Waconda Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 and just use Academy products and free transfers for the next 2 years at least ? Possible or not ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 I think that will be the general thrust, but including “sensible fees” for those young enough to be here longer term and with upside to gain in value. See my post about Barnsley as an example. (whilst accepting no transfer is a guaranteed success). We ain’t gonna spend £3m on a 30 year old striker anymore. I hope we won’t let players with value see out their contracts anymore. We need to get full value when we can, or else bite them bullet even if it’s just wages saved, e.g. Adam Nagy. Famara Diedhiou as an example is FFP suicide. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, VT05763 said: and just use Academy products and free transfers for the next 2 years at least ? Possible or not ? Possible but we'll probably get relegated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHIPLEY RED Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 If you want to be a successful club then the answer is no. We need a mix of young talent, free transfers, loans and some marquee signings - the mix is important. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Even free transfers aren’t always free / low cost. It might be just that a player has run down his contract but is wanted by many clubs. In which case there will be high salary expectations and agent’s fees to consider. Paying a transfer fee for a player from a lower division could be cheaper over the length of his contract. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 36 minutes ago, VT05763 said: and just use Academy products and free transfers for the next 2 years at least ? Possible or not ? Someone's been playing Football Manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, TBW said: Someone's been playing Football Manager. Yes, it works for a while but then after three or four seasons you find that you have eight goalkeepers and no central midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 It’s not quite this simple, but certainly the summer gives us an opportunity to further re-shape the squad. Simpson, Cundy, King, O’Dowda & Martin are all out of contract, & even if any of them get offered another deal, it is likely to be on less than at present. If we are active with those players out of contract elsewhere we can strengthen without spending too much. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted January 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 23 minutes ago, TBW said: Someone's been playing Football Manager. Not me, that is a children's computer game isn't it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted January 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 48 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I think that will be the general thrust, but including “sensible fees” for those young enough to be here longer term and with upside to gain in value. See my post about Barnsley as an example. (whilst accepting no transfer is a guaranteed success). We ain’t gonna spend £3m on a 30 year old striker anymore. I hope we won’t let players with value see out their contracts anymore. We need to get full value when we can, or else bite them bullet even if it’s just wages saved, e.g. Adam Nagy. Famara Diedhiou as an example is FFP suicide. Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 You always need experience in a side to guide the kids. There will be plenty of free transfers about in the next year or so . I’ve always said , the most money should be spent on our scouting network . If it’s good it saves millions in the long term 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted January 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: You always need experience in a side to guide the kids. There will be plenty of free transfers about in the next year or so . I’ve always said , the most money should be spent on our scouting network . If it’s good it saves millions in the long term We agree on something !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 50 minutes ago, CHIPLEY RED said: some marquee signings Mods,, Please move to 'dustbin thread... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Tanner and Atkinson relatively low transfer fees for the championship. Both young both with potential to make profit on. Low risk. And this will be the model the club will use for years to come. Fees for older players will rarely happen and we will sign them on a free and rotate the wages season after season. Player after player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, VT05763 said: We agree on something !! It won’t last long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 QPR are the model we need to follow with regards to recruiment, at least under Warburton. Smart reinvestment of funds from sales, nothing extravagant, older players on largers wages only on loan - mitigating longer term financial risk, etc. Read some daft stat earlier that out of the top 6, most squads cost are over £120m (Fulham, Bournemouth, WBA). QPR's first 18 (including bench) was something like £7m (not including any loan fees). Dickie, Dykes, Johansen, Field, and Willock cost a combined figure in the region of £4.7m - essentially for that same fee we bought Palmer and DaSilva. Austin, Odebajo, Dunne, Adomah, on frees; McCallum and Gray on loan. No fee for a single player over £2,5m essentially, plenty of frees - difference being, Eze aside, their Academy has no where near our profligate output with regards to our pathway system (O'Leary, Vyner, Towler, Scott, Benarous, Conway, Bell, Edwards, Pring, etc). The advantage to the latter being two fold - cheaper wages and greater profit margins (when/if sold). This summer will be huge. 20 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Tanner and Atkinson relatively low transfer fees for the championship. Both young both with potential to make profit on. Low risk. And this will be the model the club will use for years to come. Fees for older players will rarely happen and we will sign them on a free and rotate the wages season after season. Player after player. I'd actually say it was quite expensive; when you consider QPR signed Dickie, arguably a more complete player - albeit 2 years older - for only £300k more, in consideration of cumulative losses caused by COVID. We need to ultimate focus on wages, wages, and wages. Need to cut the high earners, or at least renegotiate contracts, or sell where we can maximise profit based on age/contract situation, i.e. Wells, Kalas, and Bentley as respective examples of each. Added to which others we need to make decisions on whose contract run out this season - O'Dowda, Martin, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 46 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: Yes, it works for a while but then after three or four seasons you find that you have eight goalkeepers and no central midfield. We might then keep a clean sheet! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 I suspect a lot of clubs are intending to make do with free signings over the next few years, so it should be possible to operate on that basis for a while. I would love for us to be able to shift some of the highest earners through that period, but that looks quite unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 hours ago, VT05763 said: Not me, that is a children's computer game isn't it ? No, that's FIFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 hours ago, VT05763 said: and just use Academy products and free transfers for the next 2 years at least ? Possible or not ? It's like 1982 all over again..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Not sure if it will be "Stop paying transfer fees" as opposed to "Sell academy products and reinvest wisely" as a means to refresh the squad. The key word there of course is "wisely". We have sold to spend before, but had run out of saleable assets until this season. Unfortunately he who shall not be named just spunked the cash for fun to feed his ego trip. With Gould at the helm I would hope that we will be far more sensible. It's a shame that we didn't approach Biff before he left Man City for West Ham. The emotional pull might just have been enough to tempt him here. Now that would have been an ambitious signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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