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I've always felt like Simpson/Downing leaving was a matter of if not when after this. They were brought in, probably sold the dream of being 'joint assistants' under an 'up and coming exciting young manager' at a big potential project. Leave their England roles for it. 

Fast forward 6 months, everything is a shambles and Simpson is left as the 'lead' person to temporarily try and get us out. This interview is just a huge "what the **** have I done?" cry out. Do wonder if Pearson coming in, bringing in his own men (above them) has maybe made the two of them pretty deflated and lose a bit of motivation as it's in no way what they were signing up for...?

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4 minutes ago, petehinton said:

I've always felt like Simpson/Downing leaving was a matter of if not when after this. They were brought in, probably sold the dream of being 'joint assistants' under an 'up and coming exciting young manager' at a big potential project. Leave their England roles for it. 

Fast forward 6 months, everything is a shambles and Simpson is left as the 'lead' person to temporarily try and get us out. This interview is just a huge "what the **** have I done?" cry out. Do wonder if Pearson coming in, bringing in his own men (above them) has maybe made the two of them pretty deflated and lose a bit of motivation as it's in no way what they were signing up for...?

Don't know why but this line made me laugh. It truly was absolutely shambles and we shouldn't easily forget what a shitshow that was served up. 

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12 minutes ago, petehinton said:

I've always felt like Simpson/Downing leaving was a matter of if not when after this. They were brought in, probably sold the dream of being 'joint assistants' under an 'up and coming exciting young manager' at a big potential project. Leave their England roles for it. 

Fast forward 6 months, everything is a shambles and Simpson is left as the 'lead' person to temporarily try and get us out. This interview is just a huge "what the **** have I done?" cry out. Do wonder if Pearson coming in, bringing in his own men (above them) has maybe made the two of them pretty deflated and lose a bit of motivation as it's in no way what they were signing up for...?

Completely agree. 

I am sure many of us have seen similar situations in our professional lives. 

 

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Absolutely can’t speak for what goes on behind the scenes but i like to get in the ground early and watch the warm up and even to my uneducated eye it looked like Simpson and Fleming were essentially doing the same thing so guess it was only a matter of time 

I wish him well for the future and hopefully he remains healthy and comes back into the game in some capacity 

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19 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

I think Downing was brought in as the defensive coach and Simpson attacking.

Not sure how it works now. Downing used to be up in the stands under Holden whereas now it seems to be Pearson + a young looking man who is probably some sort of performance analyst with a laptop. Or I guess it's just that young man when Nige is in the dugout.

I read somewhere about Downing being obsessed with every little detail in our defence when we concede a goal. So yeah seems like that's more his role.

It frustrates me seeing how bad we often are in possession, but I also completely agree with you on the defensive side. For the players we have we look really vulnerable and surely something that can be improved with good coaching on the training ground.

Keeping possession better though probably only helps our defence. It's such a shame as we have 2 very mobile centre backs in Kalas and Atkinson so we could play a high line and play some good stuff, taking some risks as we have pace to cope well in one on ones if teams break.

NP is very much an old school, traditional football manager and less of a coach, nothing wrong with that per say (Ferguson at Utd) but it is therefore crucial that the correct coaching staff are in place to convert his ideas into practice on the grass. 

Best case scenario here  is that NP has the correct ideas but they are not being carried out correctly by the coaching, staff hence the current mess on match day.

Worst case is that ......... well.

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9 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

I think Downing was brought in as the defensive coach and Simpson attacking.

Not sure how it works now. Downing used to be up in the stands under Holden whereas now it seems to be Pearson + a young looking man who is probably some sort of performance analyst with a laptop. Or I guess it's just that young man when Nige is in the dugout.

I read somewhere about Downing being obsessed with every little detail in our defence when we concede a goal. So yeah seems like that's more his role.

It frustrates me seeing how bad we often are in possession, but I also completely agree with you on the defensive side. For the players we have we look really vulnerable and surely something that can be improved with good coaching on the training ground.

Keeping possession better though probably only helps our defence. It's such a shame as we have 2 very mobile centre backs in Kalas and Atkinson so we could play a high line and play some good stuff, taking some risks as we have pace to cope well in one on ones if teams break.

If   Downing IS the Defensive coach?  Then he also needs to be replaced IMHO.  With the players we now have available in our defensive squad, we should be so much better organised and solid.  The priority to work as a unit at the rear should be being drummed into the back line, which as a force of habit, constantly play too deep.  It is the responsibility of the defensive coach to drill, organise and create a strong defence, and make certain they learn deep seated habits and work hard.  Improvement is needed at the back in decision making and organisation.  Some of the goals we have conceded this season have been poor to say the least.

I appreciate a team defends from the front, and that the forwards and midfielders need to contribute to the cause, but the specialist defenders in the team have to learn when to tackle and when to close down....lessons which have not been learnt, as shown by Forest's 2nd goal.

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

And…if it was health reasons, they’d (OS) have said so.

I really don’t see why some posters think it’s anything other that Pearson not wanting him. That’s not trying to be ITK, but reality of the situation, hence mutual termination.

Good luck to Simmo btw. 

Because you alluded to knowing more, people speculated.

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1 hour ago, JonDolman said:

Hope he finds a new job and he is well. Seems like a good guy, speaks well and with a lot of enthusiasm in his interviews.

Was impressed with that England under 20s team Simpson managed that won the world cup. Think I watched every game. Had them playing good stuff.

Always seemed a bit of a weird one bringing him in if the reason was he was proven at England youth levels. He did have a lot of quality there to pick from and it's not really anything like championship football or the job of a coach or assistant manager at championship level.

Indeed, and I was curious as to why, when PS returned from his medical absence, he wasn't given more of a role with the youngsters, especially as Curtis Fleming seemed to have usurped his previous role. 

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3 hours ago, Bristol Rob said:

My predictions.

1. If we win our next home game, the usual reactionary posters will decide that Simpson was the problem.

2. If we don't win the next home game, the usual reactionary posters will decide that Simpson could have been the solution.

3. Regardless of the result of our next home game, the usual reactionary posters will remind us that 'Pembo' was the best coach we ever had, but go weirdly silent when asked what it was like to be coached by him.

Welcome to OTIB.

Personally think Benny wasn't given a chance......

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1 hour ago, petehinton said:

I've always felt like Simpson/Downing leaving was a matter of if not when after this. They were brought in, probably sold the dream of being 'joint assistants' under an 'up and coming exciting young manager' at a big potential project. Leave their England roles for it. 

Fast forward 6 months, everything is a shambles and Simpson is left as the 'lead' person to temporarily try and get us out. This interview is just a huge "what the **** have I done?" cry out. Do wonder if Pearson coming in, bringing in his own men (above them) has maybe made the two of them pretty deflated and lose a bit of motivation as it's in no way what they were signing up for...?

Apparently both were due to leave at the expiry of their contracts, so not quite the "jumping ship for glory" move it was sold to us as by Mr Ashton.

Working in senior football at a C'ship club (top 10 at the time!) is more prestigious, and well-paid, than working in youth football for the FA - even if it is for the national side.

It was a good move for the pair of them, and an offer they wouldn't have got from any other club at this level, and for that, they and us have Mr Ashton to thank. 

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49 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

It seems a lot have said Pearson is of that type.

Disagree a bit about Fergie though. Thought he seemed to be an excellent tactician but with maybe old school, traditional values.

The game has probably moved on quite a bit since Fergie was manager of United. Though he might well have adapted like I'm sure he did in his long career as the game must have evolved a lot in that time as I'm sure he did.

 

Yep if Pearson leaves it down to Downing then of course bring someone else in instead..but it's also down to Pearson to know he's not up to it and to have done it before now.

All the right ideas, but not necessarily in the right order?

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1 hour ago, VT05763 said:

NP is very much an old school, traditional football manager and less of a coach, nothing wrong with that per say (Ferguson at Utd) but it is therefore crucial that the correct coaching staff are in place to convert his ideas into practice on the grass. 

Best case scenario here  is that NP has the correct ideas but they are not being carried out correctly by the coaching, staff hence the current mess on match day.

Worst case is that ......... well.

All the right ideas, but not necessarily in the right order?

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1 hour ago, JonDolman said:

It seems a lot have said Pearson is of that type.

Disagree a bit about Fergie though. Thought he seemed to be an excellent tactician but with maybe old school, traditional values.

The game has probably moved on quite a bit since Fergie was manager of United. Though he might well have adapted like I'm sure he did in his long career as the game must have evolved a lot in that time as I'm sure 

Towards the end of his time at Man Utd Ferguson mainly delegated all the coaching to his staff. He was more hands-on earlier on his career though.

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5 hours ago, Robbored said:

Nonsense. It’s all wild speculation and rumour.

Very few, if any posters on here any ‘inside’ knowledge. 

How can you possibly say that. Time and time again people have posted information, yes information not rumour that went on to be proven fact. I expect also that many people out of respect for their sources don’t post everything they hear, I certainly don’t.

But then again I don’t expect you to take what I say as fact, after all I don’t publish it on the OS.

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