Not going Saturday

[The Bard]

2 minutes ago, ralphindevon said:

It’ll be annoying if less than 10,000 are there and we’ve all had to queue up to show our vaccine passport. 
I can’t see there being many more than that. Years ago this was always called black Saturday for football clubs, this is a shade or two darker than black

Attendance will be less than 10,000 but the club won't be able to change the rules as we've got more than 10,000 season tickets.  Only exception to this could be the FA Cup game v Fulham...

[Harry]

4 minutes ago, The Bard said:

Attendance will be less than 10,000 but the club won't be able to change the rules as we've got more than 10,000 season tickets.  Only exception to this could be the FA Cup game v Fulham...

Sign me up. 
Hang on. £23 bloody quid!! 

[ralphindevon]

1 minute ago, The Bard said:

Attendance will be less than 10,000 but the club won't be able to change the rules as we've got more than 10,000 season tickets.  Only exception to this could be the FA Cup game v Fulham...

Oh right, ta. Yes I was wondering about the Fulham game. But I can’t see them changing it just for that game. 

[Red-Robbo]

2 hours ago, Harry said:

I’ve reluctantly decided that I will be attending. 
I was keen to stay at home due to my moral standpoint on covid passes, but my daughter has been desperate to come to this game and she has made me cave in. 
Everything I do, I do for my kids, so now that she wants to go, I’ve had to reluctantly agree. 
Ah well, so much for my one-man protest Best get that NHS app open. 

 

She didn't fancy the vegan pasties at the New Lawn then, H?

Welcome back.   

I'll be there. Omicron seems at its highest in London and Scotland. Mainly Delta still in the West Country, and I've been facing that down for the entirety of this season to date, including when Bristol had a higher infection rate than it does now.

Judging by the likely crowd, it doesn't sound like social distancing is going to be a problem.  

[MarcusX]

15 minutes ago, Harry said:

Don’t join the nasty gang Mark.

There are some rather putrid posters on here, you’ve certainly not been one of them before. Don’t be swayed into their cult.

Oh, I highly doubt that. Have you seen us lately

I've stayed out of most of it, agreed with some of your points tbh. I even disagree with the vacinne passports as I dont think they do enough to reduce the spread anyway. Just thought the u-turn was amusing 

[Harry]

17 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

She didn't fancy the vegan pasties at the New Lawn then, H?

Welcome back.   

I'll be there. Omicron seems at its highest in London and Scotland. Mainly Delta still in the West Country, and I've been facing that down for the entirety of this season to date, including when Bristol had a higher infection rate than it does now.

Judging by the likely crowd, it doesn't sound like social distancing is going to be a problem.  

Strangely enough Robbo, Forest Green have adopted a very unusual strategy. 
The capacity is less than 10k so they don’t need to enforce the pass. 
However, they have decided they fall foul of the 500 indoor setting. 
Their main stand is linked to their pub and hospitality suite and so they’ve decided that technically they are hosting over 500 persons in an indoor setting. 
So, if you’ve got a ticket for the main stand, you have to show your pass. But if you have a ticket for the terrace you don’t need it. 
 

Not like our man Mr Vince to come up with some bollox now is it

 

ps - I got that from the handy link to their forum which you provided the other day

Edited December 17, 2021 by Harry

[Red-Robbo]

1 minute ago, Harry said:

Strangely enough Robbo, Forest Green have adopted a very unusual strategy. 
The capacity is less than 10k so they don’t need to enforce the pass. 
However, they have decided they fall foul of the 500 indoor setting. 
Their main stand is linked to their pub and hospitality suite and so they’ve decided that technically they are hosting over 500 persons in an indoor setting. 
So, if you’ve got a ticket for the main stand, you have to show your pass. But if you have a ticket for the terrace you don’t need it. 
 

Not like our man Mr Vince to come up with some bollox now is it

 

Yate Town?  Roman Glass St George?  BMF?

A whole world of non-league could await your kids. With a chance for a pint on the terraces for you and new and colourful swear words to be picked up from the pitch for them. 

[The Bard]

49 minutes ago, ralphindevon said:

Oh right, ta. Yes I was wondering about the Fulham game. But I can’t see them changing it just for that game. 

Carlisle have reduced the number of tickets they sell for games to 9,999 so the checks aren't required.

[spudski]

6 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Exactly this.

Even if it was “just the flu” (it isn’t), if flu cases were at 90k and doubling every two days, we would STILL have a massive problem coming our way with both NHS bed capacity AND staffing levels. Likewise other key workers.

Ignoring Covid does absolutely nothing to help cancer or any other illnesses - as Whitty made abundantly clear yesterday.

 

Tell me if I've misunderstood this...but this is bollox. We built at the beginning of covid temporary covid hospitals throughout the country.

They all got dismantled and never used, as we were told there wasn't enough drs and nurses ' specialised' to deal with covid.

During the height of covid this year, my father was in Southmead with Brain cancer. The hospital and wards were empty when I visited. Empty... literally.

So it's not beds that are a problem...it's staff. 

Surely we should be building more hospitals and educating staff, and paying them a decent wage. That should be the foremost action, especially as it's been two bloody years now and not expected to stop.

Two friggin years...that we've just accepted to live with and not change.

[Harry]

55 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Yate Town?  Roman Glass St George?  BMF?

A whole world of non-league could await your kids. With a chance for a pint on the terraces for you and new and colourful swear words to be picked up from the pitch for them. 

To be fair, she doesn’t really like football. Just enjoys a day out, plenty of sweets and the chance to put her iPad on after 20 minutes and play some games. 
I don’t think Lodge Road or Cossham Street would be her bag. 

[Davefevs]

15 minutes ago, spudski said:

Surely we should be building more hospitals and educating staff, and paying them a decent wage. That should be the foremost action, especially as it's been two bloody years now and not expected to stop.

That is logical Spud.

Why isn’t it happening?  We know the answer don’t we!

Same with many other services too.

Let’s make it look shit so that when we put a spin on selling it off, the public aren’t aghast at the proposals, and will believe arguments like “they” just waste lots of money too, it’s better in private hands.  There are probably parts of the NHS that could be more efficiently run privately, but the main healthcare part is just a ruse for an insurance backed health service with the likes of Aaron manually manipulates (no I spelt it right) providing the insurance “vehicle”.  

 

[Waconda]

1 hour ago, Lew-T said:

It’s a valid point which I understand (makes a change from memes eh!).

But there are talks on here, out there etc of shutting things down again. How far do you go with it? Are we going to have the same discussions every winter?

 

It will go on until the UK and other countries of similar wealth and privilege accept the fact that the whole world has to be vaccinated for "herd immunity" to have any chance of success.

Our current "master plan" of raising the draw bridge and sodding the rest, will lead to a possible never ending supply of different variants from around the world.

and yes lockdowns and restrictions.

[spudski]

Just now, Davefevs said:

That is logical Spud.

Why isn’t it happening?  We know the answer don’t we!

Same with many other services too.

Let’s make it look shit so that when we put a spin on selling it off, the public aren’t aghast at the proposals, and will believe arguments like “they” just waste lots of money too, it’s better in private hands.  There are probably parts of the NHS that could be more efficiently run privately, but the main healthcare part is just a ruse for an insurance backed health service with the likes of Aaron manually manipulates (no I spelt it right) providing the insurance “vehicle”.  

 

There is definitely talk that maybe the reason. 

There are too many hypocritical things in place that give me reason to think this is not about our health perse anymore. Too much of it doesn't make any sense.

The fact we are two years down the line, with no change, same old excuses...and yet people fall for this shit every day. 

 

[CheddarReds]

14 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

We know the answer don’t we!

Same with many other services too.

Let’s make it look shit so that when we put a spin on selling it off, the public aren’t aghast at the proposals, and will believe arguments like “they” just waste lots of money too, it’s better in private hands.  There are probably parts of the NHS that could be more efficiently run privately, but the main healthcare part is just a ruse for an insurance backed health service with the likes of Aaron manually manipulates (no I spelt it right) providing the insurance “vehicle”.  

 

Sadly you're spot on Dave.

[Waconda]

35 minutes ago, spudski said:

Tell me if I've misunderstood this...but this is bollox. We built at the beginning of covid temporary covid hospitals throughout the country.

They all got dismantled and never used, as we were told there wasn't enough drs and nurses ' specialised' to deal with covid.

During the height of covid this year, my father was in Southmead with Brain cancer. The hospital and wards were empty when I visited. Empty... literally.

So it's not beds that are a problem...it's staff. 

Surely we should be building more hospitals and educating staff, and paying them a decent wage. That should be the foremost action, especially as it's been two bloody years now and not expected to stop.

Two friggin years...that we've just accepted to live with and not change.

Sadly those Nighting Gale hospitals were just for show and positive publicity. Even this disaster of a Government would have been well aware there were no staff to run them.

COVID patients need intensive care beds (on the whole) with specialist nursing care and ventilators.

General wards may well not seem full in this scenario.

[Waconda]

20 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

That is logical Spud.

Why isn’t it happening?  We know the answer don’t we!

Same with many other services too.

Let’s make it look shit so that when we put a spin on selling it off, the public aren’t aghast at the proposals, and will believe arguments like “they” just waste lots of money too, it’s better in private hands.  There are probably parts of the NHS that could be more efficiently run privately, but the main healthcare part is just a ruse for an insurance backed health service with the likes of Aaron manually manipulates (no I spelt it right) providing the insurance “vehicle”.  

 

The railways were privatised with the promise of cheaper fares, improved punctuality and constantly upgraded rolling stock.

In the last 10 years rail fares have gone up 46%, punctuality and reliability have got worse and some of the trains are 40 years old.

Never hand essential public services over to Spivs who are beholden to share holders

[spudski]

4 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Sadly those Nighting Gale hospitals were just for show and positive publicity. Even this disaster of a Government would have been well aware there were no staff to run them.

COVID patients need intensive care beds (on the whole) with specialist nursing care and ventilators.

General wards may well not seem full in this scenario.

So it's all bollox as I said.

Ask the general public and the way it's been reported and the majority will think the hospitals are bursting. It's simply not true.

Certain wards may get to capacity...and we have a shortage of specialised staff. We've had two years to rectify this.

How everything is reported to the public is complete and utter nonesence. But as I say...the majority haven't a clue as they rely on mainstream media for their info, and believe every the scientists and Government say...all for the greater good. It's a compete joke and incompetent.

[Waconda]

1 minute ago, spudski said:

So it's all bollox as I said.

Ask the general public and the way it's been reported and the majority will think the hospitals are bursting. It's simply not true.

Certain wards may get to capacity...and we have a shortage of specialised staff. We've had two years to rectify this.

How everything is reported to the public is complete and utter nonesence. But as I say...the majority haven't a clue as they rely on mainstream media for their info, and believe every the scientists and Government say...all for the greater good. It's a compete joke and incompetent.

Yes the greater problem is the finite number of qualified medical personal rather than "beds".

Each COVID patient on a ventilator needs a "team" of staff to monitor and treat them.

Once we start losing those staff in large numbers to COVID themselves then ..................

It would be better to specify the numbers of intensive care beds available (or not) as a gauge.

 

[sh1t_ref_again]

8 minutes ago, spudski said:

So it's all bollox as I said.

Ask the general public and the way it's been reported and the majority will think the hospitals are bursting. It's simply not true.

Certain wards may get to capacity...and we have a shortage of specialised staff. We've had two years to rectify this.

How everything is reported to the public is complete and utter nonesence. But as I say...the majority haven't a clue as they rely on mainstream media for their info, and believe every the scientists and Government say...all for the greater good. It's a compete joke and incompetent.

Considering the media and opposition fall over themselves to try and attack the government at any oppurtunity that does not stack up

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, VT05763 said:

Yes the greater problem is the finite number of qualified medical personal rather than "beds".

Each COVID patient on a ventilator needs a "team" of staff to monitor and treat them.

Once we start losing those staff in large numbers to COVID themselves then ..................

It would be better to specify the numbers of intensive care beds available (or not) as a gauge.

 

Yep.  When you’re trying to spin a message, giving the public sensible, consistent, easy to understand metrics is gonna give the game away. Little things like changing the colour scale on a heatmap of the country back last year should warn you that this government is more interested in PR than PH, and are trying to hide the real message.  Measuring gloves in ones rather than pairs.  I know the box says individual gloves, but if you know that, initially set the targets as individual gloves, and explain to people why you did that…don’t move the goalposts when you fail to set a target.  Why do targets always have to be a round number?  I’d have more faith in the methodology of a target if they said 84,350 tests per week, rather than be bullish 100k that then requires spin to say it’s been hit.

 

[Bannerman]

9 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

Considering the media and opposition fall over themselves to try and attack the government at any oppurtunity that does not stack up

Really! Obviously you don’t listen to the political programs. Boris and his cronies are liars. Boris is a proven lair by the law lords. He constantly lies and you buy into his rhetorics. So what part of truth do you accept the little lies, or big lies or the truth within the lies?

[spudski]

19 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Yes the greater problem is the finite number of qualified medical personal rather than "beds".

Each COVID patient on a ventilator needs a "team" of staff to monitor and treat them.

Once we start losing those staff in large numbers to COVID themselves then ..................

It would be better to specify the numbers of intensive care beds available (or not) as a gauge.

 

Exactly...but the general public didn't even question this. Most just presume it's beds and staff...anyone.

[054123]

I’m off to the pantomime.

[Red Army 75]

1 minute ago, 054123 said:

I’m off to the pantomime.

Oh no your not

[Waconda]

33 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

Considering the media and opposition fall over themselves to try and attack the government at any oppurtunity that does not stack up

You are aware that 90% of the media is owned/controlled by fanatical right wing zealots ?

If they are "attacking" the Government you can be sure they have a very good reason. 

[RedRaw]

26 minutes ago, 054123 said:

I’m off to the pantomime.

Gas game is off….

[Lanterne Rouge]

Just now, RedRaw said:

Gas game is off….

You have to feel for Scunthorpe. They`ll have been building up all week for their cup final only to have their dreams dashed at the last minute.

[swanker]

28 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

Oh no your not

Oh yes he is!

[ChippenhamRed]

1 hour ago, spudski said:

Tell me if I've misunderstood this...but this is bollox. We built at the beginning of covid temporary covid hospitals throughout the country.

They all got dismantled and never used, as we were told there wasn't enough drs and nurses ' specialised' to deal with covid.

During the height of covid this year, my father was in Southmead with Brain cancer. The hospital and wards were empty when I visited. Empty... literally.

So it's not beds that are a problem...it's staff. 

Surely we should be building more hospitals and educating staff, and paying them a decent wage. That should be the foremost action, especially as it's been two bloody years now and not expected to stop.

Two friggin years...that we've just accepted to live with and not change.

Should we be building more hospitals and investing in a better healthcare infrastructure? Quite possibly yes.

Does that make it “bollocks” to say that the NHS has a finite capacity and, as things stand, a rapid rise in Covid admissions threatens to overstretch capacity both in terms of beds and availability of staff? And if allowed to completely unravel, threatens treatment for emergencies (of any kind) and other illnesses? Absolutely not.

Certainly our beds-per-citizen ratio is well down on other comparable Western countries, so there’s a strong argument to say we should be investing further (and I would agree).

But the NHS will always have a finite capacity. And it wouldn’t be remotely economically viable to ever have enough redundancy built into the system to cope with a huge spike in demand at any given moment. There will always be a threshold where society has to do it’s bit to stop it bursting at the seams. Rightly or wrongly, Omicron may well require us to do our bit.

[Red Army 75]

Just watching the Barnsley v West Brom game. Hard to gage the attendance as Oakwell is rarely full. Plus it’s foggy.