GrahamC Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 19 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yep, but not sure he’s guaranteed better than what we have. He’s one to bring in and although 25, one to gradually bring-on. He’s got that bit of a pest about him too. Could definitely afford that type of deal. Totally, just thinking if that is what we have to spend then he bridges the gap between our 20 year olds with minimal league experience (Conway, Bell) & 30 somethings Martin & Weimann. Also, he is young enough to still improve but certainly no guarantee that he improves us, as all his football (bar a few games for NI) has been at L1 or below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 Is his contract up next summer ? If so this makes more sense than it initially looks. Expecting a bad reaction from the fan base though as they won’t look at the bigger picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 31 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said: If he's on reportedly between 12-15k and we were to offload Wells at his reported 25k then thats a huge amount to play with even if we didn't use half of it. Apparently Wells is on more than that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 I'll keep on saying it- Football Manager and FIFA have so much to answer for. People play them and think they know how football clubs work when really they haven't got the slightest clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: Well I'm sorry, I normally like you posts and agree with a lot that you say, but you are in danger of starting to talk about players in the same way as some others on here, i.e. like they are in a box that arrives from Amazon. There is a lot more to it than that. I know Matt Parson's definitely does his bit around players, as I have first hand knowledge of the sort ofbthings he does here in Portishead. The thing surprises me most is how little help they seem to get from their agents when it comes to settling in an area. Being a professional footballer is one big sacrifice I’m afraid. Outside of the top tiers the rewards aren’t great and the career is short. Day to day life is mundane. I’m not treating him like an Amazon parcel, far from it, hence why I added Matt Parsons role into the discussion, and you’ve now added the role of his agent. Hence why I added the bit about his partner. There’s more to it than playing football….but mental health excluded (because it’s not an area I know tonnes about) he appears to love playing for Hungary, but has never seemed as passionate for us, either on the pitch or when interviewed. Its just how I see it in this scenario. It’s best he leaves….it leaves a financial cost (if it really is a free) that makes recruiting what this squad needs (in Nige’s eyes) more difficult. It seems like City are trying to work a deal that helps the player….rather than looking at playing hardball. I’m a City fan, I want what’s best for the club, players do come and go, that’s the reality, some of whom you have great affinity for, some you don’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 29 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Maybe, but Its the life of a footballer I’m afraid, he intimated in an interview pre-Covid (in season one here) he found it difficult to settle. In fairness I believe he did say he was gonna try and move his partner over that first summer, but Covid hit, but that slightly contradicts that he might’ve also tried to leave that summer too. Of course the other side is - how did club help him settle? Now have Matt Parsons as player liaison, how has that worked? ”Its a mess” is really my reaction to a player we bought for £2.25m on a 3 year contract with 40 Hungary caps looking like he’s leaving us 2 years in after a successful Euros on a free transfer, with us just avoiding the cost of 10 months wages as all we have to show for it. Better than nothing, but doesn’t help that much in the master plan of trying to bring a striker in. This seems very much like the City of old. I thought we'd moved away from this sort of shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dredd Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 A free really is a kick in the teeth. I take the point that he’s going to be free in 12 months and wants out, but if Pisa wanted him then we should have got a few quid for him, even to say to Pisa ‘you can have him now for a fee or battle for his signature next summer when he’s out of contract and there will be other interest.’ 2 hours ago, Marco the red said: Nagy Hegeler Djuric Engvall Magnússon Lucic, ashton recruitment from abroad has been horrific Gieffer, Marinovic, Diony, Garita…. The only success stories have been Kodjia (scored goals, sold for huge profit), and to a lesser extent Fam (scored goals but let him go on a free), and Eliasson (first team player but sold below value IMO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 Just now, CyderInACan said: This seems very much like the City of old. I thought we'd moved away from this sort of shambles. The ‘golden period’ of selling Flint, Bryan, Lloyd, Bobby and Webster for good money has blinded us all. None more so than SL and JL it seems. All a bit desparate now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: This seems very much like the City of old. I thought we'd moved away from this sort of shambles. Lansdown is still here mind. Not the first time we've been in this situation under his watch. Employing managers to cut costs / slash wage bills / clear out deadwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: This seems very much like the City of old. I thought we'd moved away from this sort of shambles. Can we put a sell on in the deal? Would be an interesting take on a "free transfer" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedo Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 Good. Wells and Kalas next, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuffle Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 Does anyone know for certain if this a free transfer or are people speculating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 This may have been misreported. I heard he went for a pizza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 14 minutes ago, Greedo said: Good. Wells and Kalas next, please. Kalas has been good. Cut out so many chances Vs Swansea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 29 minutes ago, Dredd said: A free really is a kick in the teeth. I take the point that he’s going to be free in 12 months and wants out, but if Pisa wanted him then we should have got a few quid for him, even to say to Pisa ‘you can have him now for a fee or battle for his signature next summer when he’s out of contract and there will be other interest.’ Gieffer, Marinovic, Diony, Garita…. The only success stories have been Kodjia (scored goals, sold for huge profit), and to a lesser extent Fam (scored goals but let him go on a free), and Eliasson (first team player but sold below value IMO) In fairness, Garita was Cotts (even though Ashton was around at that point). But those were the days when a “punt” was £50k not £1m 23 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said: Can we put a sell on in the deal? Would be an interesting take on a "free transfer" Yes, we’ve done it with Rory Holden, JoJo Wollacott, Shaun McCouksky. 8 minutes ago, Shuffle said: Does anyone know for certain if this a free transfer or are people speculating? Italian journo’s tweet was translated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 25 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said: Can we put a sell on in the deal? Would be an interesting take on a "free transfer" You can put whatever you want in the deal as long as both sides agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: In fairness, Garita was Cotts (even though Ashton was around at that point). But those were the days when a “punt” was £50k not £1m Yes, we’ve done it with Rory Holden, JoJo Wollacott, Shaun McCouksky. Italian journo’s tweet was translated. Garita was a real definition of a punt. I can't remember exactly how we identified him, but it was somewhere left field. Basically a free go - he was either going to work or wasn't and it's a very small outlay. He's one of the few players (present or former) I do follow on social media - something likeable about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 Just now, Phileas Fogg said: Garita was a real definition of a punt. I can't remember exactly how we identified him, but it was somewhere left field. Basically a free go - he was either going to work or wasn't and it's a very small outlay. He's one of the few players (present or former) I do follow on social media - something likeable about him. Wasn't he only really signed to help Kodjia settle in - ie another native French speaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 Just now, Phileas Fogg said: Garita was a real definition of a punt. I can't remember exactly how we identified him, but it was somewhere left field. Basically a free go - he was either going to work or wasn't and it's a very small outlay. reckon it was, go and find the cheapest French player you can who we might hoodwink the fans with, so that Kodjia has a French speaking pal. He's one of the few players (present or former) I do follow on social media - something likeable about him. me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 Just now, CyderInACan said: Wasn't he only really signed to help Kodjia settle in - ie another native French speaker. I remember that being talked about actually, I just looked at his wiki - didn't realise he was on the bench for the United game ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: In fairness, Garita was Cotts (even though Ashton was around at that point). But those were the days when a “punt” was £50k not £1m Yes, we’ve done it with Rory Holden, JoJo Wollacott, Shaun McCouksky. Italian journo’s tweet was translated. Add Nurse and Smith to those also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the1stknowle Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Cov 77 said: So we believe an tweet in Italian immediately , maybe but I don’t think so , we will see but hear there is definitely a fee on this The tweet is in Spanish, not Italian. No idea if that makes the author less reliable or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, the1stknowle said: The tweet is in Spanish, not Italian. No idea if that makes the author less reliable or more. It's very niche - basically a fan run twitter page for Pisa but in Spanish. Doesn't seem particularly reputable just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Fuber said: Add Nurse and Smith to those also. Smith might’ve been a small fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 ...Don’t feel we really got to know you. Good luck at Pisa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 18 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Italian journo’s tweet was translated. 6 minutes ago, the1stknowle said: The tweet is in Spanish, not Italian. No idea if that makes the author less reliable or more. 3 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: It's very niche - basically a fan run twitter page for Pisa but in Spanish. Doesn't seem particularly reputable just yet. Yepp, I think the "on a free" has only come from the Spanish fan page for Pisa FC. Don't believe the reputable Italian journo (or anyone else) has commented on a fee up to this point, though Gregor did relay the "on a free" idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CyderInACan Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 Not even mention of an “undisclosed fee” so presumably a freebie as mooted earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 Just now, Lew-T said: Interesting wording - "and his family" implies that was a big factor in his decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 Never felt his heart was really in it here. Goodbye and good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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