GrahamC Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said: 2 promotions to the Premier League, 1 automatic the other via the play-offs. 2 other play-off appearances. An FA Cup final. 2 FA Cup semi-finals. A League Cup semi-final. That's what Watford FC has achieved since our current owner became chairman/majority shareholder in 2002. Some people talk the talk, others just get on and do it. If you really want, you can add a further spell of top flight football if you go back to the time our owner first joined as a director in 1996. Yes, the way they hire and fire managers is bizarre, and they've sailed close to financial ruin too, but on the field they've achieved far, far more in the last 20 years than we have. I say this a lot about Brentford, some teams do it differently from others & copying it simply wouldn’t work. They have undoubtedly been far more successful than us, this works for them, I doubt it would for us. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, GrahamC said: I say this a lot about Brentford, some teams do it differently from others & copying it simply wouldn’t work. They have undoubtedly been far more successful than us, this works for them, I doubt it would for us. Indeed, I wouldn't want us to change managers every 5 minutes like Watford. But they've found a way to actually achieve something while Lansdown, at City for 25 years and counting, has implemented more duff ideas than good ones. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishy Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said: 2 promotions to the Premier League, 1 automatic the other via the play-offs. 2 other play-off appearances. An FA Cup final. 2 FA Cup semi-finals. A League Cup semi-final. That's what Watford FC has achieved since our current owner became chairman/majority shareholder in 2002. Some people talk the talk, others just get on and do it. If you really want, you can add a further spell of top flight football if you go back to the time our owner first joined as a director in 1996. Yes, the way they hire and fire managers is bizarre, and they've sailed close to financial ruin too, but on the field they've achieved far, far more in the last 20 years than we have. They must also benefit from having a catchment of London players which is attractive to a 24yr old with loads of cash to burn. Either on the way up or on the way down. 2 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said: 2 promotions to the Premier League, 1 automatic the other via the play-offs. 2 other play-off appearances. An FA Cup final. 2 FA Cup semi-finals. A League Cup semi-final. That's what Watford FC has achieved since our current owner became chairman/majority shareholder in 2002. Some people talk the talk, others just get on and do it. If you really want, you can add a further spell of top flight football if you go back to the time our owner first joined as a director in 1996. Yes, the way they hire and fire managers is bizarre, and they've sailed close to financial ruin too, but on the field they've achieved far, far more in the last 20 years than we have. They must also benefit from having a catchment of London players which is attractive to a 24yr old with loads of cash to burn. Either on the way up or on the way down. 2 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said: 2 promotions to the Premier League, 1 automatic the other via the play-offs. 2 other play-off appearances. An FA Cup final. 2 FA Cup semi-finals. A League Cup semi-final. That's what Watford FC has achieved since our current owner became chairman/majority shareholder in 2002. Some people talk the talk, others just get on and do it. If you really want, you can add a further spell of top flight football if you go back to the time our owner first joined as a director in 1996. Yes, the way they hire and fire managers is bizarre, and they've sailed close to financial ruin too, but on the field they've achieved far, far more in the last 20 years than we have. They must also benefit from having a catchment of London players which is attractive to a 24yr old with loads of cash to burn. Either on the way up or on the way down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 Just now, fishy said: They must also benefit from having a catchment of London players which is attractive to a 24yr old with loads of cash to burn. Either on the way up or on the way down. They must also benefit from having a catchment of London players which is attractive to a 24yr old with loads of cash to burn. Either on the way up or on the way down. Bristol isn't Timbuktu! Please don't find excuses for our chronic under achievement. If the people who've been in charge of our club down the years had been any cop, and if there were more Bristolians like you and me who gave a toss about their local teams, we wouldn't be having this conversation. When you get down to the brass tacks of it, location has little to do with it. We haven't been run well enough since the year dot and there aren't enough of us to kick up a stink about that and demand better. End of. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishy Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: Bristol isn't Timbuktu! Please don't find excuses for our chronic under achievement. If the people who've been in charge of our club down the years had been any cop, and if there were more Bristolians like you and me who gave a toss about their local teams, we wouldn't be having this conversation. When you get down to the brass tacks of it, location has little to do with it. We haven't been run well enough since the year dot and there aren't enough of us to kick up a stink about that and demand better. End of. I feel you're more passionate about this debate than I. I hadn't attributed it to any under achievement, but was merely pointing out if we were in a bidding war for the same players then Watford's location would trump ours. I still think that true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 38 minutes ago, fishy said: I feel you're more passionate about this debate than I. I hadn't attributed it to any under achievement, but was merely pointing out if we were in a bidding war for the same players then Watford's location would trump ours. I still think that true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Wiltshire robin said: Do you mean the management team or ownership? Ownership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, frenchred said: Ownership Completely agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 55 minutes ago, fishy said: I feel you're more passionate about this debate than I. I hadn't attributed it to any under achievement, but was merely pointing out if we were in a bidding war for the same players then Watford's location would trump ours. I still think that true. That doesnt explain the relative success of Norwich, Swansea, Bournemouth etc who are all pretty much out in the sticks. I don't think location makes one jot of difference to a player joining. Money on offer is the only thing these guys take into account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said: That doesnt explain the relative success of Norwich, Swansea, Bournemouth etc who are all pretty much out in the sticks. I don't think location makes one jot of difference to a player joining. Money on offer is the only thing these guys take into account. Add Middlesbrough, Sunderland and Newcastle to that too, proper grim up there . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 14 minutes ago, Wiltshire robin said: Add Middlesbrough, Sunderland and Newcastle to that too, proper grim up there . You are joking aren't you, Newcastle is a lovely city that beats bristol in just about everything! The coastline all the way along is absolutely stunning with lots of regenerated coastal towns. Its way for us southerners to say it's grim up there, but really it's not! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 4 hours ago, Wiltshire robin said: never really in financial crisis Helps when you can have udinese pay good fees for players or take players on loan to reduce your wage bill while taking players from them cheaply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 36 minutes ago, frenchred said: You are joking aren't you, Newcastle is a lovely city that beats bristol in just about everything! The coastline all the way along is absolutely stunning with lots of regenerated coastal towns. Its way for us southerners to say it's grim up there, but really it's not! Ok maybe I was a bit over the top about Newcastle but Middlesbrough and Sunderland are pretty much like bigger versions of yate before it was redeveloped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, Wiltshire robin said: Ok maybe I was a bit over the top about Newcastle but Middlesbrough and Sunderland are pretty much like bigger versions of yate before it was redeveloped. Yep, Sunderland seafront is just like Yate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 Easy for people to say look at what they've managed with those sackings, but put another way. They came down and had parachute payments, they then got players on the cheap from other clubs owned by the Pozzo family to get promoted again. They've then had parachute payments each time they've come down again since. Is it really a surprise they've been up and down so often? In fact it's arguable that had they had some stability they could have got up and got themselves established like a Brighton. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, East End Old Boy said: Yep, Sunderland seafront is just like Yate! This beach is in port Talbot , doesnt mean port Talbot is not a shithole . Edited October 3, 2021 by Wiltshire robin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 hour ago, frenchred said: You are joking aren't you, Newcastle is a lovely city that beats bristol in just about everything! The coastline all the way along is absolutely stunning with lots of regenerated coastal towns. Its way for us southerners to say it's grim up there, but really it's not! Agree about Newcastle, fantastic city. However; there are many more grim places up north to take their place, Leeds, Sheffield, Blackburn, Burnley, Bolton to name just a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 Some bright spark on another forum has said that by 2030 you won't be more than 10 yards away from someone that used to manage Watford. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 5 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said: I'd bite your hand off for a bit of yo-yo action! just for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 2 hours ago, fishy said: I feel you're more passionate about this debate than I. I hadn't attributed it to any under achievement, but was merely pointing out if we were in a bidding war for the same players then Watford's location would trump ours. I still think that true. No , Watford’s footballing success would outdo the pros and cons of location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepywall Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 I read today that Watford have had 12 managers since 2012...West Ham have only had 24 managers since 1902..not sure what my point is !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 21 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: just for you. Cheers Major! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 hour ago, frenchred said: You are joking aren't you, Newcastle is a lovely city that beats bristol in just about everything! The coastline all the way along is absolutely stunning with lots of regenerated coastal towns. Its way for us southerners to say it's grim up there, but really it's not! Went to Newcastle for the first time recently - I was hugely disappointed. Quite nice around the riverside, otherwise, meh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 6 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said: So you think we wouldn't be a yo-yo club if we ever achieve this much talked-about, but highly elusive, promotion to the Premier League??? I'd bite your hand off for a bit of yo-yo action! Bangkok 1980s. You had to be there. I wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 6 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said: Seems to work for them though. Ranieri in talks apparently Expensive way to run a club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Wiltshire robin said: This beach is in port Talbot , doesnt mean port Talbot is not a shithole . I know both well, something you obviously don’t! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, East End Old Boy said: I know both well, something you obviously don’t! Yeh you’re right port Talbot is such a beautiful place 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 hour ago, The Gasbuster said: Agree about Newcastle, fantastic city. However; there are many more grim places up north to take their place, Leeds, Sheffield, Blackburn, Burnley, Bolton to name just a few. I'll give you Blackburn and Burnley, don't know about Bolton, but Leeds and Sheffield are ok imo (especially Sheffield). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Lrrr said: Helps when you can have udinese pay good fees for players or take players on loan to reduce your wage bill while taking players from them cheaply. Then perhaps Steve needs another football club somewhere overseas with whom he can get around some of the many obstacles to success he appears to find insurmountable. Get rid of the rugby club - who's he going to buy or sell from/to Bris rugby (actually, Bakes/Joe Joyce swap deal, that might work ....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 4 hours ago, GrahamC said: I say this a lot about Brentford, some teams do it differently from others & copying it simply wouldn’t work. They have undoubtedly been far more successful than us, this works for them, I doubt it would for us. Who do we copy, though? We have to copy someone (getting it right). Steve has referenced Norwich (can see us copying them in the Prem, were we ever to get there) and Burnley. It's not like Steve's going to bring an original or unique approach to all this, or come up with an idea that works that no-one has previously thought of or implemented successfully. We need to copy someone. Who is it to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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