Nogbad the Bad Posted September 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 On 15/09/2021 at 18:36, INCRED said: We must be a very tolerant and hardy fan base to accept the poor home form? 'Long suffering' fans may be a football cliche (and fans of many clubs would claim to be) but at City we really we do seem to be just that. Some would say it could be worse, we could be back in L1 - the irony there is we would almost certainly be 'suffering' a lot less, winning far more games at home, scoring more goals, far better atmosphere at games, and going home happy more often than not. The 'problem' is we do too well one season and get promoted. That has to be our aim in L1, of course, and it's a great season and memorable moment when it is achieved, but Bristol City and the Championship is a conundrum. We're not good enough, big enough, or financially strong enough to do really well in it and our primary (unspoken) goal every season quickly becomes just to avoid relegation, and exciting football, entertainment and match day enjoyment all fall down the list of priorities. Better standard of players, in theory better quality of football, but as for matchday atmosphere at AG, and enjoyment supporting the club, well, not so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: 'Long suffering' fans may be a football cliche (and fans of many clubs would claim to be) but at City we really we do seem to be just that. Some would say it could be worse, we could be back in L1 - the irony there is we would almost certainly be 'suffering' a lot less, winning far more games at home, scoring more goals, far better atmosphere at games, and going home happy more often than not. The 'problem' is we do too well one season and get promoted. That has to be our aim in L1, of course, and it's a great season and memorable moment when it is achieved, but Bristol City and the Championship is a conundrum. We're not good enough, big enough, or financially strong enough to do really well in it and our primary (unspoken) goal every season quickly becomes just to avoid relegation, and exciting football, entertainment and match day enjoyment all fall down the list of priorities. Better standard of players, in theory better quality of football, but as for matchday atmosphere at AG, and enjoyment supporting the club, well, not so sure. Big enough? not sure about that, Swansea Bournemouth Brentford etc etc the list goes on of clubs that have been promoted to the top flight so I'm not sure that argument stacks up, no parachute payments well that is definitely hampering us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 29 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: 'Long suffering' fans may be a football cliche (and fans of many clubs would claim to be) but at City we really we do seem to be just that. Some would say it could be worse, we could be back in L1 - the irony there is we would almost certainly be 'suffering' a lot less, winning far more games at home, scoring more goals, far better atmosphere at games, and going home happy more often than not. The 'problem' is we do too well one season and get promoted. That has to be our aim in L1, of course, and it's a great season and memorable moment when it is achieved, but Bristol City and the Championship is a conundrum. We're not good enough, big enough, or financially strong enough to do really well in it and our primary (unspoken) goal every season quickly becomes just to avoid relegation, and exciting football, entertainment and match day enjoyment all fall down the list of priorities. Better standard of players, in theory better quality of football, but as for matchday atmosphere at AG, and enjoyment supporting the club, well, not so sure. You are being too negative about our place in society. Of course for the size of our City we should be in the Premier League. But we don't ever appear to really want to be there so we are in the right league. We have to keep earning that right and for the last three years, it's a wonder that we are still where we are. But not Division Three as a solution, please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutton Caveman Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 On 14/09/2021 at 23:38, Nogbad the Bad said: We know all about City's terrible current home run but it's nothing new really, the results have been pretty awful at AG now for at least 3 seasons, and now continuing in to a 4th. Over those 3 seasons, plus the first 3 home games this season, City have played 72 home league games. 18/19 Played 23 W8, D8, L7 Goals scored 28 Goals against 26 19/20 Played 23 W8, D7, L8 Goals scored 29 Goals against 32 20/21 Played 23 W7, D3, L13 Goals scored 18 Goals against 30 21/22 Played 3 W0, D2 L1 Goals scored 1 Goals against 2 Overall record Played 72 W23 D20 L29 Goals scored 76 Goals against 90 We've failed to win almost 50 home games in those 3 years (so in most of those cases will have left the ground frustrated and/or disappointed.) We've been outscored on our own pitch each season but 1 - and that was close - and have only scored just over an average of 1 goal per game, and overall the away teams have scored 14 more goals than City. Just 19 City goals to celebrate in our last 26 home games. The entertainment for 3+ years has on the whole been poor, the exciting games, imo, few and far between. Even some of the 23 we've won have been largely completely forgettable when it comes to excitement. Yet people question a lack of atmosphere and decreasing crowds? It's meant to be entertainment, and if that's not to be, it's a huge consolation is at least to go home with a hard fought scrappy win to celebrate more often than not. There's been a paucity (poor City?) of either wins or excitement at AG for far, far too long. In the same period, our away record is: Played 72, W30 D13 L29 Goals scored 96 Goals against 103. So we've won 7 more games on the road than at AG, lost the same number home and away, and scored 20 more goals on our travels. Not too bad an away record at all, and just as well - but it's the performances and results at Ashton Gate that set the mood of most City fans and in those respects there's been a long term depression lasting several years. When our team organisation and effort was so poor over the last 2 seasons there has been no place for flairs players so we have none. The trick is to find a flair player that will also play his role out of possession. If you include a player like Tomlin or to some extent Palmer or Bakinson, their lack of discipline is targeted by the opposition. I think as we get better organised and some sort of confidence in the system returns players will feel more able to express themselves and entertain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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