The Dolman Pragmatist Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 Interesting stats. In games in which they have started/not started, results are as follows: Pring started: W5 D3 L2 not started: W0 D1 L5 Dasilva started: W1 D2 L6 not started: W4 D2 L1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepywall Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 Dasilva been a very disappointing signing in my opinion. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 Interesting, but completely unsurprising. Dasilva has been a major disappointment, and to think we all thought we'd mugged Chelsea by only paying £2m for him. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevedon Red Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 Jay has been off the pace for the last few games and last night he was torn a new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 Said on another thread I think he is so overated and easily targeted by the opposition. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Dasilva has been a major disappointment, and to think we all thought we'd mugged Chelsea by only paying £2m for him. He was terrific on loan, well the 2nd half the season. Hasn't come back from the injury, is it confidence? Is it coaching? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad blit Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 I said to someone the other day that Pring had really impressed me this season, he had one bad game when he was moved back to left back (can’t rem who against) and hasn’t really featured since. One of the few players that can actually take a player on and put in a good cross, plus works really hard down left hand side and offers good protection to left back. I think having Pring infront on JD would really helps JD game as he’s obviously a talent but like most his form has been off for couple seasons. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red7 Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 While I partly agree with the sentiment, the comparison is a little misleading in that Pring hasn't been played in his 'normal' position of left back as much as Dasilva. Not sure of the exact stats on that (sure someone will oblige), but I'm sure that's the case. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Selred said: He was terrific on loan, well the 2nd half the season. Yeah, he was. Unlike Palmer who we still went on to spunk £3m on. 3 minutes ago, brad blit said: I think having Pring infront on JD would really helps JD game as he’s obviously a talent but like most his form has been off for couple seasons. Did this at Reading away and both of them did play well. Edited November 3, 2021 by Kid in the Riot 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 I thought until he picked up an injury v Millwall, Jay was starting to find form again. OP - just thought I’d share the game by game / position by position breakdown. For info, Cam has started 3 games at LB for City, 1 at LWB, 6 at LM/W. Baker played some at LB when Cam was LM/W. From a physical perspective I definitely see the advantages of Pring. As for Saturday, I’d go Baker LB, Pring LM/W…..but I’d pick Pring over Dasilva at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Yeah, he was. Unlike Palmer who we still went on to spunk £3m on. 7 minutes ago, brad blit said: Never made any sense that deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad blit Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I thought until he picked up an injury v Millwall, Jay was starting to find form again. OP - just thought I’d share the game by game / position by position breakdown. For info, Cam has started 3 games at LB for City, 1 at LWB, 6 at LM/W. Baker played some at LB when Cam was LM/W. From a physical perspective I definitely see the advantages of Pring. As for Saturday, I’d go Baker LB, Pring LM/W…..but I’d pick Pring over Dasilva at this point. Dave - do you think Baker at left back is a good idea? Square pegs in Circular holes and all that…… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Yeah, he was. Unlike Palmer who we still went on to spunk £3m on. Yepp, we can't really complain that we didn't know what we were getting with Palmer (as if the Palmer saga wasn't already frustrating enough) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, Selred said: Never made any sense that deal. Yet wasn’t it so exciting? Signing three Chelsea youngsters who essentially made the spine of a new team to build around. One looks an expensive flop. Another is an expensive good player who doesn’t perform for us. And the last is an expensive tea cosy. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, brad blit said: Dave - do you think Baker at left back is a good idea? Square pegs in Circular holes and all that…… Yes, because I think he’s looked fine playing their this season, and he brings physicality to our starting eleven. Means you have an extra “big un” for defensive and attacking set-pieces….which in some respects means you can rest Martin. A slightly different comparison view - goals for and against whilst a player is on the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 punk Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 did we pay 14 million in total for the three chelsea players ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 minute ago, 77 punk said: did we pay 14 million in total for the three chelsea players ? As near as dammit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 29 minutes ago, Selred said: He was terrific on loan, well the 2nd half the season. Hasn't come back from the injury, is it confidence? Is it coaching? It's more likely that he just isn't the same player he was before his injury. It happens all the time, and he's a shadow of his old self. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Fox Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 In reality none of our full backs are good enough for Championship football, Pring and Tanner have potential, but not for two games a week, DaSilva and the bloody useless Simpson are just not good enough. If we have any ambition, as a club, to avoid relegation we must bring in experienced replacements for RB and LB positions In January Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Fox Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Grey Fox said: In reality none of our full backs are good enough for Championship football, Pring and Tanner have potential, but not for two games a week, DaSilva and the bloody useless Simpson are just not good enough. If we have any ambition, as a club, to avoid relegation we must bring in experienced replacements for RB and LB positions In January Of course, in League One next season Pring and Tanner will be fine, if that is the plan. And yes, I am seriously pi….Ed off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footie Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 It wasn't too long ago that Dasilva was regarded as one of the best LB's in the league, I'm not sure what the solution is but definitely wouldn't give up on him just yet. He has that bit of class about him and feel he will start firing again with a bit of confidence. As others have said, a left side of Dasilva with Pring in front could be the answer long term, this looked fairly strong earlier in the season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 23 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Dasilva has been quite disappointing this season. I think it's a bit like Pato in that he's not really suited to Pearson tactics, we are unlikely to see the best of him playing in this team. I imagine if a team like Swansea signed him from us then their fans would be raving about him! Looking at player performances in general, many could and should do better. Even people starting to wonder if Matty James is good enough. Well he looked quality for Coventry and apparently was very good for Barnsley before that. Seems to be a bit of a pattern here. Pring gets back in when 100% I think. A pattern of sign for Bristol city and play absolutely crap and be inconsistent.. How many players have we signed since Johnson walked through the door up until Pearson. The turn over is incredible. Johnson must of signed at least 5 X starting 11 squads in his period 60 odd players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red7 Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Red7 said: While I partly agree with the sentiment, the comparison is a little misleading in that Pring hasn't been played in his 'normal' position of left back as much as Dasilva. Not sure of the exact stats on that (sure someone will oblige), but I'm sure that's the case. 59 minutes ago, Davefevs said: OP - just thought I’d share the game by game / position by position breakdown. For info, Cam has started 3 games at LB for City, 1 at LWB, 6 at LM/W. Baker played some at LB when Cam was LM/W. And I was also fairly sure that the someone would be @Davefevs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 DaSilva since being injured has lost all pace, he is continually be skinned by wingers now, he always had a problem with his height, but that coupled now with lack of pace makes him a liability at LB. If he plays at all, then it would be in front or Pring, but you may as well play Odowda who offers more going forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 I actually think Dasilva has been ok, not a world beater but ok. His availability record this season has been decent, too. I’m not as convinced as others about him defensively (he got a chasing from Jordan Graham first half last night) but at the time we bought him £2m was relatively little. I’d rather see him playing in front of Pring or Baker but am not about to write him off. I’m struggling with the comment above about the 3 Chelsea players though, Palmer has been a flop, but for me Kalas certainly has not & at 23 I’m not giving up on Dasilva yet. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) I did say back in May that Pring was better than JD - and some laughed, ha ha. Edited November 3, 2021 by Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, GrahamC said: I actually think Dasilva has been ok, not a world beater but ok. His availability record this season has been decent, too. I’m not as convinced as others about him defensively (he got a chasing from Jordan Graham first half last night) but at the time we bought him £2m was relatively little. I’d rather see him playing in front of Pring or Baker but am not about to write him off. I’m struggling with the comment above about the 3 Chelsea players though, Palmer has been a flop, but for me Kalas certainly has not & at 23 I’m not giving up on Dasilva yet. Dasilva has had an awful time with injuries and that has to be seen as part of the context. I think he has struggled this season but we've seen that - before his injuries - he looked very good at this level and I certainly agree it would be a mistake to write off a 23 year old. The club really need to look at how to get him back to his previous level though and, at the moment, Pring or a fit Baker have to be ahead of him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Harry said: Didn't take long did it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 Surprised at just how much criticism Dasilva is coming in for here. His injuries have obviously set him back a bit, but he's far from a bad player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Red Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 Pring for me Dasilva too light weight and gets targeted with the high ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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