bcfc01 Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 Cardiff have scored 8 this season, all headers. Top scorer in the Championship is Aden Flint. They have five players who can launch a ball into the box from a throw-in. Seems pretty obvious what to expect Saturday from Cardiff. With that in mind, should Dasilva and Simpson be left out given their height ? Or do we let them worry about our strengths and keep to the same team ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 Vyner RB, Pring LB. O'Dowda to play in front of Pring if fit. Rest of team the same as Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 Ask I want is a win, I live in Cardiff and its my 40th birthday on the 28th, PLEASE Bristol City, don't make me deal with a loss that day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TammyAB Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 Same team as last time but with Simpson no where near the side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, bcfc01 said: Cardiff have scored 8 this season, all headers. Top scorer in the Championship is Aden Flint. They have five players who can launch a ball into the box from a throw-in. Seems pretty obvious what to expect Saturday from Cardiff. With that in mind, should Dasilva and Simpson be left out given their height ? Or do we let them worry about our strengths and keep to the same team ? Might be wise to go with Baker and Vyner at full back to help defend set pieces, though its going to be difficult regardless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 I’d prefer us to give the opposition something to worry about rather than focussing on their strengths too much. In Baker/Atkinson/Kalas we should be able to battle the in the air if necessary. Dasilva hasn’t started that well, but we know he’s quality when on form and has far more big game experience than Pring. I think direct running utilising the likes of Weimann and perhaps CO’D might be the key to victory here. Their captain Morrison got injured last night and we know Flint has weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hinsleburg Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 I'm not normally a fan of changing the team to combat opposition, however in this game I think we will need to... The below team looks hideous and I wouldn't advocate it for any other game but we know exactly what we are going to get from Cardiff. (Can potentially swap Baker and Atkinson) Bentley Vyner Kalas Atkinson Baker James King Massengo Palmer Pring Martin I know HNM had a really good game in Midfield against Swansea but think we need an extra bit of experience in there, I've played Palmer over Scott as I actually feel Palmer does more work than people realise defensively. By going with a team like this if you're in the game after an hour or so you've then got license to bring on quicker more attacking players and get at them. I understand why people are saying Martin will be no good against Flint/Morrison but if we can get the ball to feet he can buy us fouls and hold up the ball. Pring, Massengo and Palmer will need to get as close to him as they can. Edit - Forgot Weimann, take out Palmer, have HNM as the number 10 and Weimann out wide... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted August 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I’d prefer us to give the opposition something to worry about rather than focussing on their strengths too much. In Baker/Atkinson/Kalas we should be able to battle the in the air if necessary. Dasilva hasn’t started that well, but we know he’s quality when on form and has far more big game experience than Pring. I think direct running utilising the likes of Weimann and perhaps CO’D might be the key to victory here. Their captain Morrison got injured last night and we know Flint has weaknesses. Not sure how serious the injury is re Morrison, but I they lose Moore to Wolves in the next couple of days, it'll be helpful. 1 minute ago, hinsleburg said: I'm not normally a fan of changing the team to combat opposition, however in this game I think we will need to... The below team looks hideous and I wouldn't advocate it for any other game but we know exactly what we are going to get from Cardiff. (Can potentially swap Baker and Atkinson) Bentley Vyner Kalas Atkinson Baker James King Massengo Palmer Pring Martin I know HNM had a really good game in Midfield against Swansea but think we need an extra bit of experience in there, I've played Palmer over Scott as I actually feel Palmer does more work than people realise defensively. By going with a team like this if you're in the game after an hour or so you've then got license to bring on quicker more attacking players and get at them. I understand why people are saying Martin will be no good against Flint/Morrison but if we can get the ball to feet he can buy us fouls and hold up the ball. Pring, Massengo and Palmer will need to get as close to him as they can. Weimann ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 Don’t think it will happen but would be tempted to add Baker for Dasilva and play 3 at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 People still putting Vyner at RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 minute ago, RedEyez said: People still putting Vyner at RB He's a better option than Simpson. I'm a better option than Simpson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 minute ago, bcfc01 said: Not sure how serious the injury is re Morrison, but I they lose Moore to Wolves in the next couple of days, it'll be helpful. Weimann ? I'd be tempted to go 3 at the back,,Kalas, Atkinson, Baker -James & King in front of them..pring lwb,,Vyner right.. Then Scott,, Weimann & C'OD with Martin 'up top... Gives us a bit more height & physicality to deal with the areal threat plus attacking intent... What could go wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRoss Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 20 minutes ago, hinsleburg said: I'm not normally a fan of changing the team to combat opposition, however in this game I think we will need to... The below team looks hideous and I wouldn't advocate it for any other game but we know exactly what we are going to get from Cardiff. (Can potentially swap Baker and Atkinson) Bentley Vyner Kalas Atkinson Baker James King Massengo Palmer Pring Martin I know HNM had a really good game in Midfield against Swansea but think we need an extra bit of experience in there, I've played Palmer over Scott as I actually feel Palmer does more work than people realise defensively. By going with a team like this if you're in the game after an hour or so you've then got license to bring on quicker more attacking players and get at them. I understand why people are saying Martin will be no good against Flint/Morrison but if we can get the ball to feet he can buy us fouls and hold up the ball. Pring, Massengo and Palmer will need to get as close to him as they can. Edit - Forgot Weimann, take out Palmer, have HNM as the number 10 and Weimann out wide... I'm sorry I know its your opinion but that team is awful. That looks like an LJ experiment (square pegs in round holes to nullify the opposition) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted August 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Son of Fred said: I'd be tempted to go 3 at the back,,Kalas, Atkinson, Baker -James & King in front of them..pring lwb,,Vyner right.. Then Scott,, Weimann & C'OD with Martin 'up top... Gives us a bit more height & physicality to deal with the areal threat plus attacking intent... What could go wrong! The ref could spot that we have 11 outfield players ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 What happened to the ‘let them worry about us’ brigade?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 I'd probably go.. Bentley Simpson, Baker, Atkinson, Dasilva Massengo, James Weimann, King, Pring Martin I wouldn't change the back 4 that needs time playing together. Think we will need King's experience. Wouldn't drop Pring or Massengo as both are playing well. Harsh on Scott but no harm in rotating him in and out a bit at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampshire reds Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 i would not play Zac. he is one i would be looking to sell. sadly not championship standard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hampshire reds said: i would not play Zac. he is one i would be looking to sell. sadly not championship standard He’s the next big money departure apparently- very highly rated Not a right back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 I said previously, as we haven't played any minutes with a 3, there is no point in going down that route. But after NP said it is an option, I would revert to my preferred shape for this one. I would want Baker in, and playing him at LB is a step too far for me. This is how I would set up. Kalas/Atkinson/Baker I feel this is a good balance. A good footballing CB, flanked bu 2 proper defenders. Simpson/ King/ James/ Pring Simpson in for his experience, less likely to be bullied. King & James for the obvious and Pring as he is a proper WB with good delivery. Weimann / HNM I'd like to see Massengo running with the ball further up, and with his & Weimann energy should be a good press. Not sure COD is fit & Semenyo was way off last week. Martin, Picks himself as the only striker NP seems to want ATM. Not sure Pearson will go 3-4-2-1 or 5-3-1-1 or however you want to write it. But it feels like a game we could do with extra height and aerial strength. It would also allow the WBs to play wider and hopefully cut off supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 19 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: What happened to the ‘let them worry about us’ brigade?! Cut off their supply, dominate possession and they will worry about us. But all the time one big ball into the area is a threat, then you have to take account of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: I said previously, as we haven't played any minutes with a 3, there is no point in going down that route. But after NP said it is an option, I would revert to my preferred shape for this one. I would want Baker in, and playing him at LB is a step too far for me. This is how I would set up. Kalas/Atkinson/Baker I feel this is a good balance. A good footballing CB, flanked bu 2 proper defenders. Simpson/ King/ James/ Pring Simpson in for his experience, less likely to be bullied. King & James for the obvious and Pring as he is a proper WB with good delivery. Weimann / HNM I'd like to see Massengo running with the ball further up, and with his & Weimann energy should be a good press. Not sure COD is fit & Semenyo was way off last week. Martin, Picks himself as the only striker NP seems to want ATM. Not sure Pearson will go 3-4-2-1 or 5-3-1-1 or however you want to write it. But it feels like a game we could do with extra height and aerial strength. It would also allow the WBs to play wider and hopefully cut off supply. I like the thinking there. I agree in theory looks like it could be effective. I wonder whether CO'D would be a better option as a naturally left sided player - he could also swap out with Pring if either aren't having much luck as LWB and they play quite differently when deployed as wide players. I can see the logic in trying HNM there but I wonder whether a natural wide player with genuine pace might be a better option. Weimann and HNM or whoever could play a bit narrower in a similar formation to Chelsea. It would rely on the wing backs doing an awful lot of work at both ends of the pitch though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 39 minutes ago, hinsleburg said: I'm not normally a fan of changing the team to combat opposition, however in this game I think we will need to... The below team looks hideous and I wouldn't advocate it for any other game but we know exactly what we are going to get from Cardiff. (Can potentially swap Baker and Atkinson) Bentley Vyner Kalas Atkinson Baker James King Massengo Palmer Pring Martin I know HNM had a really good game in Midfield against Swansea but think we need an extra bit of experience in there, I've played Palmer over Scott as I actually feel Palmer does more work than people realise defensively. By going with a team like this if you're in the game after an hour or so you've then got license to bring on quicker more attacking players and get at them. I understand why people are saying Martin will be no good against Flint/Morrison but if we can get the ball to feet he can buy us fouls and hold up the ball. Pring, Massengo and Palmer will need to get as close to him as they can. Edit - Forgot Weimann, take out Palmer, have HNM as the number 10 and Weimann out wide... I think there is huge merit in this sort of line-up. Tactically one thing we know is that they are gonna get some set pieces from which they can launch it into our box, whether that be throwins with our final 25 yards, or free-kicks from anywhere from 10 yards within their own half. We won’t avoid that, we can hope to limit the amount though by not giving away unnecessary opportunities, e.g. stupid fouls. Therefore knowing we are gonna have to defend some, it makes sense to “go big”. The other key thing against a team like Cardiff is to put pressure on the bloke who’s gonna ping diags into our box in general play. Typically this will be their Wingbacks or the likes of Pack, Ralls from midfield. Last week v Millwall (h): Week before v Peterborough (a): We really need to get pressure on their wingbacks, we cannot let them get their heads up (not Pack and Rolls) and pick Moore as the target. They need to be hitting hurried less accurate diags. My view is that switching to a 352 will mean our WBs will have to 1-for-1 against theirs and leave easy channel ball / open ground for their defenders to hit or they sit deep to protect our CBs and give Cardiff’s WBs loads of time to get the ball and deliver. It is a fine line thinking we just have to impose our game and not worry about Cardiff and naively thinking Cardiff won’t get any opportunity to play to their strengths. For me we want energetic and imposing players on the pitch, Pring has done that in spades in his two games. Having said that I’m not against Scott starting again either, I think he can be trusted to carry out tactical instruction, e.g. stop their LWB having any time on the ball. Team selection will be whatever it is. But for once I do agree it’s possibly not the game for Dasilva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: Cut off their supply, dominate possession and they will worry about us. But all the time one big ball into the area is a threat, then you have to take account of that. That is the gist of my post above. You can’t expect to just play our game….that’s just plain naivety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: I think there is huge merit in this sort of line-up. Tactically one thing we know is that they are gonna get some set pieces from which they can launch it into our box, whether that be throwins with our final 25 yards, or free-kicks from anywhere from 10 yards within their own half. We won’t avoid that, we can hope to limit the amount though by not giving away unnecessary opportunities, e.g. stupid fouls. Therefore knowing we are gonna have to defend some, it makes sense to “go big”. The other key thing against a team like Cardiff is to put pressure on the bloke who’s gonna ping diags into our box in general play. Typically this will be their Wingbacks or the likes of Pack, Ralls from midfield. Last week v Millwall (h): Week before v Peterborough (a): We really need to get pressure on their wingbacks, we cannot let them get their heads up (not Pack and Rolls) and pick Moore as the target. They need to be hitting hurried less accurate diags. My view is that switching to a 352 will mean our WBs will have to 1-for-1 against theirs and leave easy channel ball / open ground for their defenders to hit or they sit deep to protect our CBs and give Cardiff’s WBs loads of time to get the ball and deliver. It is a fine line thinking we just have to impose our game and not worry about Cardiff and naively thinking Cardiff won’t get any opportunity to play to their strengths. For me we want energetic and imposing players on the pitch, Pring has done that in spades in his two games. Having said that I’m not against Scott starting again either, I think he can be trusted to carry out tactical instruction, e.g. stop their LWB having any time on the ball. Team selection will be whatever it is. But for once I do agree it’s possibly not the game for Dasilva. Good post Dave, definitely makes sense. I am not sure it's "naïve" necessarily to advocate playing to our strengths though. It's Cardiff City not Man City. On paper this should be a fairly even contest. I think he principle behind this thinking is ultimately to shrug off the old way we've played for years.. players out of position, 'busy' but unproductive midfield and a team that rarely imposes themselves on the game with a soft underbelly. Against Reading and to a large extent Swansea we looked like a team starting to turn the corner - people want this to continue. I think their CBs are there to be got at. They're obviously physical and dominant aerially but all to an extent are vulnerable to direct running. We know Flint is in particular and we have a few players that can cause them issues in this department. Ironically, despite the criticism he's received, it could be a game for Semenyo to make his mark. He is fast, direct and fairly physical. His pace and directness may spook them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTeamInBristol Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 Our back 4/5 are going to be tested. I don't think we can play JD, Mick McCarthy was in the stands at our Swansea game and he will have picked him out as one to target because of his size. I would go Kalas, Atkinson, Baker, Pring as the back 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Good post Dave, definitely makes sense. I am not sure it's "naïve" necessarily to advocate playing to our strengths though. It's Cardiff City not Man City. On paper this should be a fairly even contest. I think he principle behind this thinking is ultimately to shrug off the old way we've played for years.. players out of position, 'busy' but unproductive midfield and a team that rarely imposes themselves on the game with a soft underbelly. Against Reading and to a large extent Swansea we looked like a team starting to turn the corner - people want this to continue. I think their CBs are there to be got at. They're obviously physical and dominant aerially but all to an extent are vulnerable to direct running. We know Flint is in particular and we have a few players that can cause them issues in this department. Ironically, despite the criticism he's received, it could be a game for Semenyo to make his mark. He is fast, direct and fairly physical. His pace and directness may spook them. It’s @1960maaan’s post that really simplifies the fact that you can’t nullify Cardiff for all of the 90 minutes…and naive to think you can. They are a team that are efficient with low possession. We can impose our game as much as we like, but Cardiff will get some opportunity. It’s why I’m advocating we continue to play our 442(ish) system, but a couple of personnel changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: It’s @1960maaan’s post that really simplifies the fact that you can’t nullify Cardiff for all of the 90 minutes…and naive to think you can. They are a team that are efficient with low possession. We can impose our game as much as we like, but Cardiff will get some opportunity. It’s why I’m advocating we continue to play our 442(ish) system, but a couple of personnel changes. I do agree with the principle, just don't think we need to change the 11 too much to do this. The only issue I have is Dasilva but I think it's probably worth sticking with him as he may suddenly find his form. I'm not a huge fan of using Baker at LB for example as I think Cardiff would target that. Interesting quandary for Pearson though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted August 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Good post Dave, definitely makes sense. I am not sure it's "naïve" necessarily to advocate playing to our strengths though. It's Cardiff City not Man City. On paper this should be a fairly even contest. I think he principle behind this thinking is ultimately to shrug off the old way we've played for years.. players out of position, 'busy' but unproductive midfield and a team that rarely imposes themselves on the game with a soft underbelly. Against Reading and to a large extent Swansea we looked like a team starting to turn the corner - people want this to continue. I think their CBs are there to be got at. They're obviously physical and dominant aerially but all to an extent are vulnerable to direct running. We know Flint is in particular and we have a few players that can cause them issues in this department. Ironically, despite the criticism he's received, it could be a game for Semenyo to make his mark. He is fast, direct and fairly physical. His pace and directness may spook them. I tend to agree with that, but there has to be an element of minimising their threats and I would also agree with a number of people on this thread who think Dasilva will come under pressure if he plays. I would play Pring or Baker at left back. Maybe Pring in front of Baker. I think Vyner may be handy for this game as well - the long diagonal balls they play should be at least mitigated by Vyner on the right and Baker/Pring on the left. Agree with the bold bit, we need to get Weimann, Scott, and maybe Semenyo or COD running at the centre backs and at least getting free kicks around the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AG City Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 BENTLEY KALAS BAKER ATKINSON PRING JAMES KING WEIMANN MASSENGO O'DOWDA MARTIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTeamInBristol Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 minute ago, AG City said: BENTLEY KALAS BAKER ATKINSON PRING JAMES KING WEIMANN MASSENGO O'DOWDA MARTIN Spot on this. Semenyo for O'Dowda possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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