Davefevs Posted January 16, 2022 Report Share Posted January 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, petehinton said: You can go 4231 for me, arguably still the best formation for what we have atm with the injuries in midfield. Did it against QPR at home and it was the best, quickest and most urgent performance of the season, even with 10 men for large majority. Massengo and Scott as a two or even Massengo and Bakinson as a two with Benarous as the 10. Personally don’t see adamantly sticking with 352 is doing us a lot of favours. The important bit of that for me Pete is - I think Kalas and Atkinson prefer playing in a back 4, and are better in a 4 also. We have a disjointed squad, but I see no reason why you couldn’t play Semenyo as the 1 with Weimann as the centre of the 3. Choices then become who plays in the other 4. King / James or Massengo James as the two, and then perm: Scott, Massengo, O’Dowda and Benarous as the wide midfielders. etc etc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodiesaffer Posted January 16, 2022 Report Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, chinapig said: Even if we accept that Zak has been outstanding it doesn't follow that he is the right choice to mark Mitrovic. In fact any of us could have told Nigel he wasn't. Sometimes you have to pick horses for courses. Agreed. Mitrovic has and will make fools out of any CB in this division. He is a level above right now. Yes we could of defended better yesterday and we should of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted January 16, 2022 Report Share Posted January 16, 2022 Mitrovic is very good but he's also very clever. Twice yesterday he outjumped our defenders by knocking them off balance before the ball arrived. It was more obvious on replays but not during live play therefore not spotted by the officials. I think had there been VAR active yesterday, the scoreline may have been different. He won't get away with that in the prem. Having said that, we need to toughen up more and be more clever ourselves, and for God's sake let's stop making it so easy for the opposition to get crosses in. We always stand off. It boils my p$ss. All teams play the flanks against us cos they've sussed us out. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 16, 2022 Report Share Posted January 16, 2022 19 hours ago, eardun said: If Carling did errors of judgement.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 16, 2022 Report Share Posted January 16, 2022 A bit more context to the post-match press comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 20 hours ago, Bodiesaffer said: Agreed. Mitrovic has and will make fools out of any CB in this division. He is a level above right now. Yes we could of defended better yesterday and we should of. Mitrovic made a fool of our manager who insists on making the same elementary mistakes game after game. If he continues more will make a fool of him before the season is over and it may cost us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 30 minutes ago, frenchred said: Mitrovic made a fool of our manager who insists on making the same elementary mistakes game after game. If he continues more will make a fool of him before the season is over and it may cost us! What other elementary mistakes has he made game after game…or is this an exaggeration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: What other elementary mistakes has he made game after game…or is this an exaggeration? playing players out of position? o dowda, scott and more persevering with Martin? no set pattern or set up allowing midfield to be over run continually playing youngsters when clearly not ready, fowler last season and this one as a very intelligent man once said the sign of madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 22 hours ago, petehinton said: You can go 4231 for me, arguably still the best formation for what we have atm with the injuries in midfield. Did it against QPR at home and it was the best, quickest and most urgent performance of the season, even with 10 men for large majority. Massengo and Scott as a two or even Massengo and Bakinson as a two with Benarous as the 10. Personally don’t see adamantly sticking with 352 is doing us a lot of favours. Respectfully disagree. We struggle with balls into the box specifically set plays. That's to do with personnel and doing jobs not formation. We played with a 4 v Millwall and were comprehensively outplayed. We changed to a 3 and were miles better. Unless Tanner is fit we really don't have a proper RB as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, The Bard said: Respectfully disagree. We struggle with balls into the box specifically set plays. That's to do with personnel and doing jobs not formation. We played with a 4 v Millwall and were comprehensively outplayed. We changed to a 3 and were miles better. Unless Tanner is fit we really don't have a proper RB as well. This latter bit is our Achilles heel. NP said in the summer that Vyner needed a settled position & so started him as RB in a 4, but after a poor display at Boro, I think, he was dropped (for Simpson) who got a couple of games, including the first win at Reading, before dropping back to the bench & then usually out of the squad completely. Once Tanner was signed Vyner was shifted back to CB, where despite the haters on here, he has had some decent displays alongside some poor ones. Tanner is now injured but even if he wasn’t, it would be an ask to expect him (with no prior experience above L2) to be first choice RB for the rest of the season. I’m hoping NP’s decision to play Dasilva there (as suggested by some on here ) is a sign he recognises we are short there, so either we sign another RB, or a CB & Vyner goes back there to compete with Scott, who really needs to play further forward. Edited January 17, 2022 by GrahamC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 30 minutes ago, frenchred said: playing players out of position? o dowda, scott and more persevering with Martin? no set pattern or set up allowing midfield to be over run continually playing youngsters when clearly not ready, fowler last season and this one as a very intelligent man once said the sign of madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results I could probably counter all of these points with a strong argument. We sit on opposite sides of the fence re Nige so that’s fine. Ill just take the top one as one to discuss / debate: Re Martin, have you noticed that as a certain Antoine Semenyo has come back from injury and got his match fitness, Martin has become less involved. Martin (top) Semenyo (bottom): A gradual phasing out of the “old” in with the “new”. To me that suggests that he’s kinda been forced to “flog” Martin because he wanted a physical presence in some shape or form up top. Until Semenyo was back fit and firing he had to “over-use” Martin. Wells has made token appearances from the bench but did start 4 on the trot without scoring (Forest L, West Brom L, Barnsley W, Brum L). I didn’t think Martin should’ve played as much as he did, but maybe we are seeing why. Antoine had a set-back when he first came back this season, perhaps had that not happened we’d have seen an earlier transition away from Martin. I think your second and fifth points contradict each other by the way! I think I accept that a manager won’t get it right all the time. I think he made mistakes on Saturday, I think he was wrong to play Towler too, but I genuinely do not see mistakes week in week out. You surely have to bare in mind where we are on a rebuild. We don’t even have a squad to play any set system with some form of square peg somewhere. That’s the reality imho. Good to debate though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I could probably counter all of these points with a strong argument. We sit on opposite sides of the fence re Nige so that’s fine. Ill just take the top one as one to discuss / debate: Re Martin, have you noticed that as a certain Antoine Semenyo has come back from injury and got his match fitness, Martin has become less involved. Martin (top) Semenyo (bottom): I think I accept that a manager won’t get it right all the time. I think he made mistakes on Saturday, I think he was wrong to play Towler too, but I genuinely do not see mistakes week in week out. You surely have to bare in mind where we are on a rebuild. We don’t even have a squad to play any set system with some form of square peg somewhere. That’s the reality imho. Good to debate though. Exactly right, a fact that’s lost on many City fans………It’s also worth remembering that Nige has had ongoing injury problems with several experienced players. Baker (who may not return) Williams, King and James all missing at various stages throughout the season so far. Add to that the youngster Tanner - it all adds up. Bearing that in mind Nige is doing a reasonable job given the resources at hand. If most of the injured players become available sooner rather than later - City will have a formidable midfield line up. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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