Numero Uno Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said: What part of being 17th in the league classes as "flourishing"..?! We return this level of percentage stat game after game and its terrible (despite yesterday's result) you can't conceded that much possession, consistently, and flourish...! Did you see the stat though that 80% of Derby’s possession was in their OWN HALF of the pitch. Simply translated around 70% of the game overall in terms of possession was played in the Derby half. Yesterday our tactic of allowing Derby to have the ball resulted in Bentley having an easy afternoon. Yes, the possession stats do need to improve but don’t be fooled into thinking we somehow got battered yesterday. Using your own eyes tells you that the possession stats meant very little in a game we could have wrapped up in the first 45 minutes and that was also confirmed by Wayner!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 Some possession stats...while not possession dominant not sure we should be trending to the 30-mid 30's but certainly under 40% either. Passing accuracy in of itself can be useful but not definitive. Now granted it is a) WhoScored so the accuracy maybe variable and b) It is a varied sample size but anyway... Possession of our CMs in recent seasons prior to this- with or without us Williams- Last 3 seasons, highlighting both comfort in possession and a strong availability. 2017/18-2019/20 Barnsley- 34 games, 77,4% Bolton- 30 games, 77,7% Wigan- 38 games, 81.2% James Split season- Barnsley and Coventry in 2020/21 Barnsley- 15 games, 70% Coventry- 23 games, 78.1% Bakinson- 2020/21 Us- 34 games, 73.6%. Massengo- 2020/21 Us- 27 games, 80% Not as if we have a bunch of cloggers...not like we are possession 1st either of course! Barnsley at 70% partially explained by Ismael's style of play probably. King is hard to gauge due to his recent history but his last full season albeit at PL was split- he's had a lot of clubs and injuries etc. 2017/18- King Leicester- 11 games, 78.6% Swansea- 9 games, 84%. Granted as I say it's useful but not definitive and winning the ball back is also a key part of it, see Bakinson- better at one side than the other, whereas Williams is strong at both which would help us overall in possession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Did you see the stat though that 80% of Derby’s possession was in their OWN HALF of the pitch. Simply translated around 70% of the game overall in terms of possession was played in the Derby half. Yesterday our tactic of allowing Derby to have the ball resulted in Bentley having an easy afternoon. Yes, the possession stats do need to improve but don’t be fooled into thinking we somehow got battered yesterday. Using your own eyes tells you that the possession stats meant very little in a game we could have wrapped up in the first 45 minutes and that was also confirmed by Wayner!! Martin miss in particular- get that 2nd goal in the 1st half, another thing we need to improve on and it would have been really quite comfortable. At 1-0 you just never know...2 of their 2nd half chances weren't that far away. Edited December 5, 2021 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Martin miss in particular- get that 2nd goal in the 1st half, another thing we need to improve on and it would have been really quite comfortable. It’s not only the comfort aspect but also the confidence that comes with it. We’ve started step 1, win at home, now we have to try and move on to step 2 which is win at home comfortably. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: It’s not only the comfort aspect but also the confidence that comes with it. We’ve started step 1, win at home, now we have to try and move on to step 2 which is win at home comfortably. True- small steps...that 2nd goal would have been great for confidence too, I know Derby are bottom and struggling even without the deduction but I had the bad nagging feeling of Blackburn at home- all the while it remained 1-0, with what was Blackburn's only shot on target they equalised. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 45 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Did you see the stat though that 80% of Derby’s possession was in their OWN HALF of the pitch. Simply translated around 70% of the game overall in terms of possession was played in the Derby half. Yesterday our tactic of allowing Derby to have the ball resulted in Bentley having an easy afternoon. Yes, the possession stats do need to improve but don’t be fooled into thinking we somehow got battered yesterday. Using your own eyes tells you that the possession stats meant very little in a game we could have wrapped up in the first 45 minutes and that was also confirmed by Wayner!! Yeah, I didn't go yesterday, so you are right. Pointless possession is, well, pointless..! But it's not a 1 off that we've only seen around 30% of possession and that, in many games, will see us under pressure. It needs to be improved on. Sounds like the first half yesterday was very encouraging & Semenyo added an extra dimension to our attacking options. The 2nd half sounded familiarly poor though, which was disappointing, despite the result & very welcome 3 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: Yeah, I didn't go yesterday, so you are right. Pointless possession is, well, pointless..! But it's not a 1 off that we've only seen around 30% of possession and that, in many games, will see us under pressure. It needs to be improved on. Sounds like the first half yesterday was very encouraging & Semenyo added an extra dimension to our attacking options. The 2nd half sounded familiarly poor though, which was disappointing, despite the result & very welcome 3 points. Oh yeah, we need to look after the ball better if we are ahead in the second half of games when teams need to come at us. It’s a double whammy in that teams can’t score without the ball and in their desperation to get it back as the game wears on they will have to press more and leave gaps for us to break on them. For a team that relies on counter attacking it’s vital we improve that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 Reason it worked for us yesterday, is because we took the lead. Derby tried to pull us forward to create gaps. We stood fast. It would have bee a different story if we were losing or looking for a goal. The facts are...if you are out of possession you are having to work physically and mentally harder. Said before...it's no coincidence we've conceded many times at the end of games. Players are physically and mentally tired. We did well out of possession yesterday, but it massively helped being a goal up. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 28 minutes ago, spudski said: Reason it worked for us yesterday, is because we took the lead. Derby tried to pull us forward to create gaps. We stood fast. It would have bee a different story if we were losing or looking for a goal. The facts are...if you are out of possession you are having to work physically and mentally harder. Said before...it's no coincidence we've conceded many times at the end of games. Players are physically and mentally tired. We did well out of possession yesterday, but it massively helped being a goal up. 1st goal in Championship is massively important. If anything, City have bucked the trend losing late goals. You are right though about working harder w/o the ball. Next step in our progression is to keep the ball when under pressure and take the sting out of any control the opposition may have. Out of interest, I track how many minutes we spend winning, drawing and losing each game. We currently stand at: Winning: 24 mins Drawing: 43 mins Losing: 23 mins 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderJar Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 16 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said: @Davefevs has posted a map of Derby`s passing on another thread. the overwhelming amount of it was in their own half. This was actually quite funny, at one point in the second half they had a throw in. The ball went out level with our penalty area, but they decided to take it nearer halfway. Two passes later it was back with their goalkeeper. Surely when going for an equaliser this is taking possession based football to a strange extreme? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 17 hours ago, REDOXO said: We should have gone in three up at ht and on another day would have. Possession stats are ok but pointless possession means nothing. Sorry but this is Bristol City we are talking about. I think the last time we were 3 up at half time was against nearly-relegated Sunderland back in 2018 - and we ended up drawing that game 3-3. We don't do goals. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 Talking of "I Can't Believe"?................The Championship Team of the Week" Has FOUR Luton Town players in it, Plus Nathan Jones as Manager of the Week? Hmmmm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 3 hours ago, CiderJar said: This was actually quite funny, at one point in the second half they had a throw in. The ball went out level with our penalty area, but they decided to take it nearer halfway. Two passes later it was back with their goalkeeper. Surely when going for an equaliser this is taking possession based football to a strange extreme? Don't worry we also did that in the first half. Except we took ours from the correct place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, bcfcredandwhite said: Sorry but this is Bristol City we are talking about. I think the last time we were 3 up at half time was against nearly-relegated Sunderland back in 2018 - and we ended up drawing that game 3-3. We don't do goals. We were hanging on in that one. If we ever needed a wake up call ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 2 poor teams in possession, the one that had the most possession lost. Easy answer for us - don't touch the ball! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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