Never to the dark side Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 Even at half time it was 32/68 in Derbys favour,thoughts any one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 Well Sky agree with the possession, it didn’t seem quite that way at the time ut we often flourish when the opposition enjoy more possession Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crackers Corner Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 Is it where it is territorial Advantage so in the ball was Derby's half? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, ralphindevon said: Well Sky agree with the possession, it didn’t seem quite that way at the time ut we often flourish when the opposition enjoy more possession What part of being 17th in the league classes as "flourishing"..?! We return this level of percentage stat game after game and its terrible (despite yesterday's result) you can't conceded that much possession, consistently, and flourish...! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 @Davefevs has posted a map of Derby`s passing on another thread. the overwhelming amount of it was in their own half. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyClapper Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 Alternatively, you could argue that possession in your own half is pretty pointless. Possession for possession’s sake. We had less of the ball but were in their half for almost 60% of the game. I know we are not a great side, but that was the most comfortable we’ve been at home all season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 Particularly in the first half, most of Derby’s possession was in and around their own penalty area. Lots of possession but totally meaningless. I never take much notice of possession stats as, without context, they don’t tell the whole story 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 16 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: What part of being 17th in the league classes as "flourishing"..?! We return this level of percentage stat game after game and its terrible (despite yesterday's result) you can't conceded that much possession, consistently, and flourish...! I’m no stat expert but I’ve noticed in most of our wins we’ve had less possession, Stoke was similar to yesterday, Barnsley had most but a lot of it isn’t dangerous possession and if we get ahead, now we’re better at not imploding at the end, things are looking better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 They had a lot more of the ball but we carried the much greater threat in the first half and we weren't that threatened in the 2nd although when it's only 1-0...the Morrison chance at the end- that phase of play I thought a bit of a worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 I was amazed at the number of times they went backwards to retain possession. Their keeper must have had more touches than anyone in their defensive line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 We should have gone in three up at ht and on another day would have. Possession stats are ok but pointless possession means nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 Just now, REDOXO said: We should have gone in three up at ht and on another day would have. Possession stats are ok but pointless possession means nothing. As we are only too aware after watching the SOD years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, ralphindevon said: I’m no stat expert but I’ve noticed in most of our wins we’ve had less possession, Stoke was similar to yesterday, Barnsley had most but a lot of it isn’t dangerous possession and if we get ahead, now we’re better at not imploding at the end, things are looking better. It’s not always the case, but if you get the first goal you can afford to let them have the ball in their half. Games change when goals are scored. Derby are a team that make lots of passes but don’t progress the ball much. They are the second slowest behind Swansea. For info Swansea are one point ahead of us. We are the 8th most direct team behind, West Brom, Birmingham, Cardiff, Millwall, Barnsley, Middlesbrough and Coventry. Coventry surprised me a bit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, marmite said: I was amazed at the number of times they went backwards to retain possession. Their keeper must have had more touches than anyone in their defensive line. Davies and Jagielka made 150 passes between them! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Davies and Jagielka made 150 passes between them! Yep most of first half they were passing between the 2 of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Davies and Jagielka made 150 passes between them! That's a hell of a lot of touches. Shows how negative they were though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 They kept pratting about passing it between defence and keeper hence they clocked up lots of passes. Nothing to see here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, marmite said: I was amazed at the number of times they went backwards to retain possession. Their keeper must have had more touches than anyone in their defensive line. Me too, I thought we were a conservative side in possession but they were something else, as others have said, their centre backs seemed to pass it to each other repeatedly without seemingly even trying to open us up, plus WTF was that short goal kick stuff all about? Bound to get caught out if they keep farting about with it in their own penalty area if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 12 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Me too, I thought we were a conservative side in possession but they were something else, as others have said, their centre backs seemed to pass it to each other repeatedly without seemingly even trying to open us up, plus WTF was that short goal kick stuff all about? Bound to get caught out if they keep farting about with it in their own penalty area if you ask me. And we should know! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 12 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Me too, I thought we were a conservative side in possession but they were something else, as others have said, their centre backs seemed to pass it to each other repeatedly without seemingly even trying to open us up, plus WTF was that short goal kick stuff all about? Bound to get caught out if they keep farting about with it in their own penalty area if you ask me. The goal kick stuff is to draw us in then to bypass us with long ball. Seemed we did our homework on this and they ended up like the Chuckle brothers, to me to you etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 That game yesterday was the most comfortable I've felt all season. We should have been out of sight by half time. Having an extra forward allowed us to press their defenders into hurried passes or, back to the keeper to lump it upfield. I cannot remember them having an attempt on goal until about the 60th minute, which was followed by about three in quick succession, then the closer one near the end. We had about three breakaway attacks in the second half where we also should have done much better. Other than that, Derby played the game in their half and penalty area in the first half and slightly further up the pitch in the second half, mostly due to us losing possession upfield in the second half. I felt as if I'd been entertained. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 Let's face it they were terrible and we were a bit better. I don't blame NP because this is our best way of getting results given this squad of players but it's so painful to watch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 I don’t think there is anything surprising in those stats. It’s the game I saw. People need to realise that we are simply not a possession based team. We don’t have talented enough players to play possession dominant football, so we instead set up to allow the opposition the ball and try to make the most of counter attacks and set pieces. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 16 minutes ago, marmite said: The goal kick stuff is to draw us in then to bypass us with long ball. Seemed we did our homework on this and they ended up like the Chuckle brothers, to me to you etc. Don’t you dare go suggesting there was a gameplan yesterday, or that some form of pre-match preparation took place. You’ll be burned at the stake! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Harry said: I don’t think there is anything surprising in those stats. It’s the game I saw. People need to realise that we are simply not a possession based team. We don’t have talented enough players to play possession dominant football, so we instead set up to allow the opposition the ball and try to make the most of counter attacks and set pieces. There is though a happy medium between the two- not that I am complaining about yesterday, definitely not but there is a mixed bag...Swansea at home, we had not far off 50% of the ball, Blackburn 1st half 55% was it, think vs Luton and Blackpool we had a reasonable amount, 50% or a bit over/under. A fit, consistently James and Williams certainly would help, Although playing a 2 in CM at this level will also see a side often concede the midfield in that regard. Think vs Preston at home we also had around 50%? OTOH vs Nottingham Forest, Stoke, Derby, 2nd half vs Blackburn yes it was down in the 30-mid 30's but definitely under 40% bracket. Playing without the ball, dunno how sustainable it is- physically and mentally draining certainly over time although some good signs at home recently. Granted we perhaps aren't a possession dominant side but at home certainly could have a bit more? In the event we get a fully fit James and Williams over a useful period- then pick one out of King, Bakinson and Massengo, perhaps mix and match that 3rd man for opposition, form, fitness etc then that feels a useful base to have more of the ball than we often do atm. Edited December 5, 2021 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Harry said: I don’t think there is anything surprising in those stats. It’s the game I saw. People need to realise that we are simply not a possession based team. We don’t have talented enough players to play possession dominant football, so we instead set up to allow the opposition the ball and try to make the most of counter attacks and set pieces. Bang on Harry. It amazes me some of our fan base still can’t grasp this. This also won’t be how we always player under NP if he’s allowed to get rid of the deadwood but he has to work with what he has. You can’t turn water into wine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 Just now, Taylor10 said: Bang on Harry. It amazes me some of our fan base still can’t grasp this. This also won’t be how we always player under NP if he’s allowed to get rid of the deadwood but he has to work with what he has. You can’t turn water into whine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 Twice as much possession but only one shot on target, half as much possession and twice as many shots on target, plus the report mentions misses by Martin, Weimann & Semenyo, so we're doing something right, and we got the game won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 It's interesting that the Morrison shot was a direct result of the only clear mistake in the match by Scott who cleared from the goal line in penalty area straight to Morrison. Not criticizing Scott but shows how one mistake could have sent us home crying. Well some would have! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 49 minutes ago, marmite said: The goal kick stuff is to draw us in then to bypass us with long ball. Seemed we did our homework on this and they ended up like the Chuckle brothers, to me to you etc. I don't fully agree with that. I think they were drawing us in to then play the ball low through our forward lines to Shinnie and Thompson who were then supposed to spray the ball out wide. They seemed to only go long reluctantly when the keeper had no other option and his kicking was pretty poor under pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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