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9 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Come to the last page just out of curiosity because it was hot to see if@Harryhas had a Christmas tipple or two or just a angry young man who gets his info on social media,haven’t decided yet so carry on …

 Curiosity clearly got the better of you then and you decided to post anyway. Well done. And welcome to your education. 

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22 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Fear is a powerful currency, for sure. I wonder if you realise that yours, and others, reaction to these restrictions/laws is also driven by a fundamental fear - as detailed in your post - of a creep of restrictions and "tyranny". 

A concern of harm to future society comes within the very definition of "fear".

Anyway, must give the Omicron report a read, apparently it's got a predicted R number of 3.3-4.4 so far more contagious than the original virus! 

 

And if the variant is indeed more contagious, and so far seemingly less deadly, then this is a good thing. 
End of the day, much like any respiratory virus, at some point we are ALL gonna get it. 
So if a milder form of this virus can quickly become the dominant strain then maybe less people will die from Delta. 
Should be a good thing, right? 

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5 minutes ago, Harry said:

And if the variant is indeed more contagious, and so far seemingly less deadly, then this is a good thing. 
End of the day, much like any respiratory virus, at some point we are ALL gonna get it. 
So if a milder form of this virus can quickly become the dominant strain then maybe less people will die from Delta. 
Should be a good thing, right? 

Could be, however the early evidence (as I've just posted) suggests that this variant has mutated so that it is far more resilient to the initial vaccinations and antibodies people developed naturally to combat the virus. Again, this is entirely unsurprising - it's what the flu does year in, year out. 

Fortunately, the booster vaccine seems to have much better efficacy and hence why every effort should be made to get that into people's arms. 

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16 minutes ago, Harry said:

The highlighted part. 
Prove it. 
I think you’ll find you have completely misrepresented what you thought you read on an earlier post in this thread. 
I think you’ll find that the truth is that I was the one who was calling out those who had attacked the police vehicle. I was very much NOT the one who was ‘laughing’ about it - quite the opposite. 
Still, well done for your very incorrect input. Shows exactly how much attention you’ve been paying. 

No, it must be true, I read it somewhere on the intranet...its where I get all my information don't you know..

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16 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

No, it must be true, I read it somewhere on the intranet...its where I get all my information don't you know..

Don’t believe everything you read squire. 

9 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Let’s hope your knowledge is better on this than football,you can’t be totally clueless about 2 things surely 😂

Nice one centurion 

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20 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Could be, however the early evidence (as I've just posted) suggests that this variant has mutated so that it is far more resilient to the initial vaccinations and antibodies people developed naturally to combat the virus. Again, this is entirely unsurprising - it's what the flu does year in, year out. 

Fortunately, the booster vaccine seems to have much better efficacy and hence why every effort should be made to get that into people's arms. 

But a less deadly strain is a good thing. Less people will die than would have done, vax or no vax. Which is why, by imposing restrictions, we’ll be keeping the deadlier delta in circulation and not let the milder Omicron become dominant. 
If you can allow the milder version to take over from the deadlier version, surely that should be done as early as possible to save more lives? No? 

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7 minutes ago, Harry said:

And if the variant is indeed more contagious, and so far seemingly less deadly, then this is a good thing. 
End of the day, much like any respiratory virus, at some point we are ALL gonna get it. 
So if a milder form of this virus can quickly become the dominant strain then maybe less people will die from Delta. 
Should be a good thing, right? 

If it’s three times more contageous, but  produces half the hospitalisations per infection, we would still see a rise in total hospitalisations, so we far from out the woods yet.

This is still the biggest pandemic to hit the world since the Spanish flu and that killed millions.

I’ll say one thing to you, as you’re one of the chief anti-restriction protestors.

It’s alright you standing on your soapbox shouting about our civil liberties being denied.  Would you have such a cavalier attitude to the results of the virus if you were actually in a position in government where you’re  answerable for the results if you made tbe wrong call and it resulted in a massive loss off life?

It’s easy to do what you’re doing and you’re clearly proud of yourself for your protest, but luckily for you, it means **** all if you’re wrong. 

Unluckily for others, they DO bave to make these decisions and certainly aren’t helped when unaccountable people are spouting conspiracy crap that was probably started by some deluded ******* wannabe Fox Mulder on twitter, who never has to back up their claims!

 

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6 minutes ago, Harry said:

But a less deadly strain is a good thing. Less people will die than would have done, vax or no vax. Which is why, by imposing restrictions, we’ll be keeping the deadlier delta in circulation and not let the milder Omicron become dominant. 
If you can allow the milder version to take over from the deadlier version, surely that should be done as early as possible to save more lives? No? 

A less deadly but dominant strain would be absolutely great news but it’s speculation at the moment

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2 minutes ago, freezer said:

Bring in Plan C. More restrictions and control of the populace. Watch this space. 

Oddly, I am torn on the whole Plan C thing.

Part of me thinks it is being suggested to making people more compliant to Plan B, but equally the additional measures suggested for Plan C are the only way I can see Plan B doing anything to reduce the spread.

Basically, it's all nonsense.

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48 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

If it’s three times more contageous, but  produces half the hospitalisations per infection, we would still see a rise in total hospitalisations, so we far from out the woods yet.

This is still the biggest pandemic to hit the world since the Spanish flu and that killed millions.

I’ll say one thing to you, as you’re one of the chief anti-restriction protestors.

It’s alright you standing on your soapbox shouting about our civil liberties being denied.  Would you have such a cavalier attitude to the results of the virus if you were actually in a position in government where you’re  answerable for the results if you made tbe wrong call and it resulted in a massive loss off life?

It’s easy to do what you’re doing and you’re clearly proud of yourself for your protest, but luckily for you, it means **** all if you’re wrong. 

Unluckily for others, they DO bave to make these decisions and certainly aren’t helped when unaccountable people are spouting conspiracy crap that was probably started by some deluded ******* wannabe Fox Mulder on twitter, who never has to back up their claims!

 

You’ll have to tell me where I’ve strayed into ‘conspiracy’? 
I think I’ve been very levelled in this actually. I’ve not denied the virus exists, I’ve not denied vaccines work, I’ve not said that nobody should get them, so please tell me where the conspiracy appears? 
I’ve praised the nhs workers, I’ve advocated solutions to help the more vulnerable, I’ve shown concern for citizens and their welfare and businesses. You’ll have to tell me what part of all that is conspiracy. 
Thing is, you’ve just read everything as ‘anti-vaxxer’ and not actually looked at the detail I’ve tried to present. 
 

As for the decisions those in power have to make. Well, I don’t seek power, so I’d never find myself in that position. Those who seek power are a certain kind of personality (usually quite psychopath as it happens - true story, ie superficial, unemotional, lack of remorse, poor judgement). To be fair to him, whilst Boris is an utter cretin, I don’t think he’s in the same category of most leaders and power-seekers as having those psychopathic tendencies. 
Were it me - I’d have been honest from the start. Upfront inform people that a lot of people are going to die from this, we must take precautions such as staying at home if you have any hint of illness, encourage those who are at risk (ie the obese) to change their lifestyles to give themselves a better chance of a positive outcome, would’ve committed the billions required to an army of wellbeing support to the millions of vulnerable, would’ve committed the billions required to beef up the health service to increase capacity and better facilities, and would certainly have set up isolated ‘covid only’ hospitals in order to prevent spread inside regular hospitals (where a good percentage of cases arise), I’d have committed the billions required into the development of anti-virals and medicines rather than billions into vaccines for 80% of the population who don’t really need one, I’d have promoted healthy eating, diet, exercise, rather than sit on your backsides at home and get fat, instead of giving out free lateral flow tests with negligible efficacy, I’d have given out free vitamin d supplements, I’d have been honest - sorry folks, this is a virus that is sadly going to take many peoples lives, whatever we do, but we must live with it from day 1 and do everything possible to mitigate the poor outcomes in the most vulnerable and commit to the best possible care that we can. 

 

Again, not sure what I’ve said is conspiracy. Covid exists, but is only deadly for a very small number of people. Vaccines work for the most vulnerable. But they don’t work for everyone and they certainly don’t stop spread. That’s not conspiracy, love. 

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15 minutes ago, Harry said:

You’ll have to tell me where I’ve strayed into ‘conspiracy’? 
I think I’ve been very levelled in this actually. I’ve not denied the virus exists, I’ve not denied vaccines work, I’ve not said that nobody should get them, so please tell me where the conspiracy appears? 
I’ve praised the nhs workers, I’ve advocated solutions to help the more vulnerable, I’ve shown concern for citizens and their welfare and businesses. You’ll have to tell me what part of all that is conspiracy. 
Thing is, you’ve just read everything as ‘anti-vaxxer’ and not actually looked at the detail I’ve tried to present. 
 

As for the decisions those in power have to make. Well, I don’t seek power, so I’d never find myself in that position. Those who seek power are a certain kind of personality (usually quite psychopath as it happens - true story, ie superficial, unemotional, lack of remorse, poor judgement). To be fair to him, whilst Boris is an utter cretin, I don’t think he’s in the same category of most leaders and power-seekers as having those psychopathic tendencies. 
Were it me - I’d have been honest from the start. Upfront inform people that a lot of people are going to die from this, we must take precautions such as staying at home if you have any hint of illness, encourage those who are at risk (ie the obese) to change their lifestyles to give themselves a better chance of a positive outcome, would’ve committed the billions required to an army of wellbeing support to the millions of vulnerable, would’ve committed the billions required to beef up the health service to increase capacity and better facilities, and would certainly have set up isolated ‘covid only’ hospitals in order to prevent spread inside regular hospitals (where a good percentage of cases arise), I’d have committed the billions required into the development of anti-virals and medicines rather than billions into vaccines for 80% of the population who don’t really need one, I’d have promoted healthy eating, diet, exercise, rather than sit on your backsides at home and get fat, instead of giving out free lateral flow tests with negligible efficacy, I’d have given out free vitamin d supplements, I’d have been honest - sorry folks, this is a virus that is sadly going to take many peoples lives, whatever we do, but we must live with it from day 1 and do everything possible to mitigate the poor outcomes in the most vulnerable and commit to the best possible care that we can. 

 

Again, not sure what I’ve said is conspiracy. Covid exists, but is only deadly for a very small number of people. Vaccines work for the most vulnerable. But they don’t work for everyone and they certainly don’t stop spread. That’s not conspiracy, love. 

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36 minutes ago, Harry said:

You’ll have to tell me where I’ve strayed into ‘conspiracy’? 
I think I’ve been very levelled in this actually. I’ve not denied the virus exists, I’ve not denied vaccines work, I’ve not said that nobody should get them, so please tell me where the conspiracy appears? 
I’ve praised the nhs workers, I’ve advocated solutions to help the more vulnerable, I’ve shown concern for citizens and their welfare and businesses. You’ll have to tell me what part of all that is conspiracy. 
Thing is, you’ve just read everything as ‘anti-vaxxer’ and not actually looked at the detail I’ve tried to present. 
 

As for the decisions those in power have to make. Well, I don’t seek power, so I’d never find myself in that position. Those who seek power are a certain kind of personality (usually quite psychopath as it happens - true story, ie superficial, unemotional, lack of remorse, poor judgement). To be fair to him, whilst Boris is an utter cretin, I don’t think he’s in the same category of most leaders and power-seekers as having those psychopathic tendencies. 
Were it me - I’d have been honest from the start. Upfront inform people that a lot of people are going to die from this, we must take precautions such as staying at home if you have any hint of illness, encourage those who are at risk (ie the obese) to change their lifestyles to give themselves a better chance of a positive outcome, would’ve committed the billions required to an army of wellbeing support to the millions of vulnerable, would’ve committed the billions required to beef up the health service to increase capacity and better facilities, and would certainly have set up isolated ‘covid only’ hospitals in order to prevent spread inside regular hospitals (where a good percentage of cases arise), I’d have committed the billions required into the development of anti-virals and medicines rather than billions into vaccines for 80% of the population who don’t really need one, I’d have promoted healthy eating, diet, exercise, rather than sit on your backsides at home and get fat, instead of giving out free lateral flow tests with negligible efficacy, I’d have given out free vitamin d supplements, I’d have been honest - sorry folks, this is a virus that is sadly going to take many peoples lives, whatever we do, but we must live with it from day 1 and do everything possible to mitigate the poor outcomes in the most vulnerable and commit to the best possible care that we can. 

 

Again, not sure what I’ve said is conspiracy. Covid exists, but is only deadly for a very small number of people. Vaccines work for the most vulnerable. But they don’t work for everyone and they certainly don’t stop spread. That’s not conspiracy, love. 

Don’t know how to highlight a sentence so when you say you would promote healthy eating and exercise I have to ask why,everyone bloody knows it’s better than eating 12 Big Mac meals so why waste money on what is someone’s choice 

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5 minutes ago, Harry said:

You’ll have to tell me where I’ve strayed into ‘conspiracy’? 
I think I’ve been very levelled in this actually. I’ve not denied the virus exists, I’ve not denied vaccines work, I’ve not said that nobody should get them, so please tell me where the conspiracy appears? so it wasn’t you who was accusing the world’s governments and pharceutic companies making the most of this pandemic to either milk us for everything we’ve got or permanently taking away all our. civil liberties then?


I’ve praised the nhs workers, I’ve advocated solutions to help the more vulnerable, I’ve shown concern for citizens and their welfare and businesses. You’ll have to tell me what part of all that is conspiracy. 
Thing is, you’ve just read everything as ‘anti-vaxxer’ and not actually looked at the detail I’ve tried to present. 
Wrong, I never mention vaccinations. I’ve read it as someone who’s buying into the movement to make as much noise as as possible and sew discontent, with the aim of taking the brake off restrictions, right at a point when virus rates could potentially run away again, as they’re doing now in South Africa.

As for the decisions those in power have to make. Well, I don’t seek power, so I’d never find myself in that position. Those who seek power are a certain kind of personality (usually quite psychopath as it happens - true story, ie superficial, unemotional, lack of remorse, poor judgement). To be fair to him, whilst Boris is an utter cretin, I don’t think he’s in the same category of most leaders and power-seekers as having those psychopathic tendencies. 
Were it me - I’d have been honest from the start. Upfront inform people that a lot of people are going to die from this, we must take precautions such as staying at home of you have any hint of illness, encourage those who are at risk (ie the obese) to change their lifestyles to give themselves a better chance of a positive outcome,

pretty much what we were getting in the press briefings then, particularly from Whitty, Vallance JVT and Harries.  The info was certainly there, but maybe a little too nuanced for some people, while others seemed to hear what they wanted to hear, rather than what was actually said. That shambles of the BBC obviously didn’t help that by often summarising the briefing and managing to get key messages wrong.

would’ve committed the billions required to an army of wellbeing support to the millions of vulnerable, would’ve committed the billions required to beef up the health service to increase capacity and better facilities, and would certainly have set up isolated ‘covid only’ hospitals in order to prevent spread inside regular hospitals (where a good percentage of cases arise),

Which they actually did with the Nightingale Hospitals.

I’d have committed the billions required into the development of anti-virals and medicines rather than billions into vaccines for 80% of the population who don’t really need one,

Really? And how would you have decided who needed them then, as some people who weren’t considerd vulnerable have also been hit badly and sometimes died.  Apart from that, you’ve already said you’ll be completely honest and announce that “a lot of people are going to die”, so good luck when you tell many people you’ve already scared shitless that they can’t have a jab.  Boris would have no problem competing with you in a popularity contest after that!

I’d have promoted healthy eating, diet, exercise, rather than sit on your backsides at home and get fat, I’d have been honest - sorry folks, this is a virus that is sadly going to take many peoples lives, whatever we do, but we must live with it from day 1 and do everything possible to mitigate the poor outcomes in the most vulnerable and commit to the best possible care that we can. 
And then everyone is going to shout’ but you’re the government, so what are you going to do to protect us, save our jobs, save our businesses, pay our mortgages, etc, etc?

Again, not sure what I’ve said is conspiracy. Covid exists, but is only deadly for a very small number of people. Vaccines work for the most vulnerable. But they don’t work for everyone and they certainly don’t stop spread. That’s not conspiracy, love. 

Hope that helps …. love

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23 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Don’t know how to highlight a sentence so when you say you would promote healthy eating and exercise I have to ask why,everyone bloody knows it’s better than eating 12 Big Mac meals so why waste money on what is someone’s choice 

And this is where you and I differ in level of detail. Yes, of course people know that. But you have to promote, promote, promote, plus if you read my other posts, identify those most at risk (ie morbidly obese) and assign them personal support - nutritionists, dieticians, wellness guru’s - sadly you can’t leave it to the unhealthy to help themselves, you need to support them closely to put them on the right path. 
And yes, of course it’s their choice if they don’t want to commit. And that’s the chances they take in life. 

17 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Your verbose posts contain nothing of interest. They don’t stimulate, they offer nothing thought provoking nor are they informative.

You are a bore who likes the sound of his own voice

Verbose?  mmmm. I was asked what I thought. I gave detail. If you think it’s verbose, then you are simply either ignorant or impatient 
As for your 2nd paragraph - makes no sense love - how can my verbose writing mean I like the sound of my own voice. 2 totally different mediums of communication squire. 
Come on now Triple T - you’re better than that. Oh no, my bad. You’re not. 

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1 hour ago, Harry said:

You’ll have to tell me where I’ve strayed into ‘conspiracy’? 
I think I’ve been very levelled in this actually. I’ve not denied the virus exists, I’ve not denied vaccines work, I’ve not said that nobody should get them, so please tell me where the conspiracy appears? 
I’ve praised the nhs workers, I’ve advocated solutions to help the more vulnerable, I’ve shown concern for citizens and their welfare and businesses. You’ll have to tell me what part of all that is conspiracy. 
Thing is, you’ve just read everything as ‘anti-vaxxer’ and not actually looked at the detail I’ve tried to present. 
 

As for the decisions those in power have to make. Well, I don’t seek power, so I’d never find myself in that position. Those who seek power are a certain kind of personality (usually quite psychopath as it happens - true story, ie superficial, unemotional, lack of remorse, poor judgement). To be fair to him, whilst Boris is an utter cretin, I don’t think he’s in the same category of most leaders and power-seekers as having those psychopathic tendencies. 
Were it me - I’d have been honest from the start. Upfront inform people that a lot of people are going to die from this, we must take precautions such as staying at home if you have any hint of illness, encourage those who are at risk (ie the obese) to change their lifestyles to give themselves a better chance of a positive outcome, would’ve committed the billions required to an army of wellbeing support to the millions of vulnerable, would’ve committed the billions required to beef up the health service to increase capacity and better facilities, and would certainly have set up isolated ‘covid only’ hospitals in order to prevent spread inside regular hospitals (where a good percentage of cases arise), I’d have committed the billions required into the development of anti-virals and medicines rather than billions into vaccines for 80% of the population who don’t really need one, I’d have promoted healthy eating, diet, exercise, rather than sit on your backsides at home and get fat, instead of giving out free lateral flow tests with negligible efficacy, I’d have given out free vitamin d supplements, I’d have been honest - sorry folks, this is a virus that is sadly going to take many peoples lives, whatever we do, but we must live with it from day 1 and do everything possible to mitigate the poor outcomes in the most vulnerable and commit to the best possible care that we can. 

 

Again, not sure what I’ve said is conspiracy. Covid exists, but is only deadly for a very small number of people. Vaccines work for the most vulnerable. But they don’t work for everyone and they certainly don’t stop spread. That’s not conspiracy, love. 

The analysis did say a lot of people would die if we did nothing. That's now (look on this very thread) being used as a reason that it was wrong.

Why do you support the government "encouraging" (how???) people to change their unhealthy lifestyles such as obesity, but you don't support the government encouraging people to get jabbed or prove they are? Can you not also see that the former is a long term issue - it wont be solved in weeks, months, or even years.

The same goes for "beefing up" the health services - it's not an issue of money. Our government printed hundreds of billions last year, and can print literally as much money as it wants thanks to the BoE. These things take time and resources, not money.

Covid only hospitals? So my partner when giving birth at short notice last year, where does she go with 2 days notice? She's in the covid one, the non covid one, or a third type? Three hospitals like that everywhere? And in places that don't have two or three hospitals? What about the staff? What about the one hospital in 100 miles with a specialist center people need? What about the children's hospital we have here?

Why would developing anti-virals be better than a vaccine? You talked about your anger of people making money from the jabs and profiting from the pandemic earlier. Are these anti virals developed for free out of thin air? Your better solution is to let more people catch it, and sell drugs to try and solve it?

Part of the issue is that often once people are ill enough to need treatment - your anti virals - they're so ill they need to go to hospital. So your drugs don't help at all there, they're already taking up valuable space. Makes more sense to prevent that surely?

Again - promoted diet, exercise, and so on - government interference is ok there? And the ones who don't do it? That's not authoritarian?

I'd look forward to your avatar of McDonalds burgers in the shape of a swastika in your alternate reality.

 

Sounds to me like that you want to just remove all the bits that affect you personally (having to be jabbed, show a QR code, wear a mask, whatever) and push that burden onto other people (stay inside if you're ill, change your life if you're fat, just take drugs if you get really sick).

None of it makes any sense.

 

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20 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

Hope that helps …. love

A) Yes I did say that. And stand by it. Not a conspiracy though. It’s happening right in front of you. 
B) Not trying to sew any discontent. Just stating my opinions. 
C) Correct. They sometime subtly raised these points. But were any of them ACTUALLY ever acted upon. No. 
D) No they didn’t. They shut them all down again without having ever received anyone. 
E) GP records clearly know who is in a vulnerable category. Honesty and transparency is better than fear, panic and hidden agendas. 
F) None of that would have been under threat. 

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29 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

The analysis did say a lot of people would die if we did nothing. That's now (look on this very thread) being used as a reason that it was wrong.

Why do you support the government "encouraging" (how???) people to change their unhealthy lifestyles such as obesity, but you don't support the government encouraging people to get jabbed or prove they are? Can you not also see that the former is a long term issue - it wont be solved in weeks, months, or even years.

The same goes for "beefing up" the health services - it's not an issue of money. Our government printed hundreds of billions last year, and can print literally as much money as it wants thanks to the BoE. These things take time and resources, not money.

Covid only hospitals? So my partner when giving birth at short notice last year, where does she go with 2 days notice? She's in the covid one, the non covid one, or a third type? Three hospitals like that everywhere? And in places that don't have two or three hospitals? What about the staff? What about the one hospital in 100 miles with a specialist center people need? What about the children's hospital we have here?

Why would developing anti-virals be better than a vaccine? You talked about your anger of people making money from the jabs and profiting from the pandemic earlier. Are these anti virals developed for free out of thin air? Your better solution is to let more people catch it, and sell drugs to try and solve it?

Part of the issue is that often once people are ill enough to need treatment - your anti virals - they're so ill they need to go to hospital. So your drugs don't help at all there, they're already taking up valuable space. Makes more sense to prevent that surely?

Again - promoted diet, exercise, and so on - government interference is ok there? And the ones who don't do it? That's not authoritarian?

I'd look forward to your avatar of McDonalds burgers in the shape of a swastika in your alternate reality.

 

Sounds to me like that you want to just remove all the bits that affect you personally (having to be jabbed, show a QR code, wear a mask, whatever) and push that burden onto other people (stay inside if you're ill, change your life if you're fat, just take drugs if you get really sick).

None of it makes any sense.

 

As per my reply above to the other poster, the solutions I’ve put forth are about health. Yes, they are long term, but at least they are about ACTUAL health. Nothing this government have implemented has anything to do with your health. 
Same with health services. Yes, it was never an overnight fix, but surely you’d have thought something, anything, would’ve been done by now, 20 months on. Again, absolutely nothing has been done. 
Covid only hospitals are the best way to prevent ‘in-hospital’ spread - which is pretty bloody rife. This needn’t impact on your existing hospitals. New builds were necessary. New kit. New staff. Again, has anything changed in this respect in 20 months. No. Where is the urgent recruitment drive to increase staffing. Where is the offer of better pay to encourage increased staffing? It’s non existent. Absolutely nothing has been done. As for the 100 miles comment, wherever they could have been situated, multiple facilities countrywide, once required it doesn’t take long to be transported 100 miles by air ambulance. 
 

I’ve answered the health-drive elsewhere but just to add it’s not authoritarian if something is rolled out with transparency and with compassion. I’m not advocating a government official in a cheap suit to knock on your door and tell you what to do, I’m taking about qualified, confident, knowledgable and personable health fanatics to support people to a better lifestyle in order for them to personally achieve better outcomes. If they don’t want to participate then that’s fine - no one would force anyone to do anything. 
 

As to your penultimate paragraph. “Stay in if you’re ill, change your life if you’re fat, take drugs if you’re sick”. 
Yep. That’s about the size of it. It’s a pretty damn fine strategy don’t you think. It’s kinda like the one we’ve always adopted as normal. 
 

I like the McD’s idea. I might work on that (if I had any design skills). 
 

Edit - sorry, just to add Nick. Yes, some of the things I’ve advocated are indeed longer term measures. But had we started implementing these in April 2020 when we knew the way the virus plays, then perhaps by summer 21 we could’ve been making real progress and reaping the rewards, rather than having to go back to the levels of restrictions we’ve had to endure. We’ve done 20 months and we’ve done nothing. 

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2 minutes ago, Harry said:

Thanks. I like that. It’s one of my best traits. 
You missed the full stop at the end of your sentence, by the way. 

Look, you have been banging on all bloody day spouting the same crap.

You can think what you like but you will change no one's mind, particularly mine.

Having a daughter who worked on a covid ward watching people die, time and time and time again and then having to ring their relatives may give me a different perspective.

Anything that can be done to stop or alleviate this bloody awful disease should be done.

You come across as a petulant childish person who just likes to argue for the sake of it, repeating the same rubbish over and over again.

When, in the real world, where people put themselves first, looking after sick people, that seems to count for Jack shit.

How many doctors and nurses plus other medical professionals have died so far during this pandemic? Were there lives given for nothing? Did you have a better plan that would have stopped that happening?

No is the answer!

You have been on this all day, nothing better to do? Keyboard activist?

If you had any decency you would stop this pathetic diatribe and think of fellow supporters who have lost loved ones or have seen loved ones struggle daily working to save lives due to this pandemic.

 

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On the actual football bits, spot checks being mooted.

Could that cause issues or am I underestimating people's understanding of the issues. Bit in the Times today speaks of it being up to SAGs to decide whether all fans should be checked.

Says something about SAGs stipulating the numbers that would need checking. Suggests 1 in 4 could be the number but I guess it could be a bit of a postcode lottery.

As for the other stuff, would ask indeed what happened to the Nightingale Hospitals. Could be very useful.

Other bit, Matt Hughes has said in the Daily Mail that clubs are scrambling for extra stewards in order to try and make this work.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10290411/Premier-League-EFL-clubs-scramble-hire-stewards-Plan-B-Covid-restrictions.html

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10 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

Look, you have been banging on all bloody day spouting the same crap.

You can think what you like but you will change no one's mind, particularly mine.

Having a daughter who worked on a covid ward watching people die, time and time and time again and then having to ring their relatives may give me a different perspective.

Anything that can be done to stop or alleviate this bloody awful disease should be done.

You come across as a petulant childish person who just likes to argue for the sake of it, repeating the same rubbish over and over again.

When, in the real world, where people put themselves first, looking after sick people, that seems to count for Jack shit.

How many doctors and nurses plus other medical professionals have died so far during this pandemic? Were there lives given for nothing? Did you have a better plan that would have stopped that happening?

No is the answer!

You have been on this all day, nothing better to do? Keyboard activist?

If you had any decency you would stop this pathetic diatribe and think of fellow supporters who have lost loved ones or have seen loved ones struggle daily working to save lives due to this pandemic.

 

If posters reply to me then I will respond. That’s how it works. If you want me to stop replying, then don’t bother to reply to me. It’s quite simple. 
I’ve answered your other points and have shown empathy to your daughter’s situation. 

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1 hour ago, Harry said:

A) Yes I did say that. And stand by it. Not a conspiracy though. It’s happening right in front of you. 
If you’re still claiming this is being done through conscious, devious planning, rather than a necessary response to a dangerous pandemic, then I’ll stand by my conspiracy accusation, so we’ll have to differ.

B) Not trying to sew any discontent. Just stating my opinions. Well, your doing a very good impression of a dog with a bone who doesn’t want to let go. Maybe if everyone just ignores when you mention the subject, we can have some peace and get back to discussing football ….. although you obviously won’t be there, will you?! 

C) Correct. They sometime subtly raised these points. But were any of them ACTUALLY ever acted upon. No. 
Oh yeah in this day and age?  I can just imagine the uproar if they started saying you were increasing your chances of dying with covid if you’re too fat!!! Don’t forget, thanks to all the ‘hyper sensitives’ you’re risking being hounded out of your job for saying stuff like that

D) No they didn’t. They shut them all down again without having ever received anyone. 
Go back and check on that one.  Some got very limited use and were also used for vaccinations, but they were only supposed to be used if the existing hospitals were overwealmed anyway.

E) GP records clearly know who is in a vulnerable category. Honesty and transparency is better than fear, panic and hidden agendas. 
There you go again!

F) None of that would have been under threat. Oh so with your solution, the economy, jobs, business and the health service wouldn’t have been under threat?  Sorry to sound sarcastic, but if that’s true, whatever job you’re in, you’re wasted. You really should be running the country, as you are clearly a miracle worker!!!

I think you final point just confirms to me it’s a very good time to depart from this discussion and leave you to your strange world.

Just one final point to consider.  If you think the current situation regarding inconvenience and regulations is bad, count yourself very lucky you didn’t have to get through WW2  (I didn’t have to either btw)

There were more rules than you could wave a stick at and you’d ignore them at your peril.  (and those rules weren’t made permanent, so why should any we have now to deal with Covid?).
You also had our German friends trying to drop very large amounts of high explosives on you on many dark nights.  

Compared to that, a ****** vaccine pass really doesn’t seem that big a hassle to me!

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