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Yep, manager when I first started supporting City too .…and then a decade later spent 4 years with his son doing a degree, mostly in alcohol studies with a bit of football playing specialism. 

You wouldn’t have wanted to mix it with him either. A Sag, due to City’s treatment of his father from what I recall.

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2 hours ago, Ronnie said:

Yes a Sgt/Major type man who would take no messing about, but had a heart of gold and looked after those that did their bit in training and on match days.

Apparently, when he took over from Tommy Doherty , (it was a divided dressing room), he marched them all out to G S Park, got them all behind the toilets and offered every single one of them "out"..........there were no takers !

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School holidays used to go down and watch the players train in Greville Smyth park.  iIRC lots of PE and very little ball work.  Used to hang around the Robins cafe for autographs and watch the players tuck into fry ups and mugs of tea.  

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1 minute ago, slartibartfast said:

Yes, absolutely....................we don't play in red shorts anymore !

Yeah that was my introduction ,City in all red midfielders like Jonny Quigley,Bobby Kellard Chris Crowe and of coarse the likes of Parr Low and Danny Bartley running down the wing.

Those early 70s was a struggle,a 1-0 win on a Tuesday night was a bonus but Fred keeping us in the division set it up for Dicks to have a go and see us through.

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13 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

Apparently, when he took over from Tommy Doherty , (it was a divided dressing room), he marched them all out to G S Park, got them all behind the toilets and offered every single one of them "out"..........there were no takers !

Peter. Senior moment Slarti? 😉

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1 hour ago, slartibartfast said:

Apparently, when he took over from Tommy Doherty , (it was a divided dressing room), he marched them all out to G S Park, got them all behind the toilets and offered every single one of them "out"..........there were no takers !

Doherty brought in a few Irish players and then managed to divide the dressing room along sectarian lines. I remember my dad saying he took out an ad in the Evening Post stating his religious persuasion, I can't remember which he was though.

Fred was Manager when I first used to go, 65/66, I am surprised to hear that his son feels he was badly treated, he had a good run and it was not Dolmans style to part with people on bad terms.

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1 hour ago, slartibartfast said:

Apparently, when he took over from Tommy  PETER Doherty , (it was a divided dressing room), he marched them all out to G S Park, got them all behind the toilets and offered every single one of them "out"..........there were no takers !

You got the wrong one. Peter was an Irish international and came from Doncaster Rovers. Tommy was a Jock.

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Fred Ford was a very good manager and a very good person.

Once lent me 5 shillings at Walsall as I'd lost my cash.

Travelled on trains to away matches a few times with him and he was always willing to chat with us boys.

First time all night from TM (not Parson St) to Manchester and he told us to go to Old Trafford and Maine Road before we went on to Bury where City were playing. We got a good welcome at both and he also got comps for the ten of us at Bury. Lost 1-0 but really memorable day out.

Then on train to London going on to Southend on a Monday night. I had a weeks holiday and he said go to Spurs and get a ticket for European Cup tie against Gornik of Poland on the Wednesday. Got to ticket office, wearing my red and white scarf, only to be told that it was a sell out. Guy in the office asked why Red/White and I explained who I supported and who told me to buy a ticket. Instantly a complimentary ticket appeared and I was told to deliver it to Ford but if I didn't see him, I could use it. Spurs first home match in European Cup and they won 8-1. Absolutely brilliant football. We lost 1-0 at Southend!

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43 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Doherty brought in a few Irish players and then managed to divide the dressing room along sectarian lines. I remember my dad saying he took out an ad in the Evening Post stating his religious persuasion, I can't remember which he was though.

Fred was Manager when I first used to go, 65/66, I am surprised to hear that his son feels he was badly treated, he had a good run and it was not Dolmans style to part with people on bad terms.

Not quite true about sectarianism, as far as I know, although it may have had a bearing.

In those days players only had a one year contract with summer wages a £ or two lower than in season. But any City player from 1955 promotion team, hadbeen promised no wages reduction in summer. Doherty tried to change this but John Atyeo led a players delegation to Harry D and Harry instructed Doherty to fulfil his promise. That was the major cause of the dressing room split which ended with relegation in 1960

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11 hours ago, stephenkibby. said:

Yeah that was my introduction ,City in all red midfielders like Jonny Quigley,Bobby Kellard Chris Crowe and of coarse the likes of Parr Low and Danny Bartley running down the wing.

Those early 70s was a struggle,a 1-0 win on a Tuesday night was a bonus but Fred keeping us in the division set it up for Dicks to have a go and see us through.

My first city boss too. Grew up overlooking Muller Rd rec and Brian Clark trained the local amateur teams and let me join in which was awesome at 6 or 7 years old. Hence city supporter not gas as everyone else in school was  .Had the pleasure of playing against my hero Chris crowe when he dropped into local football. Bobby Kellard was small but legs like tree trunks and had a shot on him .

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13 hours ago, stephenkibby. said:

Yeah that was my introduction ,City in all red midfielders like Jonny Quigley,Bobby Kellard Chris Crowe and of coarse the likes of Parr Low and Danny Bartley running down the wing.

Those early 70s was a struggle,a 1-0 win on a Tuesday night was a bonus but Fred keeping us in the division set it up for Dicks to have a go and see us through.

Don't forget Lou Peters,chugging up and down the left wing (top scorer with 11 in 66-67)

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2 hours ago, slartibartfast said:

Don't forget Lou Peters,chugging up and down the left wing (top scorer with 11 in 66-67)

Lou didn't exactly chug if iirc. Lightning quick but no sense of direction. Had to keep the gates closed otherwise he would be off across G. S Park

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16 hours ago, stephenkibby. said:

Yeah that was my introduction ,City in all red midfielders like Jonny Quigley,Bobby Kellard Chris Crowe and of coarse the likes of Parr Low and Danny Bartley running down the wing.

Those early 70s was a struggle,a 1-0 win on a Tuesday night was a bonus but Fred keeping us in the division set it up for Dicks to have a go and see us through.

Could do with some midfielders with the determination, tenacity and ball winning skills of Quigley and Kellard right now. Also someone with the silky skills of Chris Crowe on the right. Iirc he once took Alex Munro of the Gas to the cleaners so often in a match at AG that Munro broke his leg with yet another flying tackle in an a final attempt to dispossess Chris.

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He was the gaffer when I started watching the City, we’ve had 30 since FF!

Nigel Pearson 24 Feb, 2021 Present
Dean Holden 05 Jul, 2020 24 Feb, 2021
Lee Johnson 07 Feb, 2016 05 Jul, 2020
John Pemberton 14 Jan, 2015 07 Feb, 2016
Steve Cotterill 03 Dec, 2013 14 Jan, 2015
Sean O'Driscoll 14 Jan, 2013 28 Nov, 2013
Derek McInnes 19 Oct, 2011 13 Jan, 2013
Keith Millen 12 Aug, 2010 03 Oct, 2011
Steve Coppell 11 May, 2010 12 Aug, 2010
Keith Millen 18 Mar, 2010 11 May, 2010
Gary Johnson 26 Sep, 2005 18 Mar, 2010
Keith Millen 11 Sep, 2005 26 Sep, 2005
Brian Tinnion 05 Jun, 2004 11 Sep, 2005
Danny Wilson 27 Jun, 2000 05 Jun, 2004
Leroy Rosenior 14 Jan, 2000 27 Jun, 2000
Tony Fawthrop 14 Jan, 2000 27 Jun, 2000
David Burnside 14 Jan, 2000 27 Jun, 2000
Tony Pulis 05 Jul, 1999 14 Jan, 2000
Benny Lennartsson 28 Oct, 1998 05 Jul, 1999
John Ward 27 Mar, 1997 28 Oct, 1998
Gerry Sweeney 25 Mar, 1997 27 Mar, 1997
Joe Jordan 15 Nov, 1994 24 Mar, 1997
Russell Osman 21 Jan, 1993 14 Nov, 1994
Denis Smith 09 Mar, 1992 21 Feb, 1993
Jimmy Lumsden 08 Oct, 1990 24 Feb, 1992
Joe Jordan 16 Mar, 1988 01 Sep, 1990
Terry Cooper 20 May, 1982 16 Mar, 1988
Roy Hodgson 03 Jan, 1982 30 Apr, 1982
Bobby Houghton 01 Oct, 1980 03 Jan, 1982
Alan Dicks 01 Oct, 1967 30 Sep, 1980
Fred Ford 01 Jul, 1960 30 Sep, 1967
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39 minutes ago, Jerseybean said:

He was the gaffer when I started watching the City, we’ve had 30 since FF!

 

Alan D was manager for thirteen years. We then had seven in the next 14 years.

I've read about Fred Ford in peter Godsiff's history of City. After dismissing Fred, Harry Dolan wanted Frank O'Farrell, then Torquay's manager, to take over. Frank turned us down as he was a friend of Fred Ford. Not long afterwards, Man U appointed Frank as their manager.

When City won promotion in 1965, the players came out to celebrate after the game, but Fred didn't come out. His reasoning being that it was the players, not him who had won the promotion.

 

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3 hours ago, Red Moseley said:

Could do with some midfielders with the determination, tenacity and ball winning skills of Quigley and Kellard right now. Also someone with the silky skills of Chris Crowe on the right. Iirc he once took Alex Munro of the Gas to the cleaners so often in a match at AG that Munro broke his leg with yet another flying tackle in an a final attempt to dispossess Chris.

I was there and the sound as he collided with the ringside seats was horrible. He had been trying all night to send Crowe half way up the Enclosure terracing.

Bad injury, would not normally wish it on anyone but in this case, the "biter got well and truly bitten".

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1 hour ago, Jerseybean said:

He was the gaffer when I started watching the City, we’ve had 30 since FF!

Nigel Pearson 24 Feb, 2021 Present
Dean Holden 05 Jul, 2020 24 Feb, 2021
Lee Johnson 07 Feb, 2016 05 Jul, 2020
John Pemberton 14 Jan, 2015 07 Feb, 2016
Steve Cotterill 03 Dec, 2013 14 Jan, 2015
Sean O'Driscoll 14 Jan, 2013 28 Nov, 2013
Derek McInnes 19 Oct, 2011 13 Jan, 2013
Keith Millen 12 Aug, 2010 03 Oct, 2011
Steve Coppell 11 May, 2010 12 Aug, 2010
Keith Millen 18 Mar, 2010 11 May, 2010
Gary Johnson 26 Sep, 2005 18 Mar, 2010
Keith Millen 11 Sep, 2005 26 Sep, 2005
Brian Tinnion 05 Jun, 2004 11 Sep, 2005
Danny Wilson 27 Jun, 2000 05 Jun, 2004
Leroy Rosenior 14 Jan, 2000 27 Jun, 2000
Tony Fawthrop 14 Jan, 2000 27 Jun, 2000
David Burnside 14 Jan, 2000 27 Jun, 2000
Tony Pulis 05 Jul, 1999 14 Jan, 2000
Benny Lennartsson 28 Oct, 1998 05 Jul, 1999
John Ward 27 Mar, 1997 28 Oct, 1998
Gerry Sweeney 25 Mar, 1997 27 Mar, 1997
Joe Jordan 15 Nov, 1994 24 Mar, 1997
Russell Osman 21 Jan, 1993 14 Nov, 1994
Denis Smith 09 Mar, 1992 21 Feb, 1993
Jimmy Lumsden 08 Oct, 1990 24 Feb, 1992
Joe Jordan 16 Mar, 1988 01 Sep, 1990
Terry Cooper 20 May, 1982 16 Mar, 1988
Roy Hodgson 03 Jan, 1982 30 Apr, 1982
Bobby Houghton 01 Oct, 1980 03 Jan, 1982
Alan Dicks 01 Oct, 1967 30 Sep, 1980
Fred Ford 01 Jul, 1960 30 Sep, 1967

Yet the first thirty years of watching City there were only four.

Pat Beasley, Doherty, Ford and Dicks

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