.

As for your beef with LJ, you just seem like a bitter crank who couldn't accept that overall LJ did a good job.

He did an average short term job considering the resources he was given. Resources that no one ever had before, or has ever had since. 

And now we’re paying for his and Ashton’s awful recruitment. 

[Fordy62]

4 minutes ago, GodEmperor Palpatine said:

Seem to recall between Del and SO'D they had to halve the bloated wage budget so there's two who didn't get bucket loads of cash. 

Not everything revolves around Johnson, no matter how much you want it to. 

Who has had bucket loads of cash on a scale comparable with LJ? Can you name anyone?

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

How fortunate we are to be able to blame Ashton for his awful recruitment of players.  Oddly enough though while Dean Holden was manager, the opposite was true.  In February the manager was held entirely responsible for the team’s failings, and the general consensus seemed to be that we had a very good squad that Holden had been unable to get the best out of.  How times change.  What it is it about Pearson that makes people think he can walk on water?  Where is the evidence?

[nellie]

1 minute ago, Fordy62 said:

Who has had bucket loads of cash on a scale comparable with LJ? Can you name anyone?

Come on don't post trick questions that's just not fair !

[GodEmperor Palpatine]

Just now, Fordy62 said:

He did an average short term job considering the resources he was given. Resources that no one ever had before, or has ever had since. 

And now we’re paying for his and Ashton’s awful recruitment. 

Yes in the context of the club, finishing 11th, 8th and being sacked when 12th with a League Cup semi-final is a short term average job  I get it, you hate the guy when he was manager

Most of the resources he had was on the back of the players he sold. You can say that signings after that were duds but lets not say that he was given an open chequebook throughout considering that Lansdown wanted to be a selling club rather than wasting millions as he did previous

[Fordy62]

1 minute ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

How fortunate we are to be able to blame Ashton for his awful recruitment of players.  Oddly enough though while Dean Holden was manager, the opposite was true.  In February the manager was held entirely responsible for the team’s failings, and the general consensus seemed to be that we had a very good squad that Holden had been unable to get the best out of.  How times change.  What it is it about Pearson that makes people think he can walk on water?  Where is the evidence?

His CV. He be at least deserves some respect for what he’s  achieved in the past doesn’t he?

[Herta]

20 minutes ago, TomThumb84 said:

I struggle to follow your thought process.

Reputation and previous successes are fundamental to any appointment.

Otherwise we would just appoint people at random, with no rationale or tangible reasons to point to, and said individual would have no experience to draw on alongside contacts and network as well as respect earned to work with across the environment that they are in.

Your statement with respect would be laughable would it not be for the fact that the club have already tried the above with Dean Holden.

 

I will simplify things for you. 

At what point will the fact we have been as shit under Pearson as we were under Holden start to piss people off? How long are you making excuses for him because of his reputation?

I stand by it - it’s been shit since he came here and he must start doing better sooner rather than later.

It’s bizarre how OTIB refuses to recognise it’s been a massive disappointment since he came here. 

 

 

 

 

[the1stknowle]

57 minutes ago, bites yer legs said:

Really? Blackpool pretty good? Seen better football up the downs look I ain’t no happy clapper but the last time we had an identity and any hope for the future was the Utd season but then Steve sold em all  

 

For me, Blackpool was best we have played in a year and, yeah, I thought we were decent for 80 minutes. Blackpool aren't this total gimme that some people seem to think they are. 

I don't want to dig in too much as we were definitely very bad for a lot of the match today and some worrying signs. But I still think it's chalk and cheese from the total footballing abomination that was the second half of last season. 

[Rob k]

1 minute ago, Herta said:

I will simplify things for you. 

At what point will the fact we have been as shit under Pearson as we were under Holden start to piss people off? How long are you making excuses for him because of his reputation?

I stand by it - it’s been shit since he came here and he must start doing better sooner rather than later.

It’s bizarre how OTIB refuses to recognise it’s been a massive disappointment since he came here. 

 

 

 

 

Depends what your about expectations of this season were.

I’m ok with 21st so as long as we stay up and we sort things behind the scenes i will take that this season.

 

 

[GodEmperor Palpatine]

 

1 minute ago, Herta said:

I will simplify things for you. 

At what point will the fact we have been as shit under Pearson as we were under Holden start to piss people off? How long are you making excuses for him because of his reputation?

I stand by it - it’s been shit since he came here and he must start doing better sooner rather than later.

It’s bizarre how OTIB refuses to recognise it’s been a massive disappointment since he came here. 

 

 

 

 

Because Pearson is a "name"...

[Fordy62]

1 minute ago, GodEmperor Palpatine said:

Yes in the context of the club, finishing 11th, 8th and being sacked when 12th with a League Cup semi-final is a short term average job  I get it, you hate the guy when he was manager

Most of the resources he had was on the back of the players he sold. You can say that signings after that were duds but lets not say that he was given an open chequebook throughout considering that Lansdown wanted to be a selling club rather than wasting millions as he did previous

Pretty confident that if you give anyone who’s ever managed the opportunity to sign 55 players (or whatever it was), any one of them will find a couple of success stories. And even then, looks great when you sell Webster for 25m, but actually all that does is make up for a single season in the uplift in wages that he caused… leaving it as an ongoing problem for the next man to deal with. What was it? 13m to 39m. Leave it with you Deano/Nige.

Stefan - ******* - Marinovic FFS!

 

[nellie]

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[Fordy62]

1 minute ago, GodEmperor Palpatine said:

 

Because Pearson is a "name"...

I’d rather have a ‘name’ than a ‘friend’ in charge of my club. 

[maxjak]

Good honest appraisal by Nige in his interview......you can see his frustration about the lack of quality.   The line up has had 2 league games to show that they are good enough to be picked, so there are most definitely 1, 2 or 3 who will be left out against Reading.  We have to sort out the right side and we need more aggression and nous up front....be interesting to see who is picked for the next game,,,,,,,,,,and potentially who will be pushed aside.   It's not great, but it is not yet terrible either?

  

[GodEmperor Palpatine]

Just now, Fordy62 said:

Pretty confident that if you give anyone who’s ever managed the opportunity to sign 55 players (or whatever it was), any one of them will find a couple of success stories. And even then, looks great when you sell Webster for 25m, but actually all that does is make up for a single season in the uplift in wages that he caused… leaving it as an ongoing problem for the next man to deal with. What was it? 13m to 39m. Leave it with you Deano/Nige.

Stefan - ******* - Marinovic FFS!

 

A couple of success stories...

Feel free to explain how he took us from yoyo L1 club to a top 12 Champ club.. Either LJ was a genius coach or he did a good job overall and you're just ******* delusional

[TomThumb84]

1 minute ago, Herta said:

I will simplify things for you. 

At what point will the fact we have been as shit under Pearson as we were under Holden start to piss people off? How long are you making excuses for him because of his reputation?

I stand by it - it’s been shit since he came here and he must start doing better sooner rather than later.

It’s bizarre how OTIB refuses to recognise it’s been a massive disappointment since he came here. 

 

 

 

 

Thank you for simplifying for me. Your initial statement is so much clearer now.

In answer(s) to all your questions just incase they were not rhetoric…

I am thoroughly pissed off at the results and current form

I am not making any excuses for him merely taking the job he has to do in context based on what he was left with.

It is because of his reputation that I am prepared to stand by him over a period of time because I believe his ability as a football manager and his past success and experience makes him the best choice to offer us a football team worthy of the name in the long-run ie over the 3 year contract he signed. I do not believe there is anyone out there better to support us through this transitional period. I would also argue that one league defeat into a new season, and then sacking Pearson (which is what you appear to be suggesting) would possibly represent the most knee-jerk reaction of all time.

Let me know if you need any of the above simplifying for you.