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15 minutes ago, Waconda said:

Said it at the time should've kept Lansbury and Hunt but instead replaced them with King, Simpson and James = Awful business.

All about opinions.
I thought Lansbury was poor and Hunt too. Right to move them both on.
Simpson, towards the end of his fist year he started to look ok. Previous to that I would have got rid, but could understand circumstances meant it made sense, though hindsight says no. I would say King & James have had a positive impact, much more so than Lansbury, only stopped by injury.

 

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20 minutes ago, harrys said:

Hang on, Martin and Weimann have 30 league goals between them (possibly the most productive partnership in the division) we have three of the most talented youngsters in the division, we have two experienced midfielders with premiership experience, two centre halfs that have won promotion from this division and a keeper than many think is one of the divisions best yet we are still a shambles, Pearson has been a massive disappointment and we are as bad this April as we were last April, there is no way this team should be near the foot of the table playing the most dreadful football and no one can tell me that the likes of Millwal, Luton, Blackburn etc have better players yet are fighting for promotion 

Agree with this 100%.

Much of the shouting down of any constructive criticism of performances and results over the last 14 months is beginning to look more and more like desperate excuse making to deflect from the obvious embarrassment  and disappointment many will be feeling after trumpeting this Manager as the the Messiah, coming in to "kick lazy back sides"  sort out the "dead wood", make us aggressive, organised and difficult to beat.

He hasn't got an easy job, no new manager taking over a club usually does but we have underperformed with the quality of squad available consistently over 14 months.

 

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4 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

All about opinions.
I thought Lansbury was poor and Hunt too. Right to move them both on.
Simpson, towards the end of his fist year he started to look ok. Previous to that I would have got rid, but could understand circumstances meant it made sense, though hindsight says no. I would say King & James have had a positive impact, much more so than Lansbury, only stopped by injury.

 

I disagree but then all about opinions.

Lansbury has a chance of being a Premier League player next season.

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3 minutes ago, Waconda said:

I disagree but then all about opinions.

Lansbury has a chance of being a Premier League player next season.

So does Tom Lockyer, strange game football. 

 

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1 hour ago, harrys said:

Hang on, Martin and Weimann have 30 league goals between them (possibly the most productive partnership in the division) we have three of the most talented youngsters in the division, we have two experienced midfielders with premiership experience, two centre halfs that have won promotion from this division and a keeper than many think is one of the divisions best yet we are still a shambles, Pearson has been a massive disappointment and we are as bad this April as we were last April, there is no way this team should be near the foot of the table playing the most dreadful football and no one can tell me that the likes of Millwal, Luton, Blackburn etc have better players yet are fighting for promotion 

Keepers letting in 30-35 yarders from Steve Cook and who simply cannot kick a ball without putting snow and huge backspin on it certainly don’t strike me as being up there amongst the best in the division. Bentley is a World Beater/Panel Beater type keeper. It’s not an accident that our football has regressed since he’s been back - unfortunately the other lad can play out but saves **** all.

Talented youngsters = inconsistency. Scott has been shite lately, understandable mind, but that’s the facts.

What Kalas has achieved in the past is completely and utterly irrelevant to the schoolboy errors he has made that have cost us goals this season.

The fact that Matty James has Premiership experience does not bar him from having the passing accuracy of a Toolstation League player in some matches, that’s got nothing to do with tactics.

The fact we have struggled for two and a half seasons under three different managers SHOULD tell you something about the ability of the players we have.

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53 minutes ago, Waconda said:

I disagree but then all about opinions.

Lansbury has a chance of being a Premier League player next season.

No he doesn’t, he’ll be first to get his arse kicked out of the door if they got promoted.

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1 hour ago, Numero Uno said:

No he doesn’t, he’ll be first to get his arse kicked out of the door if they got promoted.

You have of course no idea of knowing this.

I said "chance" and he does have that.

Meanwhile Czech International Kalas and Austrian International Weimann have absolutely no chance, currently marooned in an absolute shambles of a team.

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11 hours ago, Supersonic Robin said:

I see where you're coming from, and it's something I've wondered about quite a bit. I think it comes down to the difference between a "squad on paper" and a starting 11 in practice.

Were you to simply look at a squad list, you'd see we have quite a few good individual players, perhaps more so than some other clubs higher in the table. (Bentley, Kalas, Baker, Klose, Atkinson, Weimann, Semenyo, Wells etc - lots of "high value names" in there).

The problem is that it's incredibly difficult to actually make a strong, balanced starting 11 out of our squad. How many games this season have we had to start without an actual RB/RWB playing at RB/RWB? Do we have any real wingers in the squad at all? O'Dowda is the only one really - our best attacking players are all most effective through the centre. That's a real issue in selecting a starting 11. 

Conversely, other clubs may have fewer "star players", but they have a collection of players that compliment one another and that fit into a clear set-up/system. 

Good post.  The squad was unbalanced even at the start of the season….compromises made in summer recruitment after losing several players.  Through injury, it’s been exposed further.  The finances have made it difficult to address that imbalance.

9 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said:

I’m no Billy Shakespeare I will give you dat 

Perhaps if you were Craig it would be a help! 😉

2 hours ago, harrys said:

Hang on, Martin and Weimann have 30 league goals between them (possibly the most productive partnership in the division) we have three of the most talented youngsters in the division, we have two experienced midfielders with premiership experience, two centre halfs that have won promotion from this division and a keeper than many think is one of the divisions best yet we are still a shambles, Pearson has been a massive disappointment and we are as bad this April as we were last April, there is no way this team should be near the foot of the table playing the most dreadful football and no one can tell me that the likes of Millwal, Luton, Blackburn etc have better players yet are fighting for promotion 

See SuperSonic’s quoted post above.

I guess if you take the best bits of every player and take that as your baseline, you’ll see a decent team / squad.  But our players don’t play at those levels week in week out for they?  Plus it is unbalanced with little depth.  The fact that our young ones are covering that depth makes my opinion that it isn’t a great squad.

But all about opinions, just explaining mine. 😀

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14 minutes ago, Waconda said:

You have of course no idea of knowing this.

I said "chance" and he does have that.

Meanwhile Czech International Kalas and Austrian International Weimann have absolutely no chance, currently marooned in an absolute shambles of a team.

Colin Cramb played in the Premier League, fair play to any individual that achieves it, but hardly a sign that they’re de facto the creme de la creme of the footballing world and worth retaining/acquiring. 

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42 minutes ago, Waconda said:

You have of course no idea of knowing this.

I said "chance" and he does have that.

Meanwhile Czech International Kalas and Austrian International Weimann have absolutely no chance, currently marooned in an absolute shambles of a team.

**** me your repetitiveness is getting boring.

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8 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

**** me your repetitiveness is getting boring.

Apologies for having a differing opinion to you.

Please put me on ignore.

I will do the same to you.

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3 minutes ago, Waconda said:

Apologies for having a differing opinion to you.

Please put me on ignore.

I will do the same to you.

Can’t be arsed with that but after two days of uttering the word shambles and not much else most people would get bored of it themselves tbh.

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7 hours ago, real_bristol said:

I think Pearson has done ok. Maybe a little lower than what we expected but I don’t think we should be looking elsewhere until the fall at the earliest. He is also not the sort of character we should be undermining with a DoF either. I get the impression the board are trying something new with Pearson, giving him more control of the stuff Ashton kept for himself. It also seems clear to me that JL was proved right over the DH appointment and so what if he went AWOL for a bit because Ashton probably made him nauseous like the rest of us. 
 

I can’t go to the games but I’ve watched at least 90% this season on Robins TV. I’ve seen a huge improvement in our performance overall in particular against the stronger teams where we no longer give up or look like an embarrassment. The way I assessed today’s game was to wonder what it would have been like under LJ or DH after going 3-1 down.

Not gonna lie, I’m excited for next season under Pearson. I judge him on what he’s achieved with the likes of Cundy, HNM, Semenyo, Weimann, Martin even, Atkinson, Bentley, Dasilva…. Even if we lose one of the three of SMS, I’m still optimistic. When was the last time we gave a “big name” manager a decent amount of time to make the club his own. Let’s also not forget he wanted 3 seasons. 
 

Nige for me is like the Sean O’Driscoll that we all wanted but never got. He’s giving the kids a chance but is in danger of being a victim of his own transition.  For me it would be a step backwards to part company with him now.

The fall?

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I bet if we'd kept Hunt and Lansbury the same people would be saying "I said they were past their best, mad decision by Pearson to keep them, what happened to his supposed contacts? Loads of good frees around like Simpson, King, James... surely he could have attracted some of his old Leicester squad to help us out? They probably know he's failing and didn't want to be associated with him again." or some bollocks like that.

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13 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

I bet if we'd kept Hunt and Lansbury the same people would be saying "I said they were past their best, mad decision by Pearson to keep them, what happened to his supposed contacts? Loads of good frees around like Simpson, King, James... surely he could have attracted some of his old Leicester squad to help us out? They probably know he's failing and didn't want to be associated with him again." or some bollocks like that.

Probably but you don't know that, it's not fact.

Just your opinion.

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1 hour ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said:

He has been a bit part player at Luton.

Out of interest, as City are often compared to Luton.

Heres a useful graphic I just found on Transfermarkt.

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Luton not got any players u21 in their 26 man squad.  FWIW, Lansbury has started 15 / subbed on 14.

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City’s 24 man squad includes 4 u21s.  Doesn’t include Conway, Bell…assume it is based on minutes played.

Heres the minutes of the u21s for each team.

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Just thought it was interesting to compare one v the other.  Over 5k minutes played by our u21s….just 159 by Luton’s.

Luton have got recruitment spot-on with Harford, Chapple and Socik.  It is what we must aspire to, to get ourselves back on track.

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2 hours ago, Waconda said:

Apologies for having a differing opinion to you.

Please put me on ignore.

I will do the same to you.

You have looked at Lansburys stats for this season haven't you?  Half the games played, used as a sub quite a bit he's cover he will get released if they get promoted possibly replaced if they don't.

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9 hours ago, MarcusX said:

But the deductions are there, you play to what’s actually happening / happened not theoretical situations. No guarantee that Derby perform as well without the deduction - it may have helped galvanise the squad, us against the world mentality

'Us against the world' - not something we've seen from any NP team- no passion , no putting bodies on the line, no pride in the shirt ( other than in glimpses and exceptions to the rule).

Deductions of points are real as far as the table goes but also help mask the real position of where we really are in terms of progress. As for Derby - perhaps this is more about the Manager, the same cant be said for Reading.

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3 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

'Us against the world' - not something we've seen from any NP team- no passion , no putting bodies on the line, no pride in the shirt ( other than in glimpses and exceptions to the rule).

Deductions of points are real as far as the table goes but also help mask the real position of where we really are in terms of progress. As for Derby - perhaps this is more about the Manager, the same cant be said for Reading.

Weren't the points deducted though as they unfairly increased the quality of their squads by breaking rules we're expected to follow? If so, why would you want to add the points back on when comparing?

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2 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

Weren't the points deducted though as they unfairly increased the quality of their squads by breaking rules we're expected to follow? If so, why would you want to add the points back on when comparing?

Easier to moan about us then?

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6 hours ago, Eastred said:

Would you be happy being a Forest fan who have managed to improve significantly with loans?

I guess the point I’m point I’m making is to highlight a perceived stubbornness about Pearson. Not wanting to deal with agents or use loan players doesn’t seem to be particularly open minded 

And loans are Free right? We are on the verge of an FFP deduction if we don’t sell in the next window and that may still happen.  I don’t know what Forests books look like but I will guess about as tidy as ours (he said ironically)

I guess Pearson  would say I’ve been doing this thirty years! This is what works in the long term and anyway this is the mandate I’ve been given.

The fact is we have given Massengo Atkinson Scott Cundy Benerous Pring et al game time that adds significantly to their value. Good luck to Forest but if they don’t make it they will just keep on spending the way Ashton did!

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, IAmNick said:

I bet if we'd kept Hunt and Lansbury the same people would be saying "I said they were past their best, mad decision by Pearson to keep them, what happened to his supposed contacts? Loads of good frees around like Simpson, King, James... surely he could have attracted some of his old Leicester squad to help us out? They probably know he's failing and didn't want to be associated with him again." or some bollocks like that.

Absolutely this, Hunt was on circa £14k a week too, I’m probably in the minority who thought he was ok, & with the benefit of hindsight he has suddenly become another Bradley Orr but these sums simply weren’t sustainable.

There would have been an outcry on here if Pearson had kept Lansbury (FWIW I thought he was right to let him go) yet released Liam Walsh, who has done absolutely nothing this season at Swansea or Hull, by the way, one Pearson (not OTIB) got spot on.

I laugh at this “he has to get it right this summer” stuff, our recruitment team look poor & we have absolutely no money but apparently it is make or break if he doesn’t find 3 or 4 gems.

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4 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Absolutely this, Hunt was on circa £14k a week too, I’m probably in the minority who thought he was ok, & with the benefit of hindsight he has suddenly become another Bradley Orr but these sums simply weren’t sustainable.

There would have been an outcry on here if Pearson had kept Lansbury (FWIW I thought he was right to let him go) yet released Liam Walsh, who has done absolutely nothing this season at Swansea or Hull, by the way, one Pearson (not OTIB) got spot on.

I laugh at this “he has to get it right this summer” stuff, our recruitment team look poor & we have absolutely no money but apparently it is make or break if he doesn’t find 3 or 4 gems.

Walsh leaving was nothing to do with Pearson, he left on his own terms and was never going to sign a contract, decision pre dating Pearson.

So no blame can be attached to NP for Walsh.

Swapping Hunt and Lansbury for Simpson, King and James I do have an issue with.

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1 minute ago, Roger Red Hat said:

Wasn't Hunt ooc, and Lansbury only here on a short term deal?

Yes indeed, quite possibly wanted out anyway.

But as the option we took was to replace that "dead wood" with more "dead wood" we could have had a go at keeping them, possibly, perhaps we did.

Academic now.

 

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