Waconda Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 After our success last night West Brom have just scored from one. Have always thought this tactic is under used, possibly down to football "snobbery", would be interesting to see some stats on how successful they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 This is the guy you want https://thomasgronnemark.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 It’s basically 5 more free crosses per match. Have to utilise it more moving forward. That said, the WBA guy throwing those in-swingers in from the right is different gravy to what we were doing last night, horrible throws to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 The main advantage of a long throw over a corner or free kick is the trajectory. The flight of the ball from a throw is different to that of a kick. This often unsettles teams who cope well with the usual high ball into the penalty area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 20 minutes ago, Davefevs said: This is the guy you want https://thomasgronnemark.com/ That's the guy we've been missing for two years or more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 Sheffield United look devoid of any confidence. Back to back relegations?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampshire Red Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 No but they may regret changes to their manager. They will be top 6, that's for sure; just look at their squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 Sheff Utd look awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted August 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Lew-T said: Sheff Utd look awful. Remind me of us at the end of last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 Probably offside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted August 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 And another goal from a long throw ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 What was Readings Manager on about last night? He said that "We were preparing for that (Set plays) but, obviously, City had a little bit of the 'luck' factor with their first goal - the rebound from the throw-in goes towards their player. It was a deliberate flick on by Martin wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 Keith Andrew’s sobbing at full time is pleasing. Biased ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 We've actually gone up 2 places tonight without playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC_95 Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 I get the feeling this season is going to be bizarre from start to finish - freak results, a manager merry go round, relegation and promotion being decided on the final day, and generally bad quality football from a lot of teams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 1 hour ago, 1960maaan said: That's the guy we've been missing for two years or more I did an analysis of our throwins v Millwall last season, and Thomas replied to my tweet and gave me some links to some of his analysis stuff for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 Rory Delap’s throws were better than corners, indeed it wasn’t unheard of for the opposition to prevent the ball going for a throw by kicking it out for a corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityfan1958 Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 Going to show my age now. Seem to remember Ian Hutchinson of Chelsea winning an FA with a long throw onto the head of David Webb, 1970 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 I have no idea how effective long throw-ins are statistically, but I love it when we do them. It’s one of those things that gets the crowd going, like a crunching tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 55 minutes ago, cityfan1958 said: Going to show my age now. Seem to remember Ian Hutchinson of Chelsea winning an FA with a long throw onto the head of David Webb, 1970 ? Hutchinson was certainly the first long throw specialist that I can remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Yaga Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 Sheffield United scored the lowest amount of goals in a Premier league season for 13 years since that notorious Derby side, unless they bring in a quality striker they have no chance of being in the play off race. They remind me of the Huddersfield team of a few years ago in that they were very hard working and so long as they keep that I can't see them anywhere near going down either. As for West Brom it's early days but I like the look of them (have only watched brief highlights), scoring a lot of goals from set pieces and have some players who can play a bit too, I am thinking top 2 for them but the first 3 games isn't enough to judge as we found out ourselves last season. As for the long throws it was interesting that NP said it wasn't something they worked on but Kalas had just decided to do it. Plenty of physical sides in the division this season who City have generally performed poorly against in previous seasons so there should be no football snobbery and they should be able to mix things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 4 hours ago, VT05763 said: After our success last night West Brom have just scored from one. Have always thought this tactic is under used, possibly down to football "snobbery", would be interesting to see some stats on how successful they are. The main reason long throws are not used are how ineffecient they are. Then add teams moving away from tall centre fowards up top for mobilty. The most efficient throw in requires a differing technique that most players cannot achieve with a release of close to twenty five degrees. The greater the angle of release and thirty degress is a norm the less time the ball travels closer to horizontal and its trajectory is slower. Rory Delaps throw was released at twenty degrees and he put back spin on the ball .. It was freakish. Practicing a long throw is difficult. Players tire easily and there is an increased risk of injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 2 hours ago, cityfan1958 said: Going to show my age now. Seem to remember Ian Hutchinson of Chelsea winning an FA with a long throw onto the head of David Webb, 1970 ? 1 hour ago, Leveller said: Hutchinson was certainly the first long throw specialist that I can remember. Indeed, it was. The FA Cup Final replay between Leeds and Chelsea at Old Trafford and, as you say, David Webb scored the goal. A truly epic match, which I remember well as I wanted Leeds to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 6 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said: Indeed, it was. The FA Cup Final replay between Leeds and Chelsea at Old Trafford and, as you say, David Webb scored the goal. A truly epic match, which I remember well as I wanted Leeds to win. Me too! Eddie Gray ran rings round Chelsea in the first match, which Leeds ought to have won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 8 hours ago, Baba Yaga said: Sheffield United scored the lowest amount of goals in a Premier league season for 13 years since that notorious Derby side, unless they bring in a quality striker they have no chance of being in the play off race. They remind me of the Huddersfield team of a few years ago in that they were very hard working and so long as they keep that I can't see them anywhere near going down either. As for West Brom it's early days but I like the look of them (have only watched brief highlights), scoring a lot of goals from set pieces and have some players who can play a bit too, I am thinking top 2 for them but the first 3 games isn't enough to judge as we found out ourselves last season. As for the long throws it was interesting that NP said it wasn't something they worked on but Kalas had just decided to do it. Plenty of physical sides in the division this season who City have generally performed poorly against in previous seasons so there should be no football snobbery and they should be able to mix things up. At some point, someone is gonna find a way to play against an Ismael side. They play so high, it’s tempting to keep trying to land it in behind them….but often results in the ball being swept up by the keeper, so something else is needed. It’s Barnsley but with better quality players. They play it a bit like rugby, playing for territory, once in the final third it’s about hitting the box. It’s almost genius. 7 hours ago, Cowshed said: The main reason long throws are not used are how ineffecient they are. Then add teams moving away from tall centre fowards up top for mobilty. The most efficient throw in requires a differing technique that most players cannot achieve with a release of close to twenty five degrees. The greater the angle of release and thirty degress is a norm the less time the ball travels closer to horizontal and its trajectory is slower. Rory Delaps throw was released at twenty degrees and he put back spin on the ball .. It was freakish. Practicing a long throw is difficult. Players tire easily and there is an increased risk of injury. Are you old enough to remember the arcade game decathlon? Bit like holding the button down long enough but not too long on the javelin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 11 hours ago, Hampshire Red said: No but they may regret changes to their manager. They will be top 6, that's for sure; just look at their squad It's not for sure is it? They had a worse season than anyone last year and got rid of the manager who made most of their players' careers. New manager will probably sort them out in time but the owners may get inpatient and the players need to learn a totally different way to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 19 minutes ago, The Bard said: It's not for sure is it? They had a worse season than anyone last year and got rid of the manager who made most of their players' careers. New manager will probably sort them out in time but the owners may get inpatient and the players need to learn a totally different way to play. Last night they looked like they had 1 or 2 still thinking “I’m a PL player I shouldn’t be here”. Weed those out, and we might see a better team start to build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 12 hours ago, VT05763 said: After our success last night West Brom have just scored from one. Have always thought this tactic is under used, possibly down to football "snobbery", would be interesting to see some stats on how successful they are. I've always liked long throws. As mentioned above, it's a bit of a novelty (like a crunching tackle) that gets the crowd going. I wonder whether the reason they aren't utilised that often is due to the potential for counter attacking. In a corner situation - generally speaking you will have most of the defending team in the box with 1 or 2 in a position to counter attack. In turn there'd usually be at least 2 of the attacking team in a defensive position to defend against counter attacks. For a throw in, unless it's coming from a team like the Stoke sides Delap was part of, the teams will be in a more natural shape with players in more natural positions. I wonder whether this is the reason as the attacking team may leave themselves open to the counter attack due to this. No idea on the stats around this by the way, just thinking out loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 50 minutes ago, Davefevs said: At some point, someone is gonna find a way to play against an Ismael side. They play so high, it’s tempting to keep trying to land it in behind them….but often results in the ball being swept up by the keeper, so something else is needed. It’s Barnsley but with better quality players. They play it a bit like rugby, playing for territory, once in the final third it’s about hitting the box. It’s almost genius. Dave the way to beat the high press is balls in behind and pace up front. It’s not an infallible system as has been proven against other successful teams who employ similar tactics. However good the defenders and sweeper-keeper, the last thing they want to play against is a Jamie Vardy-type player, where they have to turn to chase the ball. If the attacker wins the race, he gets a 1-on-1 with the goalkeeper and a reasonable chance of scoring. If it doesn’t force the defence and the whole team deeper, they risk conceding more goals. And no form of high press will counteract a good long throw! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 54 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Are you old enough to remember the arcade game decathlon? Bit like holding the button down long enough but not too long on the javelin. I do. It may be a coincidence but as a youth Rory Delap played which sport? This is not a coincidence. The longest, flattest, fastest keeper throw is the javelin technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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