'Orns Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 hour ago, chinapig said: I'm all for stability, though it can turn into stagnation. But stability isn't helped by a constant churn of players, or indeed tactics. It's not just the manager though. If we had had a CEO who had financial discipline and an experienced DoF to mentor LJ things might have turned out differently perhaps. Nail. On. Head. I was all for LJ having plenty of time, a lot changed under his leadership, but it got to that point where we stopped going forward. It had to change. I'd have got rid of Ashton first, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tully Bascomb Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 35 minutes ago, Leveller said: If it’s ghost written it’s a poor job. I have some sympathy with his views on stability in general, but I really didn’t need to know about his personal struggles to build a garden shed! It’s the sort of rambling monologue you’d get from the pub bore. or a chicken run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: What the **** has anything to do with us got to do with him? They could literally get someone out of the pub in BS3 who knows more. I find this constant attempt by the local media to try & tie both clubs into the same article really truly ******* tedious. There are far more differences than similarities but still they persist. Next week Hollowhead discusses the merits of apples and oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted September 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said: Does it come down to respect? It seems many players 'downed tools' for Dean and many have paid for that by not being at the club anymore. Nigel, du to his record should gain immediate respect. If that's the case, it's a bloody poor show by 'professional' players. We may never know unless someone from inside the camp spills the beans. It did seem that some players let their heads drop when we all needed them to show a lot more spirit. If we lose then at least lose after giving your all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted September 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tully Bascomb said: or a chicken run. As an expert on chicken runs, I can confirm that it is not always straightforward to create a safe and sound chicken run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tully Bascomb Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Bat Fastard said: As an expert on chicken runs, I can confirm that it is not always straightforward to create a safe and sound chicken run. Neymar knows how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 21 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said: Dean Holden had a golden start but this collapsed when much of his squad suffered from injuries. Nigel did not fare better with the same depleted squad. One could argue that Nigel is better placed to clear out dead wood and recruit a new squad on lower wages, but that is simply a reflection on the previously unheard of Covid problem. Dean Holden was out of his depth to be a Manager at this level. We relied on luck vs Coventry and Forest in those opening 4 games (Bentley on fire), his tactics were the worst I have seen from a City manager in my time following (20 years) and his subs were of pub league standard (chuck 4 strikers on the pitch and hit it into the box). Truth is we were hanging on in most games before the shocking run of results happened in February. Sacking Johnson was the right thing to do but employing Holden at that time was an horrendous decision, although the injuries did not help him or Nigel Pearson last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 50 minutes ago, Leveller said: If it’s ghost written it’s a poor job. I have some sympathy with his views on stability in general, but I really didn’t need to know about his personal struggles to build a garden shed! It’s the sort of rambling monologue you’d get from the pub bore. Agreed, but the content on Bristol Live (with the exception of James Piercy) is poor IMO. Proper journalism principles have gone out of the window by and large. Just last week, I was chatting to someone who works for Mirror Online and he's being actively encouraged by his news editor to crib work from others without verifying the sources. Content for content's sake, and highly unethical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 Curses He-man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rag Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 Clearly Holloway did not watch the mind numbing crap served up by LJ the couple of seasons following the Man City game. Those 2 seasons were enough for me, so much I bailed out watching BCFC. Can’t say I miss it much either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdliketoRogerMoore Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Bat Fastard said: Ian Holloway: Bristol City and Bristol Rovers fans must learn from lessons of Johnson and Garner - Ian Holloway - Bristol Live (bristolpost.co.uk) I admit to being conflicted that I end up agreeing with virtually everything that Holloway says about City in this article. I have no idea about the rovers stuff because I don't follow their decline. The benefit of stability if too often overlooked and "love the one you're with" seems to be good advice to all fans. I did not agree with the dumping of Lee Johnson but we are where we are and I hope we give Nigel all the time and space that he needs to achieve the results we all want to see. I suppose I should say, Well sad Ian Holloway - although it pains me. Tin hat on. I read that like a puff piece about how good I am with bits about City and rovers chucked in! And the bit about City was nonsense admittedly I know little about Rovers plight other than their shit! but he mentioned His time at Grimsby their fans hate him, then goes off tangent about what he’s been doing in the lockdown! Blokes a prize *****! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 Rarely is a successful manager sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Bat Fastard said: Ian Holloway: Bristol City and Bristol Rovers fans must learn from lessons of Johnson and Garner - Ian Holloway - Bristol Live (bristolpost.co.uk) I admit to being conflicted that I end up agreeing with virtually everything that Holloway says about City in this article. I have no idea about the rovers stuff because I don't follow their decline. The benefit of stability if too often overlooked and "love the one you're with" seems to be good advice to all fans. I did not agree with the dumping of Lee Johnson but we are where we are and I hope we give Nigel all the time and space that he needs to achieve the results we all want to see. I suppose I should say, Well sad Ian Holloway - although it pains me. Tin hat on. Was that a Freudian slip?........"Well SAD Ian Holloway" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, IdliketoRogerMoore said: him, then goes off tangent about what he’s been doing in the lockdown! Something to do with chicken shacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 33 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said: We may never know unless someone from inside the camp spills the beans. It did seem that some players let their heads drop when we all needed them to show a lot more spirit. If we lose then at least lose after giving your all. We do know - the replacement manager (Nigel Pearson) told us several times in the 3 months that he was in short-term charge here - that some our professionals weren’t very professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted September 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, IdliketoRogerMoore said: I read that like a puff piece about how good I am with bits about City and rovers chucked in! And the bit about City was nonsense admittedly I know little about Rovers plight other than their shit! but he mentioned His time at Grimsby their fans hate him, then goes off tangent about what he’s been doing in the lockdown! Blokes a prize *****! The bit about the wall was meant to illustrate that we can all make mistakes and the shed building was to illustrate that you can complete a project even if you lack finely honed skills. The bit that I liked was about the notion of continuity. It is easy to criticise mistakes (like his wall, and easy to scoff when a less skilled carpenter tries to build a shed, but maybe it is not a bad ideas to criticise less and support more. Call me old fashioned but I usually get frustrated at the cost and staffing implications of frequest management changes. It often seems to waste cash without always bringing the desired uptick in fortunes. Sometimes it does work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted September 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, Davefevs said: We do know - the replacement manager (Nigel Pearson) told us several times in the 3 months that he was in short-term charge here - that some our professionals weren’t very professional. I was puzzled that Nigel could not influence the non injured players to come up to the required mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstart Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 Should have asked him if he thought Johnson may still have a job if Ashton hadn't filled the squad with a ton of mediocre 'clubs in the bag' players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted September 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, maxjak said: Was that a Freudian slip?........"Well SAD Ian Holloway" Quite possibly. I am no fan of Holloway but still believe that a philosophy of continuity has merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Super said: Crikey calm down mate! He was prob asked to do an article by the BP and did one. He's got f@ck all else to do mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted September 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: Something to do with chicken shacks? The problem with chicken shack is that they can encourage blood sucking mites. They have to be built with wisdom and consideration of the risks involved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted September 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, supercidered said: He's got f@ck all else to do mind. A deep thinker like Mr Holloway only needs to think - that is what he does! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 We gave LJ nothing BUT patience.......while him and his boy wonder side kick MA squandered a fortune on mis managed contracts and random signings of a round peg/square hole variety? Just when LJ might have started to get somewhere on occasions, his ego and ridiculous notions would intervene, to take us two steps backwards from our initial one step forward. I strongly suspect if LJ had been given the same circumstances as Holden and subsequently Nige, we could have been relegated. I guess we will never know?..........but for sure, LJ was given sufficient time to build and operate a successful side, but was not up to it. I wish him well at Plunderland, where he will hopefully reign in his ego, and learn from the mistakes he made while in charge here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomThumb84 Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 Ignore. Be under no illusion Ian Holloway hates Bristol City with every fibre of his being and any attempt to offer a “balanced opinion”, is merely an attempt at self-promotion or to stay relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said: I was puzzled that Nigel could not influence the non injured players to come up to the required mark. I think it was the opposite, he gave the players enough rope to hang themselves and see who was worth keeping and up for the fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted September 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said: I think it was the opposite, he gave the players enough rope to hang themselves and see who was worth keeping and up for the fight I would have expected a new manager to try to lift a dispirited team. Maybe the number of injuries were just too much for him to handle - as it had been for Dean Holden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaverface Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 Disagree with Holloway, based on the following... - LJ was given ample time. - We DID NOT have an identity, we went from formation to formation with random players...unless he's suggesting that was our identity! - Under LJ we went on our worst ever losing run in our history. At what point do you say enough is enough? And yet LJ was still backed. - Unfortunately come the end, we started finishing lower down the table, with the prospect of not being able to throw any more money at it. - The previous summer LJ said he knew the players required to take us to the next level, and to back him. The club did, and we went backwards. - At Sunderland he may be riding high, but what happens When the slump in form comes? We've seen it MULTIPLE times that he couldn't address it. From my pov, LJ was backed and didn't ultimately deliver, so sorry Ian....You're wrong in this instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 27 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said: I was puzzled that Nigel could not influence the non injured players to come up to the required mark. Because they didn’t want to. They’d gotten away with it. Now they had someone in charge who saw that. You either shape up or you know your fate. It only takes one or two, and they had contracts expiring, so they had no real carrot to play for. They knew they’d been rumbled. Nige eventually resorted to playing the kids. He didn’t want to….said regularly he worried about damaging them by not giving them the best environment to succeed. So that’s why! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Alligator Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 Why any City fan would want to use the EP as a resource for anything City related I don't know. Total dross. As for Holloway, well it's all been said before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 Outdated manager voices outdated opinion with outdated media outlet. Nothing to see here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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