richwwtk Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, TBW said: If I meant average I'd have said average. Journey means played for a lot of teams. You can be good and play for a lot of teams. Journeyman sounds like it should mean played for a lot of teams, but it doesn't. It means an average, reliable and fairly unremarkable player. Edited January 24, 2022 by richwwtk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 6 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: The second tier of English football was called the Second Division for 100 years, then it was called the First Division for 12 years and now it has been known as the Championship for 17 years - I just think it’s a bit strange to have records that only acknowledge the last 17 years of the 129 year existence of tier two ... Agree….or at least qualify the basis of the record, e.g. since the advent of the PL, so people know. 2 hours ago, richwwtk said: Journeyman sounds like it should mean played for a lot of teams, but it doesn't. It means an average, reliable and fairly unremarkable player. Does it. I’ve always taken it to be a aged player who’s played for lots of teams generally at a certain level(s). E.g. 32 year old with 15 clubs mainly in one or two divisions. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Agree….or at least qualify the basis of the record, e.g. since the advent of the PL, so people know. Does it. I’ve always taken it to be a aged player who’s played for lots of teams generally at a certain level(s). E.g. 32 year old with 15 clubs mainly in one or two divisions. Yep, it's got a picture of Steve Claridge next to it in the dictionary! Albert's had a really decent career, played for some good clubs and got international recognition. Certainly another achievement to be proud of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, richwwtk said: Journeyman sounds like it should mean played for a lot of teams, but it doesn't. It means an average, reliable and fairly unremarkable player. Nope. Disagree. If someone had only played for two clubs but was "average, reliable and fairly unremarkable", would you call him a journeyman? Where has he journied to exactly, if only having played for two clubs? First Google results are: The Wikipedia definition which shows you are using the American definition, not the British. In which case, why aren't you saying "soccer" too? And then the below... which all support my use of the word. - The greatest football journeymen to play for 10 clubs or more - Dream Team Nicolas Anelka, Christian Vieri, Rivaldo, Luca Toni, Peter Crouch. - Football Journeyman: Top 20 Players With Most Number Of Club - Funs And Facts Some players shift numerous clubs throughout their football careers. They are known as journeymen footballers... - Journeymen: The six players to have played for seven or more Premier... Journeymen: The six players to have played for seven or more Premier League clubs - Andy Cole - 7 clubs - Craig Bellamy - 7 clubs - Wayne Routledge ... Edited January 24, 2022 by TBW 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just now, TBW said: Nope. Disagree. See in. In full agreement with @richwwtk Because it my world, 'disagree' means 'fully agree'. (Yes, I am being daft). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 36 minutes ago, TBW said: Nope. Disagree. If someone had only played for two clubs but was "average, reliable and fairly unremarkable", would you call him a journeyman? Where has he journied to exactly, if only having played for two clubs? First Google results are: The Wikipedia definition which shows you are using the American definition, not the British. In which case, why aren't you saying "soccer" too? And then the below... which all support my use of the word. - The greatest football journeymen to play for 10 clubs or more - Dream Team Nicolas Anelka, Christian Vieri, Rivaldo, Luca Toni, Peter Crouch. - Football Journeyman: Top 20 Players With Most Number Of Club - Funs And Facts Some players shift numerous clubs throughout their football careers. They are known as journeymen footballers... - Journeymen: The six players to have played for seven or more Premier... Journeymen: The six players to have played for seven or more Premier League clubs - Andy Cole - 7 clubs - Craig Bellamy - 7 clubs - Wayne Routledge ... 51 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Agree….or at least qualify the basis of the record, e.g. since the advent of the PL, so people know. Does it. I’ve always taken it to be a aged player who’s played for lots of teams generally at a certain level(s). E.g. 32 year old with 15 clubs mainly in one or two divisions. fair enough, I stand corrected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, richwwtk said: fair enough, I stand corrected That’ll be those orthotics … 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rag Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) My friend Rob who has learning difficulties was Alberts greatest fan. Birthdays in Robs world are very important so he would always get a card and gift for Albert and Bradley Orr. The day of Alberts birthday he was unusually warming up on the far side of the pitch. Warm up done he short off down the tunnel without coming over to our side. Rob was devastated that he could not give Albert his card and present. One of the stewards could see Robs plight but sadly she mistook Marvin Elliot for Albert. She took him on the pitch to present the card and gift to Marvin who looked bemused, so was Rob. Marvin proceeded down the tunnel. A minute or so latter Albert came sprinting out of the tunnel with a beaming smile ran over to Rob to thank him and make a right old fuss of him and presented Rob with his boots. Smashing bloke, good on you Albert. Edited January 24, 2022 by Red Rag Not finished typing 10 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, TBW said: Nope. Disagree. If someone had only played for two clubs but was "average, reliable and fairly unremarkable", would you call him a journeyman? Where has he journied to exactly, if only having played for two clubs? First Google results are: The Wikipedia definition which shows you are using the American definition, not the British. In which case, why aren't you saying "soccer" too? And then the below... which all support my use of the word. - The greatest football journeymen to play for 10 clubs or more - Dream Team Nicolas Anelka, Christian Vieri, Rivaldo, Luca Toni, Peter Crouch. - Football Journeyman: Top 20 Players With Most Number Of Club - Funs And Facts Some players shift numerous clubs throughout their football careers. They are known as journeymen footballers... - Journeymen: The six players to have played for seven or more Premier... Journeymen: The six players to have played for seven or more Premier League clubs - Andy Cole - 7 clubs - Craig Bellamy - 7 clubs - Wayne Routledge ... I’m sorry, but you’re completely wrong. Just because you’ve found other examples of football fans misusing the word doesn’t make you or them right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Literally the first result on Google. Taken from the Oxford English Dictionary. journeyman /ˈdʒəːnɪmən/ noun 1. a worker or sports player who is reliable but not outstanding. "a solid journeyman professional" 2. HISTORICAL a trained worker who is employed by someone else. "a journeyman carpenter" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just now, David Brent said: Literally the first result on Google. Taken from the Oxford English Dictionary. journeyman /ˈdʒəːnɪmən/ noun 1. a worker or sports player who is reliable but not outstanding. "a solid journeyman professional" 2. HISTORICAL a trained worker who is employed by someone else. "a journeyman carpenter" In American English, a journeyman or journeywoman is an athlete who is technically competent but unable to excel.[15] The term is used elsewhere (such as in British and Australian contexts) to refer to a professional sportsman who plays for numerous clubs during their career 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Leveller Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 41 minutes ago, Selred said: In American English, a journeyman or journeywoman is an athlete who is technically competent but unable to excel.[15] The term is used elsewhere (such as in British and Australian contexts) to refer to a professional sportsman who plays for numerous clubs during their career Interesting. Where’s that from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 48 minutes ago, Selred said: In American English, a journeyman or journeywoman is an athlete who is technically competent but unable to excel.[15] The term is used elsewhere (such as in British and Australian contexts) to refer to a professional sportsman who plays for numerous clubs during their career That’s the very last sentence of a lengthy Wikipedia article, the rest of which wholly supports the original meaning of the word. Reading the whole article explains the origin nicely. “Journey” is not related to travel but is from journee (meaning day) because these workers were paid daily. They hadn’t progressed to master craftsman level, so were considered of average ability. In time this football related malapropism will probably be accepted as a new meaning, but for the moment most people still consider journeyman as a mild insult meaning bang average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Leveller said: In time this football related malapropism will probably be accepted as a new meaning, but for the moment most people still consider journeyman as a mild insult meaning bang average. I've always considered it a player with a lot of clubs. How do we do a poll on here to see? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Loved Albert. He's only played two games in the prem - but i always thought he would end up a decent premier league player. Surprised its not worked out that way. Always wanted him to come back too. Ah well. Enjoyed the season he was with us. He literally carried that team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KegCity Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 What a player. There's a lot of talk about JET being our most exciting player in recent times but for me it was Albert, was always so consistent in a side that was complete shite. Him alongside Bolasie was one of the best attacks I've seen down City. Not that there's much competition... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, Selred said: I've always considered it a player with a lot of clubs. How do we do a poll on here to see? Pretty pointless, as it’s only really a few football fans who have adopted this use of the word, while the rest of the population carry on with the original/proper meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just now, Leveller said: Pretty pointless, as it’s only really a few football fans who have adopted this use of the word, while the rest of the population carry on with the original/proper meaning. In your opinion. I haven't heard of the other meaning until today to be honest. Looking online most major newspapers have used the term journeyman as in many clubs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Leveller said: Pretty pointless, as it’s only really a few football fans who have adopted this use of the word, while the rest of the population carry on with the original/proper meaning. The other way around though, sure. Looks like the poll disagrees with you too. Edited January 24, 2022 by TBW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 So both definitions are pretty much correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 5 hours ago, Red Rag said: My friend Rob who has learning difficulties was Alberts greatest fan. Birthdays in Robs world are very important so he would always get a card and gift for Albert and Bradley Orr. The day of Alberts birthday he was unusually warming up on the far side of the pitch. Warm up done he short off down the tunnel without coming over to our side. Rob was devastated that he could not give Albert his card and present. One of the stewards could see Robs plight but sadly she mistook Marvin Elliot for Albert. She took him on the pitch to present the card and gift to Marvin who looked bemused, so was Rob. Marvin proceeded down the tunnel. A minute or so latter Albert came sprinting out of the tunnel with a beaming smile ran over to Rob to thank him and make a right old fuss of him and presented Rob with his boots. Smashing bloke, good on you Albert. What a lovely story, on so many levels. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 A mate of mine ran the line at AG several times when Albert was with us. He said he was the fastest player he`d ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 26 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: A mate of mine ran the line at AG several times when Albert was with us. He said he was the fastest player he`d ever seen. Really? Of all the things I associated with AA, blistering pace wouldn't have been on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just now, Bristol Rob said: Really? Of all the things I associated with AA, blistering pace wouldn't have been on the list. That`s what Andy told me and can`t see why he would make it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: That`s what Andy told me and can`t see why he would make it up. Just an observation as a fan, no reason to doubt him, just never really considered AA that quick a player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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