Mr Popodopolous Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 Little update. Bits on Twitter say Reading signing Carroll on a free. Hopefully that means good news is coming imminently about the minus 9 with 3 more suspended or at worst minus 6 with 3 more suspended. With a business plan. Hope it is the first for a range of reasons. They're on a reported wage cap of £8.5k per week for new players Carroll must be hard up!? Dann Rahman Drinkwater Halilovic Carroll- If rumours are true. All on loan or frees, on reported wages paid by the club not exceeding £8.5k per player!? What bargains...fancy the market collapsing that much. I also thought that between windows you couldn't add anyone under Embargo unless you had under 16 players, or 14 outfield in this instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 20 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Little update. Bits on Twitter say Reading signing Carroll on a free. Hopefully that means good news is coming imminently about the minus 9 with 3 more suspended or at worst minus 6 with 3 more suspended. With a business plan. Hope it is the first for a range of reasons. They're on a reported wage cap of £8.5k per week for new players Carroll must be hard up!? Dann Rahman Drinkwater Halilovic Carroll- If rumours are true. All on loan or frees, on reported wages paid by the club not exceeding £8.5k per player!? What bargains...fancy the market collapsing that much. I also thought that between windows you couldn't add anyone under Embargo unless you had under 16 players, or 14 outfield in this instance. They will be paying these players in "other" ways for sure I would think. Allegedly of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Little update. Bits on Twitter say Reading signing Carroll on a free. Hopefully that means good news is coming imminently about the minus 9 with 3 more suspended or at worst minus 6 with 3 more suspended. With a business plan. Hope it is the first for a range of reasons. They're on a reported wage cap of £8.5k per week for new players Carroll must be hard up!? Dann Rahman Drinkwater Halilovic Carroll- If rumours are true. All on loan or frees, on reported wages paid by the club not exceeding £8.5k per player!? What bargains...fancy the market collapsing that much. I also thought that between windows you couldn't add anyone under Embargo unless you had under 16 players, or 14 outfield in this instance. a fit Andy Carroll is easily worth £8.5k a week. With his record though......I'd only pay him with what in effect would be a nil hours contract (not that I'm in favour of 'em) - if he's training he gets paid. If he's having another lie down through injury, its a waste of money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 minute ago, VT05763 said: They will be paying these players in "other" ways for sure I would think. Allegedly of course. £8.5k per week, otherwise known as £85k per game in Carroll’s case 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, VT05763 said: They will be paying these players in "other" ways for sure I would think. Allegedly of course. Even with that theoretical bit though, there is a cap on new additions of 6...Carroll would be 7. Plus the bit about no new players although the types of embargo differ, no new players between windows if the squad size exceeds 16 and of that the outfield players exceed 14- unsure which embargo that refers to though. 5 hours ago, Sweeneys Penalties said: a fit Andy Carroll is easily worth £8.5k a week. With his record though......I'd only pay him with what in effect would be a nil hours contract (not that I'm in favour of 'em) - if he's training he gets paid. If he's having another lie down through injury, its a waste of money Absolutely if fit- certainly above £8.5k per week. Out of Reading's current embargo conditions price range too! Remember too that the EFL have to approve every deal in this context, so if they aren't happy they could pushback- or could have done so in general. Edited November 15, 2021 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottie Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 Just been confirmed they’ve signed Andy Carroll on a short term contract. It’s a farce! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Red Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 Con job another one cooking the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 (edited) From the outset, I confess to having very limited understanding of FFP nor, moreover, any knowledge whatsoever about City's true financial position iro same. What intrigues me, however, is that, if I understand things correctly, even if City were interested in signing the injury-prone Andy Carroll, they would be unable to do so for FFP reasons. Reading, however, currently under a transfer embargo so, presumably, in a worse financial state than City, can apparently sign him without a care in the world, to add to their earlier Premier League signings. What important point am I missing? Edited November 15, 2021 by PHILINFRANCE 16 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 56 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said: From the outset, I confess to having very limited understanding of FFP nor, moreover, any knowledge whatsoever about City's true financial position iro same. What intrigues me, however, is that, if I understand things correctly, even if City were interested in signing the injury-prone Andy Carroll, they would be unable to do so for FFP reasons. Reading, however, currently under a transfer embargo so, presumably, in a worse financial state than City, can apparently sign him without a care in the world, to add to their earlier Premier League signings. What important point am I missing? We could theoretically. However this a a very sound point, almost like penalised for doing the right thing. Reading are supposed to be on a wage cap of £8.5k per week per player but something isn't right here...not just Carroll but 3-4 others. Now the talk is of a 9 point deduction with 3 more suspended, but surely if you are the EFL you put a tighter cap on signings until such time as the deduction and business plan signed off. However this wouldn't be the end of the story for Reading ad they would still be under a business plan and have financial targets for next and maybe this season also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxj Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 Of course the 'non-conspracy'theory would be that everything has been agreed and signed off and Reading are now out of embargo, it simply hasn't been published yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 Embargo plus Business Plan I assume. Hopefully it'll be 9 + 3 and not 6 + 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 To also add, would it not be better given that they've signed their six, and they currently have injury issues to have the deduction ad business plan formally ratified and announced before permitting the short term addition of Carroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Davefevs said: £8.5k per week, otherwise known as £85k per game in Carroll’s case Thats £850K per goal !!!! (Not including the hat trick he will get v us) Edited November 15, 2021 by Maltshoveller 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_eastender Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 Now that Derby have been dealt with, hopefully EFL will turn their attention to punishing Reading. The aforementioned 9+3 points deduction would take them 6 points below us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Taylor Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 On 15/11/2021 at 17:40, Banjo Red said: Con job another one cooking the books. There are other clubs then 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Red Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 34 minutes ago, Shaun Taylor said: There are other clubs then Derby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Taylor Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Banjo Red said: Derby I couldn't remember if Sheffield Wednesday were being investigated as well Edited November 16, 2021 by Shaun Taylor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco Rojo Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 hour ago, old_eastender said: Now that Derby have been dealt with, hopefully EFL will turn their attention to punishing Reading. The aforementioned 9+3 points deduction would take them 6 points below us. Unfortunately not enough to make me feel safer about our season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Red Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Shaun Taylor said: I couldn't remember if Sheffield Wednesday were being investigated as well Maybe from last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Taylor Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 12 hours ago, Banjo Red said: Maybe from last season. Cheers, I do remember reading about it a while back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, old_eastender said: Now that Derby have been dealt with, hopefully EFL will turn their attention to punishing Reading. The aforementioned 9+3 points deduction would take them 6 points below us. That will keep them below us until at least December. Edit: scratch that, 9+3 is 12 and they’re 3 points ahead of us so they’d be 9 points below us? Edited November 17, 2021 by Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said: That will keep them below us until at least December. Edit: scratch that, 9+3 is 12 and they’re 3 points ahead of us so they’d be 9 points below us? The +3 are suspended. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Musicworks Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 According to the report in the Mail today, Reading have agreed a 6 point deduction with another 6 suspended. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 26 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said: According to the report in the Mail today, Reading have agreed a 6 point deduction with another 6 suspended. If true, they've played a blinder. Not that I thought they'd finish below us with a full 12 point deduction! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 6 + 6 is a bit of a strange one. Doesn't seem in line with the likely breach. We'll have to see the full detail when released if indeed this is the number, but wonder if part or all of the suspended 6 is contingent on the January window, ie sales/departures to avoid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 55 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: 6 + 6 is a bit of a strange one. Doesn't seem in line with the likely breach. We'll have to see the full detail when released if indeed this is the number, but wonder if part or all of the suspended 6 is contingent on the January window, ie sales/departures to avoid. Yes, will be very interesting to see conditions imposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/17/reading-agree-six-point-deduction-with-efl-for-breaching-financial-rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 Looks like suspended points are over this season and next….so and possibly wages brought back into line in January. Loans to go back??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_eastender Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said: If true, they've played a blinder. Not that I thought they'd finish below us with a full 12 point deduction! Sadly I agree, if the game management (sic) at Coventry is anything to go by Fleming won't be organising us to pick up many more points. Can see us in the bottom 3 by Xmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 3 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said: If true, they've played a blinder. Not that I thought they'd finish below us with a full 12 point deduction! Yep, that's really going to put clubs off cheating. We might as well have a go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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