BS4 on Tour... Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 40 minutes ago, Robbored said: It’s my opinion - no need to call me clueless because you happen not to agree. But you’ve constantly said you don’t comment on ex players ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Robbored said: L1 was his ceiling where he was colossus heading and kicking balls that we’re all so common lower down the leagues. I never rated Flint simply because of his limited ball playing ability. Just compare him to Webster who imo was and is a proper CB………… He was more comfortable at L1 level but for me he’s done enough to be considered a Championship standard defender. I recall when we got promoted a lot of posters were worried whether he would be mobile enough for the Championship. Seven seasons at this level says yes, he is mobile enough. 1 hour ago, Robbored said: L1 was his ceiling where he was colossus heading and kicking balls that we’re all so common lower down the leagues. I never rated Flint simply because of his limited ball playing ability. Just compare him to Webster who imo was and is a proper CB………… He was more comfortable at L1 level but for me he’s done enough to be considered a Championship standard defender. I recall when we got promoted a lot of posters were worried whether he would be mobile enough for the Championship. Seven seasons at this level says yes, he is mobile enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 24 minutes ago, Midred said: How did Marlon look, still solid in midfield? He was one of their better players, but I’m sure his skills could be deployed better in a different style of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 Just seen on Facebook a young supporter of ours waited after the game to meet flint yesterday but flint just looked at him and blanked him numerous times while signing other kids stuff . Sounds like a real arrogant ***** tbh not the first time he’s done stuff like this judging by the comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 Just now, Wiltshire robin said: Just seen on Facebook a young supporter of ours waited after the game to meet flint yesterday but flint just looked at him and blanked him numerous times while signing other kids stuff . Sounds like a real arrogant ***** tbh not the first time he’s done stuff like this judging by the comments The few times I’ve been in the same room as him I’d say he’s a complex character. Life and soul one time, withdrawn loner the next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, WarksRobin said: He was more comfortable at L1 level but for me he’s done enough to be considered a Championship standard defender. I recall when we got promoted a lot of posters were worried whether he would be mobile enough for the Championship. Seven seasons at this level says yes, he is mobile enough. He was more comfortable at L1 level but for me he’s done enough to be considered a Championship standard defender. I recall when we got promoted a lot of posters were worried whether he would be mobile enough for the Championship. Seven seasons at this level says yes, he is mobile enough. Well….Flint was badly caught out for Weimann’s first goal and almost put him thru again with a poor header. Now I don’t watch any of Cardiff’s games other than goal highlights so none of really know just how many times Flint get exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutstandingMixer Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 40 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: 14 - incredible achievement 14 in the league, 15 in all competitions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted August 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 17 minutes ago, Robbored said: Well….Flint was badly caught out for Weimann’s first goal and almost put him thru again with a poor header. Now I don’t watch any of Cardiff’s games other than goal highlights so none of really know just how many times Flint get exposed. As I said in my original post, I don't think he is good enough anymore, but you seem to be suggesting that this means he never was, which is patently and demonstrably not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KegCity Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said: I never can understand booing former players - unless they left us in a contentious way or have dissed us retrospectively. Neither of those did. I get the argument for not giving them stick, but it’s a derby, they’re part of the opposition. Why would fans not make the atmosphere as hostile as possible? I’m sure they’ll recover from a few boos. Two good servants of the club, ultimately went to our rivals. 1 hour ago, The Wild Bunch said: A number of fans also booed Pato. Are they going to boo Smith, Reid and Bryan later this season? I’d give them stick during the game, give them applause at the end, but that’s just me. Nothing personal, I just don’t really understand giving former players a warm welcome as if they’re not going out there to beat us. Can thank them for their time at city at full time. 48 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said: It’s all pantomime though isn’t it, I’m sure the ex players don’t go home crying about it saying ‘why have they turned on me” Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Robbored said: L1 was his ceiling where he was colossus heading and kicking balls that we’re all so common lower down the leagues. I never rated Flint simply because of his limited ball playing ability. Just compare him to Webster who imo was and is a proper CB………… Seems a bit unfair to compare a solid PL player against a solid Championship player. And Flint probably still scores goals at 3x the rate of our entirte backline ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 hours ago, The Wild Bunch said: A number of fans also booed Pato. Are they going to boo Smith, Reid and Bryan later this season? I don’t understand why people wouldn’t boo Reid , had one good season and then moved to our local rivals . Yes he come out the academy but he’s a Liverpool fan not Bristol city I can’t think of another club that would applaud a player after moving to there local rivals no matter the financial situation involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 Booing past players just seems a bit daft to me. Especially if they've given great service to the club and were a bit of a hero during their time here, like Flinty. I don't think it particularly builds a hostile atmosphere. As has been said, I doubt the players concerned are particularly affected by it, but if they think about it at all it probably is (yet) another thing that makes them reflect that many fans are nondies. It's also some inconsistent: some players have been clapped on their return to AG with rivals, others have been booed. The fact Flint and Pack were in Cardiff shirts is irrelevant: Flint's from Derbyshire, Pack's from Portsmouth. Cardiff are not their local rivals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said: It’s all pantomime though isn’t it, I’m sure the ex players don’t go home crying about it saying ‘why have they turned on me” Yeah it was mostly very much tongue in cheek I think - people were just being giddy on the atmosphere (which I thought was fantastic overall as an aside). Nothing to get hung up about. Pack applauded at the end so evidently wasn’t that upset by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 14 hours ago, Port Said Red said: Made to look like a League 1 player today, of course he will always be a threat in the opposition box with the right delivery just on his size, but his defending has deteriorated since his days with us. It was clear that the team knew how to expose him, both on the ground and in the air. Couldn't cope with Weimann on the ground, out thought by Martin all around and out jumped by Kalas on almost every occasion they xame together. I remember posting on here when he went to Boro, that we had probably seen his best days, and I have seen nothing since to dissuade me from that thought since. Never rated him defensively in the championship . He gets done time & again by quick footed players . Gets dragged out of position easily as seen with our first goal. Always remember fans say about him sliding in for a last ditch tackle etc. The reason he had to do that was because he was out of position in the first place. Massively overrated by loads of our fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 29 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: Never rated him defensively in the championship . He gets done time & again by quick footed players . Gets dragged out of position easily as seen with our first goal. Always remember fans say about him sliding in for a last ditch tackle etc. The reason he had to do that was because he was out of position in the first place. Massively overrated by loads of our fans. Spot on Stevie. I’ve been saying pretty much the same thing and got slagged off for my opinion. Glad I’m not the only one. Problem is that too many of Flints disciples just can’t see the weaknesses in his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 33 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: Never rated him defensively in the championship . He gets done time & again by quick footed players . Gets dragged out of position easily as seen with our first goal. Always remember fans say about him sliding in for a last ditch tackle etc. The reason he had to do that was because he was out of position in the first place. Massively overrated by loads of our fans. Weimanns touch was slack for the first which caused the confusion between flint and the keeper, in this case it fell for weimann who put it in. You would expect weimann to be slightly quicker on the turn because hes smaller, but that doesnt take away from what flint was for us in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Simon bristol said: Weimanns touch was slack for the first which caused the confusion between flint and the keeper, in this case it fell for weimann who put it in. You would expect weimann to be slightly quicker on the turn because hes smaller, but that doesnt take away from what flint was for us in my view. He completely lost Flint regardless of his first touch . Wiemann dragged him up the pitch then span in behind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Robbored said: Spot on Stevie. I’ve been saying pretty much the same thing and got slagged off for my opinion. Glad I’m not the only one. Problem is that too many of Flints disciples just can’t see the weaknesses in his game. Yes Flint has weaknesses. If he didn't he wouldn't of been playing for us and he'd be in the Prem. He is a club legend because of what he achieved here. Part of a squad to do the double as well our terrific Cup run. The issue with your opinion is that its wrong. You say he's not a championship CB, but he's playing his 8th season at this level now. If he wasn't a championship CB he'd not be playing at this level still. He has his faults, he's declining but to call him a league one CB is quite frankly deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Robbored said: Spot on Stevie. I’ve been saying pretty much the same thing and got slagged off for my opinion. Glad I’m not the only one. Problem is that too many of Flints disciples just can’t see the weaknesses in his game. Your issue is that you can’t see any strengths. Pretty much all of us who’ve posted on this thread have given balance in our opinions recognising his strong points and weak points. You said he’s a Lg1 player, which is ludicrous. This is his 7th season in the Championship, twice transferred for £7m on both occasions to teams who at the time were upgrades on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 Otib’s ability to find something to bicker about after a good away win is wonderful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 Can't believe Flinty is being called out tbh. The right pro in the right position at the right time - round peg, round hole, square peg, square hole - call it what you like. But was right for us in L1, those performances got him noticed and moves to Boro & Cardiff have developed. No real surprise. A proper defender 1st n foremost. Someone that MM at Cardiff could mould in the style of himself. His bank account says he isn't a failure at Championship level. And not too many people were calling for him to be moved on during the L1 campaign. Not least calling out his deficiencies. Arguably as the years go on, Flinty will lose some assets but will develop others elsewhere. Good luck to him. I really don't understand the animosity towards him. Which no-one would say to his face! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 14 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Your issue is that you can’t see any strengths. Pretty much all of us who’ve posted on this thread have given balance in our opinions recognising his strong points and weak points. You said he’s a Lg1 player, which is ludicrous. This is his 7th season in the Championship, twice transferred for £7m on both occasions to teams who at the time were upgrades on us. Flints strengths are obvious - his height and build which enables him get to highballs better than most and to block and muscle opposition strikers. It’s an asset in both boxes - hence the number of goals he’s bagged. Baker is roughly the same height as Flint but is a far better footballer. Positionally he’s far more aware and considerably more mobile and whilst he doesn’t get on the score sheet I’d rather have him in defence than Flint any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, Robbored said: Baker is roughly the same height as Flint but is a far better footballer. Positionally he’s far more aware and considerably more mobile and whilst he doesn’t get on the score sheet I’d rather have him in defence than Flint any day. Nathan Baker - 6 ft, 2 inches Aden Flint - 6ft, 5 1/2 inches. I know you probably tell your missus that the extra inches don’t make a difference but they do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 Seems flints been given some abuse on social media so is sending that young lad a signed shirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasSavage88 Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 Isn't flint a massive *** around portishead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 27 minutes ago, Robbored said: Flints strengths are obvious - his height and build which enables him get to highballs better than most and to block and muscle opposition strikers. It’s an asset in both boxes - hence the number of goals he’s bagged. Baker is roughly the same height as Flint but is a far better footballer. Positionally he’s far more aware and considerably more mobile and whilst he doesn’t get on the score sheet I’d rather have him in defence than Flint any day. Much more reasoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 Flint was always better than L1 but I never rated him at this level defensively and as others have said there is something about his personality that I didn't take to. Loads fell for the cult hero stuff at the time and I couldn't believe at least half our fanbase thought he was better than Webster. Equally though it's sad that he's getting booed/abused on social media. Probably the same characters. Gave us his best years, lives locally, he should only have respect really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Rizzle Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, steviestevieneville said: He completely lost Flint regardless of his first touch . Wiemann dragged him up the pitch then span in behind Disagree slightly. Weimann did lose Flint easy peasy (due to a bad touch). The keeper should have come out and claimed or blocked weimann but was too slow. Flint was right to be cross at the keeper; it was his error not Flints. As for the second goal. That was just pure class from AW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltsred14 Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 6 hours ago, Wiltshire robin said: Just seen on Facebook a young supporter of ours waited after the game to meet flint yesterday but flint just looked at him and blanked him numerous times while signing other kids stuff . Sounds like a real arrogant ***** tbh not the first time he’s done stuff like this judging by the comments Contentious comment, I know. He’s just lost a derby, against his old club… I can understand why he might have been a bit salty. Would fans on here have been too bothered if he did the same to a Swindon fan back in our promotion season? Sometimes I do feel for players, who are often, and wrongly, seen to be the panacea for people’s problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 49 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Nathan Baker - 6 ft, 2 inches Aden Flint - 6ft, 5 1/2 inches. I know you probably tell your missus that the extra inches don’t make a difference but they do Yeah, and flint has probably got about 10 times the number of career goals as baker, and 3 times the accrued transfer values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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