BBC points west and ITV west local news, hang your heads in shame

[Super]

7 hours ago, zippycar said:

Points West is now unwatchable, unless you care about Alpacas and any other minority interest.

As far as the BBC is concerned, anyone of my era and upbringing is now a dinosaur and totally irrelevant.
 

Really?

 

[Bristol Rob]

8 minutes ago, Abraham Romanovich said:

 

Out of interest what is the furthest distance  can anyone claim to have walked to a match.

 

 

Not walking to a match, I remember being escorted from an away game at Preston (I think it was, Sean Mccarthy did his back in celebrating a goal), plod had us on the march for what felt like hours after the game.

5 minutes ago, Super said:

Really?

 

Gonna suggest that isn't a recent photo.

[Super]

1 minute ago, Bristol Rob said:

Not walking to a match, I remember being escorted from an away game at Preston (I think it was, Sean Mccarthy did his back in celebrating a goal), plod had us on the march for what felt like hours after the game.

Gonna suggest that isn't a recent photo.

Is she looking a bit ropey these days?!

[exAtyeoMax]

14 minutes ago, Leveller said:

I think Points West is actually fine - especially as I appeared on it last week!

Ive never watched the ITV version and wouldn’t recognise their presenters.

 

Itv now covers most of the south west, down to Devon I think. I stopped watching it when it changed. I don’t really watch Points West either but it is more local for local people.

[Desso]

2 hours ago, Oh Louie louie said:

If you thought mark was miserable, what did you make of his co presenters style.

Russel osman, rob?

Dareisay, deadpan boring?

 

You are correct. I worked at Ashton Gate when he was manager. He was big-headed and miserable.

[archie andrews]

13 minutes ago, Super said:

Is she looking a bit ropey these days?!

She can soap my rope anytime... 

[Bristol Rob]

15 minutes ago, Super said:

Is she looking a bit ropey these days?!

No idea!

But I would guess that like all of us, time has aged her.

[City oz]

2 minutes ago, archie andrews said:

She can soap my rope anytime... 

Me too. Red shirt instead of the blue one would help a bit more though. 

Just watched Kate Burley on your TV in OZ so would be your morning show. She used to have that effect on me as well. Not know though

[City oz]

9 minutes ago, archie andrews said:

She can soap my rope anytime... 

Jane was my FAVOURITE 

[phantom]

15 hours ago, Never to the dark side said:

Why no goal action from ANY of tuesday nights games?

Did think it amusing that ITV West ran the second part of a special feature by Kylie Pentelow about locks on a canal, that had been recorded weeks before

Guess they showed the goals the previous night and lunchtime bulletins

I've contacted Cari Davies to see if there was a reason

[Desso]

3 hours ago, IAmNick said:

For some context I'm pretty sure NTTDS is a sky shareholder or something, and ages ago used to post almost daily criticism of "OUR PUBLIC BROADCASTER" on here.

While he sometimes has a point he also has a huge agenda and has for a long time.

Can you imagine his bedroom? Piles of world wide railway timetables, tv guides, sky meeting agendas and reports piled floor to ceiling. All those video tapes must take up a lot of space as well. Ah well, it takes all sorts.

 

[phantom]

7 minutes ago, phantom said:

Did think it amusing that ITV West ran the second part of a special feature by Kylie Pentelow about locks on a canal, that had been recorded weeks before

Guess they showed the goals the previous night and lunchtime bulletins

I've contacted Cari Davies to see if there was a reason

HI @Never to the dark side I had a reply from Cari (ITV West sports editor), she was on leave yesterday and hadn't realised that the football wasn't covered.

She will raise it when in work next

[Merrick's Marvels]

1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

The BBC seems to see it's raison d'etre as being to lecture the public and actively attempt to indoctrinate us to it's way of thinking on it's numerous pet subjects.

If you resist then the repetitive forcing of it's opinions ('news)' just becomes a constant irritant.

And all the other news outlets don't "force their opinions" on you ???

The BBC's remit is to inform, educate and entertain. Personally, I think they do a decent job of that given news, politics, current affairs has become an increasingly partisan, hostile, frankly toxic sphere of public life. 

In a world awash with fake news - and look how that's polluting democracies across the world - the BBC are one of the few institutions left that can be relied upon to be as impartial as possible.

And before anyone comes out with the usual "they're a bunch of lefties" bollocks - I give you the political editor of BBC News, Laura Kuenssberg - a Tory; the previous political editor of BBC News? Nick Robinson, now a presenter on the BBC's flagship radio news programme - also a Tory. How about John Humphries - a welsh Tory. Andrew Neil, for years employed by the BBC to host politics shows - as right wing as they come, probably not even a Tory. Anyone seen Michael Portillo these days???? I could go on and on.

Somehow ITV never gets tarred with the same brush. Yes the BBC employ their share of liberal luvvies but this is balanced by a share of right wing reactionaries. And that's what the BBC attempts - balance. That's it's raison d'etre. Doesn't always get it right, but that's what it tries to be - balanced.

Whereas the majority of other outlets these days are the opposite - unbalanced. Pun intended. GB News?? Good god, a feeble attempt to copycat Fox News in America and look how broadcasters like that have poisoned political discourse in America. Result? Donald Trump. 

As for NTTDS point about people who don't want to rely on computers. The world has moved on, it's fair enough if you don't want to move with it, no problem - it's OK to pretend it's still the 1970s. But, yes, you will have to wait 24 hours to see the goals on a television, just like.... the 1970s! It was a good time for the City, after all. 

[Abraham Romanovich]

2 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

 I give you the political editor of BBC News, Laura Kuenssberg - a Tory;

How  have you arrived at that conclusion?

Her remit is to remain neutral and she goes to great lengths never to disclose her politics.

As an aside my brother in law can't stand her as she's too left wing .

Just interested to know what makes you think she's a Tory

[TV Tom]

13 hours ago, Hampshire Red said:

Come on NTTDS, you had a great view last night!

Anyway who watches teh BBC for anything; 'orrible organisation with bent news views and shocking management. For the goals YouTube usually has them first if you want to catch-up. Last nights were excellent but i still keep wondering if Massengo should have taken a hit for the team and fouled they guy he was always behind. At the time i was shouting "No! No! he wont scored against Bents from there".In hindsight a shoulder block obstruction may have been the best thing - Italy would have done that

Strange take of the BBC, sort of thing you’d read in the Daily Mail !!!

[Henry]

4 hours ago, IAmNick said:

For some context I'm pretty sure NTTDS is a sky shareholder or something, and ages ago used to post almost daily criticism of "OUR PUBLIC BROADCASTER" on here.

While he sometimes has a point he also has a huge agenda and has for a long time.

I’ve never met the chap, but I don’t think you can accuse him on having an agenda in the negative sense. He generally is passionate about helping football fans.

As for his Sky ‘agenda’ - this is the man who made it into the national press for attending a Sky AGM in a City shirt asking for more of our games to be shown live on Sky.

[exAtyeoMax]

11 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

And all the other news outlets don't "force their opinions" on you ???

The BBC's remit is to inform, educate and entertain. Personally, I think they do a decent job of that in an increasingly partisan, hostile, frankly toxic sphere of public life. 

In a world awash with fake news - and look how that's polluting democracies across the world - the BBC are one of the few institutions left that can be relied upon to be as impartial as possible.

And before anyone comes out with the usual "they're a bunch of lefties" bollocks - I give you the political editor of BBC News, Laura Kuenssberg - a Tory; the previous political editor of BBC News? Nick Robinson, now a presenter on the BBC's flagship radio news programme - also a Tory. How about John Humphries - a welsh Tory. Andrew Neil, for years employed by the BBC to host politics shows - as right wing as they come, probably not even a Tory. Anyone seen Michael Portillo these days???? I could go on and on.

Of course ITV never get tarred with the same brush. Yes the BBC employ their share of  liberal luvvies but this is balanced by a share of right wing reactionaries. And that's what the BBC attempts - balance. That's it's raison d'etre. Doesn't always get it right, but that's what it tries to be - balanced.

Whereas the majority of other outlets these days are the opposite - unbalanced. Pun intended. GB News?? Good god, a feeble attempt to copycat Fox News in America and look how broadcasters like that have poisoned political discourse in America. Result? Donald Trump. 

As for NTTDS point about people who don't want to rely on computers. The world has moved on, it's fair enough if you don't want to move with it, no problem - it's OK to pretend it's still the 1970s. But, yes, you will have to wait 24 hours to see the goals on a television, just like.... the 1970s! It was a good time for the City, after all. 

The BBC are supposed to be impartial. Appointing left wing and right wing political commentators isn’t being impartial as they just impart their own agenda on the licensee. I don’t think many if any news channel is fit for purpose anymore due to their ownership but the BBC should be, they have lost a lot of credibility (in my eyes) over the last decade or so, they really need to up their game.
I noticed the BBC were not impartial quite recently regarding a women’s rights issue. I’m not going to go into details as I don’t want an argument on here but it was picked up by many people on Twitter. 

[Robbored]

4 minutes ago, Henry said:

I’ve never met the chap, but I don’t think you can accuse him on having an agenda in the negative sense. He generally is passionate about helping football fans.

Big Jon is one the nicest guys you’ll ever meet. He’s a top bloke but like many of us he gets ‘bees in his bonnet’ about particular issues and his is football coverage on TV per se - not just the local BBC and ITV bulletins.

He’s had this particular ‘beef’ for as long as I’ve known him.

[IAmNick]

2 hours ago, exAtyeoMax said:

The BBC are supposed to be impartial. Appointing left wing and right wing political commentators isn’t being impartial as they just impart their own agenda on the licensee. I don’t think many if any news channel is fit for purpose anymore due to their ownership but the BBC should be, they have lost a lot of credibility (in my eyes) over the last decade or so, they really need to up their game.
I noticed the BBC were not impartial quite recently regarding a women’s rights issue. I’m not going to go into details as I don’t want an argument on here but it was picked up by many people on Twitter. 

If you want people who can accurately report on and contextualise political stories though you need people who understand a lot about politics. If you want one of them, they're naturally going to have their own opinions. I think you're kind of expecting the impossible here - I think they do a decent job overall.

2 hours ago, Henry said:

I’ve never met the chap, but I don’t think you can accuse him on having an agenda in the negative sense. He generally is passionate about helping football fans.

As for his Sky ‘agenda’ - this is the man who made it into the national press for attending a Sky AGM in a City shirt asking for more of our games to be shown live on Sky.

He does have a negative view of the BBC - whether he's right or not is another question!

I'm sure he's a lovely guy, it wasn't meant to be a negative comment about him generally/personally.

2 hours ago, Abraham Romanovich said:

How  have you arrived at that conclusion?

Her remit is to remain neutral and she goes to great lengths never to disclose her politics.

As an aside my brother in law can't stand her as she's too left wing .

Just interested to know what makes you think she's a Tory

Check out the "bias allegations" section on her wiki - it's longer than the actual section on her working at the BBC!

[phantom]

2 hours ago, Robbored said:

Big Jon is one the nicest guys you’ll ever meet. He’s a top bloke but like many of us he gets ‘bees in his bonnet’ about particular issues and his is football coverage on TV per se - not just the local BBC and ITV bulletins.

He’s had this particular ‘beef’ for as long as I’ve known him.

Can only echo this, I know Jon not only from football but also from his days of working on the railway when I was commuting.

Always has time for a chat whenever and wherever I see him, I have got a lot of time for one of the genuinely nicest blokes I have ever met

[Paulton Red]

To be honest, when points west or htv news do show any sport coverage they do it so badly I’d rather they didn’t bother

[exAtyeoMax]

10 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

If you want people who can accurately report on and contextualise political stories though you need people who understand a lot about politics. If you want one of them, they're naturally going to have their own opinions. I think you're kind of expecting the impossible here - I think they do a decent job overall.

You can know a lot about politics without sharing your opinion. News media these days seem to be about opinion instead of just fact. 

[Abraham Romanovich]

6 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

If you want people who can accurately report on and contextualise political stories though you need people who understand a lot about politics. If you want one of them, they're naturally going to have their own opinions. I think you're kind of expecting the impossible here - I think they do a decent job overall.

He does have a negative view of the BBC - whether he's right or not is another question!

I'm sure he's a lovely guy, it wasn't meant to be a negative comment about him generally/personally.

Check out the "bias allegations" section on her wiki - it's longer than the actual section on her working at the BBC!

Just read the bias allegations in wiki against her :-

"accused Kuenssberg of being biased against the Labour Party and its leader Jeremy Corbyn"

" overly interrupted Johnson and was displaying bias against the government."

She seems to me to do a fairly decent job if she has upset both Labour and the Conservatives .*

 

*Not quite sure how we ended up here when discussing the lack of  football highlights on the local news

[IAmNick]

3 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

You can know a lot about politics without sharing your opinion. News media these days seem to be about opinion instead of just fact. 

Of course, but let's be honest (and I include myself here) - when people say "impartial" they usually really mean "I agree with it".

I think it's good to read a healthy amount of opinion as well as pure factual reporting personally.

[Red-Robbo]

3 hours ago, Abraham Romanovich said:

How  have you arrived at that conclusion?

Her remit is to remain neutral and she goes to great lengths never to disclose her politics.

As an aside my brother in law can't stand her as she's too left wing .

Just interested to know what makes you think she's a Tory

 

She was certainly a Conservative activist while at Edinburgh University, which raises questions about her later partiality. 

She is a pleasant person to work with and diligent. 

My problem with BBC Politics and Current Affairs comes not so much on what they say, but what they omit to say.

Re: Points West. Yes, no excuse why they shouldn't show the goals. Its football coverage is hit and miss at the best of times, a reflection I believe, of the lack of interest in the game from the programme editor.