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With concussion & the long term effects in Ozzie Rules football we're seeing more & more junior players wearing protective head gear & there a few players at the top level wearing protective equipment also. I realise that our two games are totally different in their structures but does anyone know if any players have tried to protect their heads with similar equipment. I would think that because of the different game formats that such protection would be cumbersome or not feasible but I'm curious to know if it has been tried. I cannot remember seeing anything other than some facial protection for players in the past but maybe some of our OTIB members can enlighten me (without being rude :pray:).

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1 hour ago, grifty said:

Jimenez for Wolves wears a protective band which protects the area where he fractured his skull.

Thanks for that.

Do you know, I was watching Liverpool play against Arsenal last night and marvelling at Jota, thinking how brave (foolhardy?) he was to play without any head protection following his awful skull injury.

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1 hour ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Reading, if I recall correctly.

 

1 hour ago, grifty said:

Jimenez for Wolves wears a protective band which protects the area where he fractured his skull.

 

57 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Yep Stephen Hunt

Ah, I stand corrected. That's where I've got the Wolves bit from, thank you! 

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15 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Thanks for that.

Do you know, I was watching Liverpool play against Arsenal last night and marvelling at Jota, thinking how brave (foolhardy?) he was to play without any head protection following his awful skull injury.

I must have missed that - when was Jota’s awful head injury? 

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7 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

I must have missed that - when was Jota’s awful head injury? 

That was my point.

I was watching Liverpool thinking the player who had suffered the skull injury was Jota (Portuguese player, ex-Wolves, family name begins with J - as do many) when, of course, it was Jimenez, (actually Mexican, but with a Latin name who played in Portugal before joining Wolves, whose family name also begins with a J).

I got a little bit confused, that's all.

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27 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

That was my point.

I was watching Liverpool thinking the player who had suffered the skull injury was Jota (Portuguese player, ex-Wolves, family name begins with J - as do many) when, of course, it was Jimenez, (actually Mexican, but with a Latin name who played in Portugal before joining Wolves, whose family name also begins with a J).

I got a little bit confused, that's all.

So your point was Jota didn’t ever have a serious head injury yet you thought he was ‘foolhardy’ to play against Arsenal without wearing any head protection - half an hour ago you replied to another post (above) about Jimenez, the Wolves player and how he wears a protective head covering following a bad head injury, yet you then instantly confuse Jota for Jimenez - different players playing for different clubs - because their names both begin with “J” - oh well, well that’s weird ... perhaps I’m confused and misunderstood your posts - oh well, say goodnight to the troops Gracie ... 😳😄

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1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

So your point was Jota didn’t ever have a serious head injury yet you thought he was ‘foolhardy’ to play against Arsenal without wearing any head protection - half an hour ago you replied to another post (above) about Jimenez, the Wolves player and how he wears a protective head covering following a bad head injury, yet you then instantly confuse Jota for Jimenez - different players playing for different clubs - because their names both begin with “J” - oh well, well that’s weird ... perhaps I’m confused and misunderstood your posts - oh well, say goodnight to the troops Gracie ... 😳😄

Jota had been at Wolves, that’s why he got them mixed up.

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Protective headgear is against cuts and little else. Skulls (multi layered and laminated,) regrow and bond all the time such you shouldn't have weakness from previous fractures. If damage is extensive you'll get a plate but the skull still grows under and around that. Cech's headgear was more for confidence than anything else, he felt more secure playing in it.

As Scott reminds, you cannae change the laws of physics and when one's head rapidly accelerates or decelerates that old brain keeps rattling around inside the skull. That's the major issue with contact sports and headgear doesn't do anything for that.

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3 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

So your point was Jota didn’t ever have a serious head injury yet you thought he was ‘foolhardy’ to play against Arsenal without wearing any head protection - half an hour ago you replied to another post (above) about Jimenez, the Wolves player and how he wears a protective head covering following a bad head injury, yet you then instantly confuse Jota for Jimenez - different players playing for different clubs - because their names both begin with “J” - oh well, well that’s weird ... say goodnight to the troops Gracie ... 😳😄

Sometimes, it seems your pedantry has no limits.

I shall try to explain, slowly....

The OP was about protective headgear and @grifty posted that 'Jimenez for Wolves wears a protective band which protects the area where he fractured his skull.'

You will note that I have placed the full stop before the final punctuation marks, as the words I quoted form a stand alone sentence. 

Anyway, when, earlier this evening, I saw the words 'Jimenez for Wolves', I realised that I was mistaken the other evening and thought 'Oh, Silly Me!'

I replied to @grifty, and thanked him for inadvertently correcting me for, as I posted earlier, it was, of course, Jimenez (the current Wolves player, a Mexican, but with a Latin family name beginning with J, who used to play in Portugal before joining Wolves) who suffered a skull injury, not Jota (who is, in fact, an ex-Wolves player, but also has a family name beginning with J and also used to play in Portugal - he is, of course, Portuguese).

Not weird; I simply confused the two players. C'est tout.  

    

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I can never understand why more rugby players don't wear scrum caps, especially given when they're on the floor at rucks with a high chance of other players payers studs hitting them in the head when trying to get the ball. 

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8 hours ago, BTRFTG said:

Protective headgear is against cuts and little else. Skulls (multi layered and laminated,) regrow and bond all the time such you shouldn't have weakness from previous fractures. If damage is extensive you'll get a plate but the skull still grows under and around that. Cech's headgear was more for confidence than anything else, he felt more secure playing in it.

As Scott reminds, you cannae change the laws of physics and when one's head rapidly accelerates or decelerates that old brain keeps rattling around inside the skull. That's the major issue with contact sports and headgear doesn't do anything for that.

This is very true. Having seen the same young female rugby player twice in a matter of weeks in ED because of injuries to her head, I told her parents that she may be very good at other elements of the game and “brave” but she needed to stop playing games competitively until she could learn to tackle properly. It’s similar with Baker. There is no amount of headgear that will help if you keep putting your head in the wrong places at the wrong time, “brave” or not. I love his at times “do or die” “take no prisoners” attitude, but it does come with consequences in terms of increased risk of self-injury.

Rugby for all its faults has actually taken on board the risks of head injury a lot more than most other sports, particularly football. And helmets are not the answer as shown from American Football, where it just leads to even more reckless challenges and as many if not more head injuries. But you could say that’s just the American way anyway!

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9 minutes ago, Mr X said:

I can never understand why more rugby players don't wear scrum caps, especially given when they're on the floor at rucks with a high chance of other players payers studs hitting them in the head when trying to get the ball. 

Scrum caps are not really for protecting your head (because they don’t do much) but rather preventing the old “cauliflower ear”. It’s a better alternative than what we used to use, which was electrical tape around your head, taping your ears tightly to the side of your head to keep them out of harms way. And this was the era (in the 70s and 80s) when a boot to the head was a lot more common because of the rucking laws, which allowed players to “rake out” the ball with their feet from within a pile of bodies, plus scrums were much more a free-for-all.

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15 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

Scrum caps are not really for protecting your head (because they don’t do much) but rather preventing the old “cauliflower ear”. It’s a better alternative than what we used to use, which was electrical tape around your head, taping your ears tightly to the side of your head to keep them out of harms way. And this was the era (in the 70s and 80s) when a boot to the head was a lot more common because of the rucking laws, which allowed players to “rake out” the ball with their feet from within a pile of bodies, plus scrums were much more a free-for-all.

Been there & done that Dr Balls & got the scars to prove it. Them were the days :thumbsup:

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12 hours ago, Taz said:

Petr Cech wore head gear pretty much until he stopped playing I think. Was after the accident where he suffered that horrendous injury with the wolves(?) player.

Yeah, horrific injury,  and jiminez at wolves last year. Their injuries were skull fractures, which bakers wasnt as far as we know,,, i assume baker and specialists have been all over invesitgating this

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58 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

This is very true. Having seen the same young female rugby player twice in a matter of weeks in ED because of injuries to her head, I told her parents that she may be very good at other elements of the game and “brave” but she needed to stop playing games competitively until she could learn to tackle properly. It’s similar with Baker. There is no amount of headgear that will help if you keep putting your head in the wrong places at the wrong time, “brave” or not. I love his at times “do or die” “take no prisoners” attitude, but it does come with consequences in terms of increased risk of self-injury.

Rugby for all its faults has actually taken on board the risks of head injury a lot more than most other sports, particularly football. And helmets are not the answer as shown from American Football, where it just leads to even more reckless challenges and as many if not more head injuries. But you could say that’s just the American way anyway!

I played rugby to a decent standard and as a prop forward never wore headgear, nor got injured (though my knees decades later are ******.) Reason for that being first lesson we were brilliantly taught the dos and donts of engagement, key being eyes open and always watch your opponent. Engage like you mean it, no shirking, never turn away. Same reason I pulled my son from his obligatory rugby engagements given his schoolmaster didn't agree with the old ways and I was fed up with seeing his charges carted off to A&E.

Headgear leads to a false sense of security. In cricket these days you'll see more players being hit than when I played when there were no helmets. We were taught cricket balls are hard and dangerous, so always get in line and watch the thing for if you don't you'll be in big trouble. If it's coming at you move your head out of the way and watch it go past.

Ultimately there's nothing to be done with contact sport other than to make people lighter, slower and to shorten exposure to repeated acceleration and deceleration of the head. I love NFL but seeing two 250lb lumps of muscle impact at 20m/s, that's frightening. Makes me wince this side of the pond.

To make football safer the easy option would be to ban heading, but it's not football, is it?

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8 minutes ago, Mr X said:

I would never want heading taken out of Football but it would be interesting to watch a match where heading wasn't allowed to see properly what it'd be like. 

I imagine initially there’d be a lot of accidental heading!

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In keeping with the reference to Aussie Rules in the original post, a Collingwood player is currently applying to wear prescription protective sunglasses as a result of six major eye injuries that left him legally blind for a while.

He's tried them in training and says they work but the league has to sign it off.

 

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18 hours ago, Slacker said:

Can't really understand why footballers have to wear shin pads but rugby players don't have to wear scrum caps?

I don't understand that for shin pads, these days, footballers are allowed to wear pads the size of ice lolly sticks. 

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26 minutes ago, chucky said:

I don't understand that for shin pads, these days, footballers are allowed to wear pads the size of ice lolly sticks. 

Jack Grealish's are tiny.They must only weigh a couple of ounces,but he still can't wear them without falling over.

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