Better Red Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 As we start to move towards the window in January it’s clear the squad is to light to sustain a season of championship football. Players coming back won’t help us this year we just don’t have any. Williams will help as will Seyemyo but that’s it. Not getting a few loans in the summer is costing us now and it looks a bad decision now as it did then. We are short at least 4 to give us a chance of being not just competitive but staying up. Left back - I don’t think we have one at the club. Prefer Pring as an option in midfield and JD is just not up to it. Holding midfielder - James is to good and important to play that role same for Massengo they need to play further forward. Also we need to allow our fullbacks to get further forward and even dare i say overlap. Striker - goes without saying. Last night we ended without one the pitch and that played a big part in Forest playing so far forward as not much to worry them about defending. winger - we need someone who can carry the ball with pace and take us up the pitch and also push the opposition back. An Albert type player someone who actually has pace and can take on a fullback. Could have written this in the summer and it’s even more obvious now so I’m not calming to be a football genius. But if most of the supporters can see it then not sure why the manager and the club can’t - I hope they do. Palmer, Simpson, Bakinson and King add very little or nothing to the team so please move them on could also throw in COD but still need a few bodies. If we don’t make these signings in January loan or perm then pretty sure we are going to finish in the bottom six if not lower. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 Would finishing lower than the bottom 6 mean top in L1 and therefore promotion? Get the champagne on ice! 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 I think we are desperate for some loans in January to give our squad the right balance. Hopefully there are experienced players not getting gametime at other clubs that we can persuade to come here. I want a striker with a physical presence to lighten the load piled up on Martin. Also a defensive midfielder and a wide player. Palmer and Bakinson can go out on loan. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westex red Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, mozo said: I think we are desperate for some loans in January to give our squad the right balance. Hopefully there are experienced players not getting gametime at other clubs that we can persuade to come here. I want a striker with a physical presence to lighten the load piled up on Martin. Also a defensive midfielder and a wide player. Palmer and Bakinson can go out on loan. Any midfield would be wonderful, we haven't got anything that resembles one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 31 minutes ago, Better Red said: As we start to move towards the window in January it’s clear the squad is to light to sustain a season of championship football. Players coming back won’t help us this year we just don’t have any. Williams will help as will Seyemyo but that’s it. Not getting a few loans in the summer is costing us now and it looks a bad decision now as it did then. We are short at least 4 to give us a chance of being not just competitive but staying up. Left back - I don’t think we have one at the club. Prefer Pring as an option in midfield and JD is just not up to it. Holding midfielder - James is to good and important to play that role same for Massengo they need to play further forward. Also we need to allow our fullbacks to get further forward and even dare i say overlap. Striker - goes without saying. Last night we ended without one the pitch and that played a big part in Forest playing so far forward as not much to worry them about defending. winger - we need someone who can carry the ball with pace and take us up the pitch and also push the opposition back. An Albert type player someone who actually has pace and can take on a fullback. Could have written this in the summer and it’s even more obvious now so I’m not calming to be a football genius. But if most of the supporters can see it then not sure why the manager and the club can’t - I hope they do. Palmer, Simpson, Bakinson and King add very little or nothing to the team so please move them on could also throw in COD but still need a few bodies. If we don’t make these signings in January loan or perm then pretty sure we are going to finish in the bottom six if not lower. You honestly think that the team currently in 13th is "At least 4 players short of having *a chance* of staying up"? Personally I still don't have any major worries about relegation. I'm confident that there's at least 3 teams worse than us. IMO we should aim to avoid business in January if possible - it's a dreadful market to try and buy in. If something happens to come up then great, but chances are that we'd have to pay over the odds for what we'd want. That includes loans too, which have many associated fees that fans often forget about - they're not free. Unless things go south and we really are looking in big trouble, then I'm happy for us to hold out until next summer for signings. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken George Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 This squad needs pace, ball retention, composure, creativity and steel. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstart Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said: IMO we should aim to avoid business in January if possible - it's a dreadful market to try and buy in. If something happens to come up then great, but chances are that we'd have to pay over the odds for what we'd want. That includes loans too, which have many associated fees that fans often forget about - they're not free. Unless things go south and we really are looking in big trouble, then I'm happy for us to hold out until next summer for signings. I agree with you about the January market being dreadful and I also believe there are 3 worse teams than us. My concern though is if we actually finished just above the relegation zone it will affect the quality of the players we could attract in the summer. I think we really do need to get a couple of signings in the Jan window, we have to give ourselves the best chance of finishing as high up the league as we can this season, which will hopefully help us with the quality of the summer signings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, Redstart said: I agree with you about the January market being dreadful and I also believe there are 3 worse teams than us. My concern though is if we actually finished just above the relegation zone it will affect the quality of the players we could attract in the summer. I think we really do need to get a couple of signings in the Jan window, we have to give ourselves the best chance of finishing as high up the league as we can this season, which will hopefully help us with the quality of the summer signings. I see where you're coming from - we have become a significantly less attractive prospect in the space of the last year. That does concern/depress me too. However, money is (and will continue to be) SO tight that making a couple of signings in January may prevent us from being able to do any notable business in summer anyway. If we were to make signings in Jan they'd almost certainly have to be Tanner types - players for very low fees who we don't expect to have an immediate impact (I appreciate Tanner's impact has come sooner than we might have expected). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better Red Posted October 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 25 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said: You honestly think that the team currently in 13th is "At least 4 players short of having *a chance* of staying up"? Personally I still don't have any major worries about relegation. I'm confident that there's at least 3 teams worse than us. IMO we should aim to avoid business in January if possible - it's a dreadful market to try and buy in. If something happens to come up then great, but chances are that we'd have to pay over the odds for what we'd want. That includes loans too, which have many associated fees that fans often forget about - they're not free. Unless things go south and we really are looking in big trouble, then I'm happy for us to hold out until next summer for signings. Yes very sure. We are staring a relegation fight if we don’t recruit. Give it another 6 games and the table will show us where we are. I will be amazed if we are more than 3 or 4 points above the team in the last relegation place then hopefully we will all release where we are. We are short of players in few roles which is causing problems in selections and in substitutions. Like I said we don’t really have anyone to come back from injury so with one or two more injuries the squad looks wafer thin at best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posset red Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 We need a Paterson guys on fire another goal and assist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 32 minutes ago, Enter Sandman said: This squad needs pace, ball retention, composure, creativity and steel. Jesus is there anything it doesn't need?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 9 hours ago, Posset red said: We need a Paterson guys on fire another goal and assist Until he goes missing for 5 or 6 games. His ability was never in doubt. An in form Paterson is a great player at this level. Unfortunately an in form Paterson is also quite rare. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 10 hours ago, westex red said: Any midfield would be wonderful, we haven't got anything that resembles one! Massengo. 10 hours ago, Enter Sandman said: This squad needs pace, ball retention, composure, creativity and steel. and coaching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 10 hours ago, Enter Sandman said: This squad needs pace, ball retention, composure, creativity and steel. That applies to all clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 10 hours ago, Posset red said: We need a Paterson guys on fire another goal and assist In good form he may well be but i can guarantee he can’t/won’t keep it up. We all saw him show glimpses here of being a top class championship player but for whatever reason he cannot consistently do it. Fair play to him and Swansea if they can get consistency out of his game but i just don’t see it happening especially when he bas never done it in his career to date. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 We def need some pace this must be the slowest City team i can remember. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Love, sweet love It's the only thing that there's just too little of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 I think the reality is that the team that we all expected to be a lower midtable team in a season of transition has proven to be a lower midtable team in a season of transition. We need to turn around our home form and we need Williams, Massengo and Semenyo fit. O'Dowda and Palmer are going nowhere unless somebody agrees to pay their wages, let alone a fee. I'm guessing Simpson and King are here as low cost cover options. Moving them on is all well and good but we'd need to replace them AND stay within budget. I don't think anyone - either in terms of fans or the management of the club - is under any illusions about where the weaknesses of the team lie. I don't think addressing those weaknesses whilst staying within budget is anywhere near as easy as some supporters think. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Football Manager and FIFA have so, so much to answer for. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgy Red Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 17 hours ago, Enter Sandman said: This squad needs pace, ball retention, composure, creativity and steel. Thats basically a completely different squad then! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 17 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said: Jesus is there anything it doesn't need?! It needs a home win 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Alligator Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 To be functioning as best as it can, in it's various forms, until NP can rebuild completely. He started, so lets hope the owner backs him appropriately. Otherwise, he's likely to walk, in my opinion. Which would be a sad reflection on the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 hour ago, LondonBristolian said: I think the reality is that the team that we all expected to be a lower midtable team in a season of transition has proven to be a lower midtable team in a season of transition. We need to turn around our home form and we need Williams, Massengo and Semenyo fit. O'Dowda and Palmer are going nowhere unless somebody agrees to pay their wages, let alone a fee. I'm guessing Simpson and King are here as low cost cover options. Moving them on is all well and good but we'd need to replace them AND stay within budget. I don't think anyone - either in terms of fans or the management of the club - is under any illusions about where the weaknesses of the team lie. I don't think addressing those weaknesses whilst staying within budget is anywhere near as easy as some supporters think. May as well copy this answer as it’s going to need to be used time and time again. People just don’t or don’t want to get what this season is about unfortunately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 18 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said: Jesus is there anything it doesn't need?! Leadership? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 19 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said: Jesus is there anything it doesn't need?! A cross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken George Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 11 hours ago, Robbored said: That applies to all clubs. It does. Most of them have at least one or more of those traits. We have none of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 hour ago, alexukhc said: A cross We all have our crosses to bear. Ours is the City! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 On 20/10/2021 at 20:05, Better Red said: As we start to move towards the window in January it’s clear the squad is to light to sustain a season of championship football. Players coming back won’t help us this year we just don’t have any. Williams will help as will Seyemyo but that’s it. Not getting a few loans in the summer is costing us now and it looks a bad decision now as it did then. We are short at least 4 to give us a chance of being not just competitive but staying up. Left back - I don’t think we have one at the club. Prefer Pring as an option in midfield and JD is just not up to it. Holding midfielder - James is to good and important to play that role same for Massengo they need to play further forward. Also we need to allow our fullbacks to get further forward and even dare i say overlap. Striker - goes without saying. Last night we ended without one the pitch and that played a big part in Forest playing so far forward as not much to worry them about defending. winger - we need someone who can carry the ball with pace and take us up the pitch and also push the opposition back. An Albert type player someone who actually has pace and can take on a fullback. Could have written this in the summer and it’s even more obvious now so I’m not calming to be a football genius. But if most of the supporters can see it then not sure why the manager and the club can’t - I hope they do. Palmer, Simpson, Bakinson and King add very little or nothing to the team so please move them on could also throw in COD but still need a few bodies. If we don’t make these signings in January loan or perm then pretty sure we are going to finish in the bottom six if not lower. Isn't it the case that Lansdown will not fund it. He has done the same with the Bears. They lost two England internationals who played massive roles last season and neither were replaced. They made no significant signings at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 I would suggest that NP still isn’t quite sure which combination of players gives the right balance between any sort of an attack and being able to defend. Can you have Wells, Martin and Weimann as a front 3? What is our best midfield combination if all the players were fit? Do we need 2 or 3 central defenders? I still think having Bentley as captain is the wrong call as well. Usually you would say a goalkeeper isn’t involved much in the game, so it’s not a good idea. In Bentley’s case, he is too regularly having to focus so much on his own performance to even keep us in games that again it doesn’t seem a good fit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 7 hours ago, Dr Balls said: I would suggest that NP still isn’t quite sure which combination of players gives the right balance between any sort of an attack and being able to defend. Can you have Wells, Martin and Weimann as a front 3? What is our best midfield combination if all the players were fit? Do we need 2 or 3 central defenders? I still think having Bentley as captain is the wrong call as well. Usually you would say a goalkeeper isn’t involved much in the game, so it’s not a good idea. In Bentley’s case, he is too regularly having to focus so much on his own performance to even keep us in games that again it doesn’t seem a good fit. If that is the case, it’s pretty damning on Pearson. The lack of leadership on the field is plain to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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