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6 hours ago, Robbored said:

Bit of rant there Big AL……..hungoever?………..:dunno:

 

6 hours ago, Robbored said:

Bit of rant there Big AL……..hungoever?………..:dunno:

Hungoever?

Stop speaking Nailsease. Then again perhaps you’re making more sense than normal.

I knows you be one of them Lansdown luvvers ?

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8 minutes ago, BigAl&Toby said:

 

Hangover?

Stop speaking Nailsease. Then again perhaps you’re making more sense than normal.

I knows you be one of them Lansdown luvvers 

There’s a difference between respecting and ‘luvving’ Big Al. 

Sure SL has made managerial errors (as most owners do) but those mistakes are outweighed considerably by the tremendous benefits he’s brought to Bristol City.
 

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22 minutes ago, Robbored said:

There’s a difference between respecting and ‘luvving’ Big Al. 

Sure SL has made managerial errors (as most owners do) but those mistakes are outweighed considerably by the tremendous benefits he’s brought to Bristol City.
 

Behave yourself. Put another Wurzels record on. Put that Thatchers down.

And make I a list. Of all the tremendous benefits he’s brought to Bristol City.

I’ll give ‘ee one.

Elton’s coming in the summer……

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15 minutes ago, BigAl&Toby said:

And make I a list. Of all the tremendous benefits he’s brought to Bristol City.

I’ll give ‘ee one.

I’ll give you a couple more benefits 1) the redevelopment of AG, even you will admit that it’s pretty good these days. 2) the development of the new training facilities which are apparently of PL standard.

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On 18/03/2022 at 10:00, Ivorguy said:

The news that SL wishes to build a new suburb around Ashton Gate clarifies two things, imo

1.  City are a very small part of SL’s long term plan

2. He is not quite the Great Benefactor some City fans believe him to be, he is an entrepreneur seeking to maximise profit for himself.

 

I don’t have any objection to that as an aim, but I do have an objection that his imperial dream has never been open, and City fans being used as dupes.  First we got BS and now this new plan.  Perhaps we might now be told the ultimate end game? A rebranding of Bristol into Lansdown City perhaps!

Spot on.
Everyone was like ‘oooo he’s spent 5.3m on a striker. He’s bought us a premiership centre back for best part of 8m. Thanks Steve. Ooo he’s lost nearly 200m quid on City and built us a modern stadium and training ground. What a great guy.’


But now his plan is clear. It was all just a distraction to minimise affordable housing in his new suburb, Chipping Lansdown 

Nice plan. But we’re on to you, Steve. 

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2 hours ago, gl2 said:

It is not our stadium we just play there, we have no imput on who else plays there or its design or inhabitants.

Do we get anything from the matchday sales around and in the stadium? anyone know? who gets the money from the contracts from these sellers? Money from multiple concerts does that go in NP transfer pot?

Nice if it was our own stadium its not its one of SL`s companies, its not a "gift" to us

Who's "we" and "us", the fans have never owned the stadium, unless it's a community club the football club & stadium are always owned by someone else, so long as our team plays there surely that's all that matters?

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1 hour ago, Robbored said:

I’ll give you a couple more benefits 1) the redevelopment of AG, even you will admit that it’s pretty good these days. 2) the development of the new training facilities which are apparently of PL standard.

It is. It’s very, very good. But the football isn’t. I’d rather watch decent football and get soaked to the skin.

But if shiny seats and pies and pints is your thing - whilst enduring piss poor football then carry on……

Ah yes. The High Performance Centre. I refer you to my previous comment M’Lud.

HPC producing mediocrity.

Give I some more. 

From a purely footballing point of view we’ve regressed. We’re in no better position now than we were BL.

He on the other hand is sitting on a nice fat slice of freeholds in BS3. That for his, Junior’s and Junior’s Junior’s generation will only ever go one way….

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10 minutes ago, BigAl&Toby said:

It is. It’s very, very good. But the football isn’t. I’d rather watch decent football and get soaked to the skin.

But if shiny seats and pies and pints is your thing - whilst enduring piss poor football then carry on……

Ah yes. The High Performance Centre. I refer you to my previous comment M’Lud.

HPC producing mediocrity.

Give I some more. 

From a purely footballing point of view we’ve regressed. We’re in no better position now than we were BL.

The HPC is in its first season. Only a fool would expect results so soon. Facilities like it lake time to flourish.

The football served up by Nige is far, far better than the shite served up by GJ despite the fact he’s been severely hampered by the injuries to his senior players, At no stage this season has he been able to select his strongest team.

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On 18/03/2022 at 10:00, Ivorguy said:

The news that SL wishes to build a new suburb around Ashton Gate clarifies two things, imo

1.  City are a very small part of SL’s long term plan

2. He is not quite the Great Benefactor some City fans believe him to be, he is an entrepreneur seeking to maximise profit for himself.

 

I don’t have any objection to that as an aim, but I do have an objection that his imperial dream has never been open, and City fans being used as dupes.  First we got BS and now this new plan.  Perhaps we might now be told the ultimate end game? A rebranding of Bristol into Lansdown City perhaps!

OK one of the weirder posts . I can't read through this entire thread because I'd be lost in conspiracy theories and Bullshit . 
But I have some thoughts.

The vast majority of the money spent on his project has been on City , so not a small part at all.

The long term plan was originally not even around the Gate, so .......

He is an entrepreneur , it's how he's made enough money to invest in a football club. But anyone who thinks someone goes into football ownership to make money is way off. I give you there are the odd exception, most more by luck than judgement.

I'm guessing you posted this with tongue in cheek, Bristol would never be renamed. A suburb maybe, we've had St George, St Pauls so St Steves ?

29 minutes ago, BigAl&Toby said:

But if shiny seats and pies and pints is your thing - whilst enduring piss poor football then carry on……

The shiny seats have increased season ticket and attendances massively. The stadium allows us to massive increase revenue and no one can guarantee good football, ask Everton. Things go in waves, it did look like we were on the up, we've stalled, it happens.

 

Sorry, I just realised I think this is a joke thread. The only thing missing is a Half Man Half Biscuit reference. 

So it's back to talking about the Big Man Up Front and the Oblong of dreams that is Ashton Gate. Going to away games and Slipping the escort, or singing a Token COVID song. 

 

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4 hours ago, gl2 said:

It is not our stadium we just play there, we have no imput on who else plays there or its design or inhabitants.

Do we get anything from the matchday sales around and in the stadium? anyone know? who gets the money from the contracts from these sellers? Money from multiple concerts does that go in NP transfer pot?

Nice if it was our own stadium its not its one of SL`s companies, its not a "gift" to us

******* clueless. 

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4 hours ago, gl2 said:

Do we get anything from the matchday sales around and in the stadium?

Ashton Gate Ltd does.

anyone know?

yes, many on OTIB do.

who gets the money from the contracts from these sellers?

Ashton Gate Ltd does.

Money from multiple concerts does that go in NP transfer pot?

yes, indirectly.   Ashton Gate Ltd and Bristol City Ltd are part of Bristol City Holdings Ltd, and we use Holdings as the basis for FFP reporting.

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10 hours ago, ashton_fan said:

So we've been duped by somebody building us a £70m new stadium who's paid for it all himself at no cost to us? Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth!

Bristol City Ltd pay rent to Ashton Gate Ltd on it. As do Bristol Bears.

Ashton Gate Ltd pay interest on it to Pula (Lansdown) and the Bank.

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The big question from me to the proper financial experts on here is whether there is any true benefit of Ashton Gate being under its own company (Ashton Gate Limited), other than to keep it separate from the football club should it goes bust.

It hasn’t turned in a profit in recent years.

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Not the two years before this!

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11 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Bristol City Ltd pay rent to Ashton Gate Ltd on it. As do Bristol Bears.

Ashton Gate Ltd pay interest on it to Pula (Lansdown) and the Bank.

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The big question from me to the proper financial experts on here is whether there is any true benefit of Ashton Gate being under its own company (Ashton Gate Limited), other than to keep it separate from the football club should it goes bust.

It hasn’t turned in a profit in recent years.

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Not the two years before this!

You know the answer to that question! Stop laying bread on the water. 

Ok. I’ll have a nibble…..

Keep it separate. Weave a web. Register off shore. Generate revenue streams that ultimately feed the ultimate beneficial owner. Keep it all at an arms length transaction.

Nothing conspiracy based here. All legal and legitimate.

Let the lemmings believe he’s a good man. Let them believe he’s doing it to make Bristol Proud.

And yes @RobboredI am that fool. HPC my backside.

Like Ashton Gate, all that glitters isn’t necessarily gold……..

Anyway when are The Killers coming. Elton’s not my cup of tea….

Football success anytime soon? Unlikely…… ?

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12 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

OK one of the weirder posts . I can't read through this entire thread because I'd be lost in conspiracy theories and Bullshit . 
But I have some thoughts.

The vast majority of the money spent on his project has been on City , so not a small part at all.

The long term plan was originally not even around the Gate, so .......

He is an entrepreneur , it's how he's made enough money to invest in a football club. But anyone who thinks someone goes into football ownership to make money is way off. I give you there are the odd exception, most more by luck than judgement.

I'm guessing you posted this with tongue in cheek, Bristol would never be renamed. A suburb maybe, we've had St George, St Pauls so St Steves ?

The shiny seats have increased season ticket and attendances massively. The stadium allows us to massive increase revenue and no one can guarantee good football, ask Everton. Things go in waves, it did look like we were on the up, we've stalled, it happens.

 

Sorry, I just realised I think this is a joke thread. The only thing missing is a Half Man Half Biscuit reference. 

So it's back to talking about the Big Man Up Front and the Oblong of dreams that is Ashton Gate. Going to away games and Slipping the escort, or singing a Token COVID song. 

 

Jesus Christ. You could have ******* millions coming week in week out to watch us throw away 3 points in the last few minutes of every home game.
 

On non-football match days you could have Elton crooning or the great and the good from the Merchant Venturers hosting business breakfasts.

Or rugby. Or basketball. Or develop a hotel. Or car parks.

The plan has always been to acquire a massive development site, develop it and make it sweat. Sweat hard. To feed the hand of the man who created the beast.

And you really think that the acquisition of Ashton Vale was solely about creating a new stadium? And then leaving a mish mash of far more costly and difficult buildings to redevelop?

Deluded. But then that’s why Stevie lives offshore and I don’t…..

He rode his Trojan Horse in with his eyes wide open….

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14 minutes ago, BigAl&Toby said:

You know the answer to that question! Stop laying bread on the water. 

Ok. I’ll have a nibble…..

Keep it separate. Weave a web. Register off shore. Generate revenue streams that ultimately feed the ultimate beneficial owner. Keep it all at an arms length transaction.

Nothing conspiracy based here. All legal and legitimate.

Let the lemmings believe he’s a good man. Let them believe he’s doing it to make Bristol Proud.

And yes @RobboredI am that fool. HPC my backside.

Like Ashton Gate, all that glitters isn’t necessarily gold……..

Anyway when are The Killers coming. Elton’s not my cup of tea….

Football success anytime soon? Unlikely…… ?

I’m struggling to understand your hostility and negativity towards SL. It could be envy and resentment of course but that’s not likely………….:cool2:

The guy has made a billion thru his sharpe business acumen and I certainly have no problem with him expanding his revenue streams and increasing his wealth - that’s what seriously rich people do, money goes to money as we all know.

Personally I’m glad that SL, a Bristolian is putting a serious amount of money back into his home City. We should be thanking him

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27 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I’m struggling to understand your hostility and negativity towards SL. It could be envy and resentment of course but that’s not likely………….:cool2:

The guy has made a billion thru his sharpe business acumen and I certainly have no problem with him expanding his revenue streams and increasing his wealth - that’s what seriously rich people do, money goes to money as we all know.

Personally I’m glad that SL, a Bristolian is putting a serious amount of money back into his home City. We should be thanking him

I think some people would prefer it if we still had the Local carpet salesman in charge or maybe a fake sheik or Russian Oligarch instead of a Bristolian billionaire?

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1 hour ago, BigAl&Toby said:

The plan has always been to acquire a massive development site, develop it and make it sweat. Sweat hard. To feed the hand of the man who created the beast.

Do you somehow believe that SL is making a profit from all this? The whole sporting quarter thing may turn it around and indeed turn a profit in the future, but SL has always said that his intention is for the whole shebang to be self sustaining leaving a legacy that will live on beyond him. It's nothing underhand.

He's not been perfect of course, his taste in managers leaves a lot to be desired and some of the staff appointments have been questionable, but I do believe his heart is in it and he is doing his best.

The facilities he has now built, whilst not Man City, are easily mid to lower Prem standard. We just need the right combination of staff, players and luck to see us follow to that level on the pitch, and I have no doubt it will happen in the next few years. What is happening here is for the long tem, not just a fleeting couple of seasons.

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1 hour ago, BigAl&Toby said:

The plan has always been to acquire a massive development site, develop it and make it sweat. Sweat hard

I've seen some batshit crazy conspiracy theories, but **** me, this is out there.

So your theory is.....

He buys City, and pumps in £200 million or more. But not to benefit the club, but to acquire the land near by to earn money. Land he could have got even if he didn't own the Club.

But he's going to put a Basket ball arena there, well known for raking in Millions a year . Oh , and a hotel ? 

He still owns Long Ashton site , so he didn't need to spend money on the Stadium, and he'd be £200 million better off. Not the move of a great developer really.  He got a great piece of land by Long Ashton Golf Club, and put a training ground on it, 

The off field bits , not sure how this ties in with your land grab theory.

But just trying to be sensible for a second. Most clubs need more income streams, they can't rely on Football alone. Rugby means the stadium is used better. Elton John or whoever brings in more money, and pre COVID we had the largest Conference space bringing in a large amount of money. Money which filters to the Club.

Criticise for bad football business choices, bad appointments, too little or too much loyalty to managers , hard to argue

1 hour ago, BigAl&Toby said:

And you really think that the acquisition of Ashton Vale was solely about creating a new stadium? And then leaving a mish mash of far more costly and difficult buildings to redevelop?

Your inside knowledge of Steve and what he's thinking is impressive.

So he spent hundreds of thousands on buying land, planning & permissions, all as a smoke screen ? You're saying he was always going to develop the Gate and it was all a ploy ? The agreed Sale of the Gate to Sainsbury's a ploy ? The plans, amendments and countless Council meetings all a ploy to buy land next to Ashton Gate that could be bought whether you owned next door or not ?

To use your Trojan horse analogy .
It's like the Greeks getting into Troy inside the horse, then sneaking out and attacking next door . 

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9 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

I've seen some batshit crazy conspiracy theories, but **** me, this is out there.

So your theory is.....

He buys City, and pumps in £200 million or more. But not to benefit the club, but to acquire the land near by to earn money. Land he could have got even if he didn't own the Club.

But he's going to put a Basket ball arena there, well known for raking in Millions a year . Oh , and a hotel ? 

He still owns Long Ashton site , so he didn't need to spend money on the Stadium, and he'd be £200 million better off. Not the move of a great developer really.  He got a great piece of land by Long Ashton Golf Club, and put a training ground on it, 

The off field bits , not sure how this ties in with your land grab theory.

But just trying to be sensible for a second. Most clubs need more income streams, they can't rely on Football alone. Rugby means the stadium is used better. Elton John or whoever brings in more money, and pre COVID we had the largest Conference space bringing in a large amount of money. Money which filters to the Club.

Criticise for bad football business choices, bad appointments, too little or too much loyalty to managers , hard to argue

Your inside knowledge of Steve and what he's thinking is impressive.

So he spent hundreds of thousands on buying land, planning & permissions, all as a smoke screen ? You're saying he was always going to develop the Gate and it was all a ploy ? The agreed Sale of the Gate to Sainsbury's a ploy ? The plans, amendments and countless Council meetings all a ploy to buy land next to Ashton Gate that could be bought whether you owned next door or not ?

To use your Trojan horse analogy .
It's like the Greeks getting into Troy inside the horse, then sneaking out and attacking next door . 

Thing is the club don’t get the income stream does it? Steve gets it.

And I’m saying Steve has wasted millions on the project. But he knew what his exit was. He hedged his bets.

If he couldn’t get planning to move the stadium across Winterstoke Road it didn’t matter. He’d have houses instead.

And yes. I’ve heard it said…. You? 

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23 minutes ago, BigAl&Toby said:

Thing is the club don’t get the income stream does it? Steve gets it.

And I’m saying Steve has wasted millions on the project. But he knew what his exit was. He hedged his bets.

If he couldn’t get planning to move the stadium across Winterstoke Road it didn’t matter. He’d have houses instead.

And yes. I’ve heard it said…. You? 

Man seeking to recoup investment through alternative scheme isn’t the smoking gun scandal you think it is. 

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14 minutes ago, BigAl&Toby said:

Thing is the club don’t get the income stream does it? Steve gets it.

And I’m saying Steve has wasted millions on the project. But he knew what his exit was. He hedged his bets.

If he couldn’t get planning to move the stadium across Winterstoke Road it didn’t matter. He’d have houses instead.

And yes. I’ve heard it said…. You? 

He has wasted millions because we aren't in the Prem, in that respect yep wasted millions.
Hedged his bets? We had a stadium, he wanted to build a brand new one which would increase revenue etc. The new one fell through , no fault of the Lansdown's but it left one obvious option, rebuild Ashton Gate. If he builds houses , so what? He bought the land for a Stadium and was let down at the last step, what's he supposed to do, donate it to Science ?
You are of course right, as Steve owns the whole thing, the money does go to him. But I'm guessing some of the non football income listed on the accounts would be from the Stadium, and so does go to the Club. 

He does have a massive get out, he always has had. He's a Billionaire , twice over. He has been able to risk and gamble to build the stadium, the local area and the teams , and not have to worry about the bank calling in the loan on his house.

 

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