BS4 on Tour... Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Bas's perfect hattrick said: To be fair, it wasn’t difficult to miss. In any case, ignoring it/sweeping it under the carpet would disrespect those who suffered from it So if it wasn’t difficult to miss it, it must have been easy to miss it then? So you don’t think the FIFA officials would have witnessed it as it “wasn’t difficult to miss” ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 1 hour ago, downendcity said: The hanging gardens of babylon? A herd of wildebeest sweeping majestically across the plain? “Sydney Opera House” ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 52 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Using racists to troll is a new low for Robbored. Didn't think he'd ever stoop that low. Maybe he didn’t hear it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Yet another who misses my point………….. Have a look at what you've written. You're equating racist chanting with streaking. Even for you, that's an horrendous low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 6 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: Usually talk sense but you're chatting shite this evening fella. We were a much better side this summer than in 2018, and as for "easy" draws...we've had plenty of those since '66 and still come unstuck. Playing a team that hasn't lost in three years in the final easy? Yeah, OK... If you read my post it says easy route TO the final, Italy was never going to be easy, as you say they were unbeaten for so long and in fairness they were the best team at the tournament with very difficult knockout games, it’s just frustration on my part as I see Grealish as the best talent we have had for many years who could unlock a game with one moment of magic and he’s a cheat so plenty of free-kick opportunities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 hour ago, harrys said: If you read my post it says easy route TO the final, Italy was never going to be easy, as you say they were unbeaten for so long and in fairness they were the best team at the tournament with very difficult knockout games, it’s just frustration on my part as I see Grealish as the best talent we have had for many years who could unlock a game with one moment of magic and he’s a cheat so plenty of free-kick opportunities I think i share similar frustrations, in that Italy game my personal opinion is he didn’t do a enough to affect the game when they were well in control and wasn’t brave enough to bring Grealish on when he should have. As you say, he gets free kicks which alleviates pressure and buys you some time We we’re more than good enough to have won that game against a good Italian side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 8 hours ago, Pezo said: Na, the Germans would have got 7 with the chances we missed. Not the current German Team, previous generations maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 8 hours ago, JamesBCFC said: Using racists to troll is a new low for Robbored. Didn't think he'd ever stoop that low. Troll?…….not again……… If I post anything controversial I get accused of being a troll……..jeez………… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 I expect Sterling and England will get a bigger punishment for taking his shirt off than Scumgary will get for their vile behaviour. It really is time for more severe consequence not just football but society in general. As for the game England we’re excellent second half. And the Keeper was absolutely shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 34 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: I expect Sterling and England will get a bigger punishment for taking his shirt off than Scumgary will get for their vile behaviour. It really is time for more severe consequence not just football but society in general. As for the game England we’re excellent second half. And the Keeper was absolutely shit The governing bodies don't send out a strong enough message. A warning needs to be given that any countries doing it will be removed from the competition. They talk a good game, but a fine or a behind doors game ultimately means **** all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 10 hours ago, Pezo said: Na, the Germans would have got 7 with the chances we missed. I’m confused. Some people say Germany aren’t what they used to be when we talk about beating them in the euros, now they’re better than us again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 minute ago, MarcusX said: I’m confused. Some people say Germany aren’t what they used to be when we talk about beating them in the euros, now they’re better than us again? When people refer to the ruthlessness of German's I tend to think of the 1990 era as that's when they were ruthless. Agree the current German team isn't a patch on them. I should have clarified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 10 hours ago, harrys said: He learnt how to lose again, he couldn’t have hand picked easier routes to the finals but still blew it despite the wealth of talent and creativity in the squad. Case in point. Germany are easy now… ok! it’s a weak argument. He didn’t play overly exciting or expansive football but he did exactly what was required up til the final (and for most parts of the final he did too, he just didn’t adapt quickly enough to the Italian pressure) Can only beat what’s in front of you and we were 2 shit penalties away from winning. “Easy” route but we’d only won one euro knockout game before this tournament and we beat the Germans, convincingly in a game most thought we’d lose. Someone on the radio last night said they’d have called up and complained about the same things even if we’d won - I get the criticisms but some people will just never be happy Don’t forget 2022 was the target, anything before that is progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abraham Romanovich Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Troll?…….not again……… If I post anything controversial I get accused of being a troll……..jeez………… Just for clarification:- Troll = to intentionally do or say something annoying or offensive in order to upset someone, or to get attention or cause trouble. Controversy = a disagreement, often a public one, that involves different ideas or opinions about something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 10 hours ago, Robbored said: Why do you suppose broadcasters ignore streakers? That’s a silly comparison Streakers are usually one person doing something for the attention/infamy. They want their picture plastered over the tv/papers, usually a “dare” or something similar and want to be noticed. Not giving them attention actively dissuades them from doing so, hence why it rarely ever happens now. It’s also public nudity as someone else pointed out.. Im sure the racists would love for no one to mention it and avoid highlighting the issue. It’s not one person craving attention it’s masses of people displaying pure hate. I don’t think you were equating streakers to racists in the same moral bracket, but regardless it’s not comparable in the slightest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Troll?…….not again……… If I post anything controversial I get accused of being a troll……..jeez………… Not one for name calling myself; attack the post not the poster and all that. But you could try engaging with the arguments against your view that streaking and racism are equivalent and that broadcasters should ignore racism, which you have not yet done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Troll?…….not again……… If I post anything controversial I get accused of being a troll……..jeez………… But you regularly post controversial things, and you know you are doing it, so it’s a logical conclusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, MarcusX said: I don’t think you were equating streakers to racists in the same moral bracket, but regardless it’s not comparable in the slightest The key point I think, it's false equivalence. Or in plain English, comparing apples and oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the1stknowle Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 12 hours ago, Maltshoveller said: Should we not sort our house out before having a go at others? So long as we are consistent in calling out all racists then I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter if they are foreign racists or racists of our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Turnip Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 11 hours ago, Maltshoveller said: All i said was We need to sort our house out before we get on our moral high horse and judge others No we don't. We can condem both based on the actual events we witness. Offenders should be punished in line with the severity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the1stknowle Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 11 hours ago, Robbored said: Why do you suppose broadcasters ignore streakers? Because streakers want attention and broadcasters are trying to dissuade people from doing it by denying them what they want. Is your argument honestly that racists just want attention and so don't give it to them? The history of civil rights and anti-racist movements has been based around calling out and condeming racism and making sure the world knows how it makes the subjects of racist behaviour feel. That approach works. It's a good thing that broadcasters don't just let it pass by. They are doing their bit to make the world a better place by not ignoring it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Cloud Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 12 hours ago, Maltshoveller said: How can England refuse to play in these places When it happens here many see "taking the Knee" as a Political statement, stop doing that and much of the problem goes away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 24 minutes ago, Red Cloud said: many see "taking the Knee" as a Political statement, stop doing that and much of the problem goes away no it doesn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 32 minutes ago, Red Cloud said: many see "taking the Knee" as a Political statement, stop doing that and much of the problem goes away What a ridiculous thing to say. People offended by taking the knee either don't understand it, or are likely racist themselves either openly or passively. Stopping it may prevent the booing, but it wont do anything to stop racsim, the very thing take the knee is symbolising. After last night i would say there is even more of a need for take the knee to continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Abraham Romanovich said: Just for clarification:- Controversy = a disagreement, often a public one, that involves different ideas or opinions about something. I don’t consider posting something controversial as ‘trolling’. It’s just my opinion that some take umbrage at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 2 hours ago, MarcusX said: That’s a silly comparison I don’t think you were equating streakers to racists in the same moral bracket, but regardless it’s not comparable in the slightest It’s the principle that I’m pointing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/hungary-fans-racism-orban-fifa-b1913588.html Good article on this here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Red Cloud said: many see "taking the Knee" as a Political statement, stop doing that and much of the problem goes away Stop spouting this crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Red Cloud said: many see "taking the Knee" as a Political statement, stop doing that and much of the problem goes away Complete nonsense. First, do you honestly believe that if the England team hadn’t taken the knee then the racist abuse wouldn’t have followed?? what was on display last night is precisely why the team is right to go on taking the knee. Personally, I think they should start leaving the pitch, refusing to play as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 45 minutes ago, Robbored said: I don’t consider posting something controversial as ‘trolling’. It’s just my opinion that some take umbrage at. As a single opinion it isn’t. But added to your other opinions it is. It seems that on most subjects you have something controversial to say. My opinion, and I guess many others agree, is that you don’t actually believe a lot of what you post but do so to cause controversy. Aka trolling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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