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The amount of times I have heard us fans (myself included) arguing who should or not be manager. I would just like to highlight that pretty much all of us want SOD and NP and yet none of us wanted Cotts who gave us the best season I have witness in 40 years of watching City.

Thank God there are three worse teams than us ( not sure how) this season or we would be back in L1 next year possibly playing the sags (imagine the horror in that after 20 years).

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Eddie Notgetinya said:

I’ve been an avid supporter of NP but it is clear now that there has been no improvement in any area what so ever. I’m very concerned for next season.

And precisely what opportunity has he had so far to make the necessary, radical changes to our squad? 

Today was piss poor though, that's for sure.

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8 minutes ago, Eddie Notgetinya said:

I’ve been an avid supporter of NP but it is clear now that there has been no improvement in any area what so ever. I’m very concerned for next season.

Totally not true. Everyone complaining about where goals were going to come form at the start of the season. Even a fair way into the season there were whole threads about how Weimann just runs around and AS will never be a striker/goalscorer - even now people complain about how Martin does nothing. Despite that our attack is now very potent and I would pretty much always back us to score.

We have been really weak defensively particularly from crosses and set plays and last two games show a massive improvement on both. The goal today is scrappy, but they have had no other chance of note other than shots form outside the box - when they hit the post Williams should have closed down better, but apart from that most of the on target shots where speculative efforts. From set plays we are defending has been so much better. 

I would also had that our set plays (corners in particular) look much better and there are positive signs there too. 

I think people ignore/miss these things particularly after games like today where entertainment value was low. Low entertainment doesn't necessarily mean things are not moving forward. We had plenty of chances late on and at least two clear cut chances in the game that should have been goals. It was not a pretty game, but not the **** show that people are and will paint it as. If you honestly are saying NP has improved nothing you are just not looking. 

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5 minutes ago, BCFC Richard said:

Totally not true. Everyone complaining about where goals were going to come form at the start of the season. Even a fair way into the season there were whole threads about how Weimann just runs around and AS will never be a striker/goalscorer - even now people complain about how Martin does nothing. Despite that our attack is now very potent and I would pretty much always back us to score.

We have been really weak defensively particularly from crosses and set plays and last two games show a massive improvement on both. The goal today is scrappy, but they have had no other chance of note other than shots form outside the box - when they hit the post Williams should have closed down better, but apart from that most of the on target shots where speculative efforts. From set plays we are defending has been so much better. 

I would also had that our set plays (corners in particular) look much better and there are positive signs there too. 

I think people ignore/miss these things particularly after games like today where entertainment value was low. Low entertainment doesn't necessarily mean things are not moving forward. We had plenty of chances late on and at least two clear cut chances in the game that should have been goals. It was not a pretty game, but not the **** show that people are and will paint it as. If you honestly are saying NP has improved nothing you are just not looking. 

19 shots today, just the two on target. We should have scored more than we did, but arguably so should they have.

It makes managers pull their hair out, but it’s just meaningless end of season fare for us now. Bloody frustrating and do fear for us next year, but kind of what I expected today to be honest.

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I still maintain the issue isn't Pearson but the situation of the club. Does this mean I think Pearson will turn this around? After today my belief has taken a serious knock and I'm no longer sure, however, I don't see who would want the job if he were sacked tomorrow due to numerous reasons.

Finances - we could see ourselves hit with a point deduction and even if we manage to dodge that bullet you then have the fact that we have nothing to spend and should a manager come in with the desire to create a new team through selling our players to buy new I wonder who we can realistically sell that wouldn't actually leave us in a far worse situation. Personally if someone were to offer good money for Massengo I'd escort him out of the door right now, you can see he has a motor and that he has technique but when it comes to his decision making, he's bloody awful. I know a lot of people like the lad but I think it's mostly down to the fact that he gives his all, that said his decision making has cost us goals both attacking and defending and today he showed yet again how he does so much hard work and then just doesn't know when to release the ball.

Squad - If you look at our squad we have a few players who divide opinion, as mentioned above, but there are also plenty who we can all see just do not work for us. Vyner should be out the door faster than anyone. I've heard so many people say that Pearson is stealing a living, well, he's out there every game trying to make the best out of a terrible situation whilst Palmer is still on the books and Baker is still a part of the squad despite the fact that he spends 75% of his time injured. 
Who in their right mind would want to inherit a squad with no natural right back, a squad that has been built with 3-5-2 in mind, so much so that we can barely pull off another formation, a squad with no real motivator on the pitch and a squad that if you sold their best assets to reinvest would have so much left over baggage that you wouldn't have the wages to bring in better anyway.

I just can't see any manager changing this around whilst maintaining a Championship position. We require a staring right back, a player capable of playing right back should that new signing get injured, we need to offload Vyner, Wells, Baker and Palmer. We also need to somehow accept that we have Martin as our focal point and Weimann behind meaning Semenyo is the most likely partner alongside Martin putting Bell and Conway out of the team and seemingly unable to get a chance.

This club is a mess, the squad is unbalanced, the finances are a mess and yet we seem to think managers are going to want to throw themselves into this mess, Pearson may not be able to sort this mess out but at least he doesn't bullshit the fans about the situation the club is in, I really can't stand the idea of him leaving for a yes man to come in and we go down into League One with a season of the new guy mugging off the fans by making excuse after excuse and saying it's all ok because that, for me, is far worse than Pearson accepting we're in a bad position and trying to get us through it. Does it excuse the piss poor performance today? No, but I don't think Pearson was the issue today, for me it was the way the players seemed to be playing well and the second that red card came out it was like their mentality switched to "job done" when it clearly wasn't. Once they got that goal back you could see the panic is the decision making and lack of focus going forward, they became their own worse enemies by becoming frustrated by what had occurred due to their own mental frailty. 

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1 hour ago, BS3_RED said:

The amount of times I have heard us fans (myself included) arguing who should or not be manager. I would just like to highlight that pretty much all of us want SOD and NP and yet none of us wanted Cotts who gave us the best season I have witness in 40 years of watching City.

Thank God there are three worse teams than us ( not sure how) this season or we would be back in L1 next year possibly playing the sags (imagine the horror in that after 20 years).

 

 

I’d like to point out I was very vocal in supporting Cotts & took absolutely loads of stick for it on here.

If he’d been backed like his successor was & allowed to keep Keith Burt as Head of Recruitment instead of that charlatan Ashton I genuinely think (even despite the 2 Manchester games) we would currently be better off.

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9 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said:

Back to the OP

Most of us wanted Derek McInness over Mark Robbins.

Look at them both now.

Most of us were delighted when Coppell was appointed.

As fans, we do get it wrong, frequently.

I cant remember that far back.......

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8 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

I’d like to point out I was very vocal in supporting Cotts & took absolutely loads of stick for it on here.

If he’d been backed like his successor was & allowed to keep Keith Burt as Head of Recruitment instead of that charlatan Ashton I genuinely think (even despite the 2 Manchester games) we would currently be better off.

Keith Burt was clearly a huge loss.

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50 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

I have to admit I was very anti-Cotts when he was appointed mainly because of his `abrasive` persona.

I`m happy to admit I got it totally wrong though.

Bit underwhelmed  myself but soon became clear he had a plan, a clear way of setting the team up and an eye for an undervalued player to fit into his system.

The team always looked fit, well drilled, organised with immense attention to detail.

Always said "we" in press interviews and not "they".

Not sure of the details of how it all crumbled in the end but we looked brilliant when he was here.

But he has never taken a team into the Premier league.

 

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2 hours ago, BS3_RED said:

The amount of times I have heard us fans (myself included) arguing who should or not be manager. I would just like to highlight that pretty much all of us want SOD and NP and yet none of us wanted Cotts who gave us the best season I have witness in 40 years of watching City.

Thank God there are three worse teams than us ( not sure how) this season or we would be back in L1 next year possibly playing the sags (imagine the horror in that after 20 years).

 

 

Not trying to be pedantic or anything but that's how relegation works every season.

Only the bottom 3 get relegated as they are the worst. 

We have a very good points difference between us and the bottom 3 and have had that gap throughout the season.

We have never really been in danger of going down have we?

Now, how many of us would have taken that back in August?

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3 minutes ago, Waconda said:

But he has never taken a team into the Premier league.

Yepp, as brilliant as we looked in L1, Cotterill's record as a Championship manager isn't especially good.

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

If he’d been backed like his successor was & allowed to keep Keith Burt as Head of Recruitment instead of that charlatan Ashton I genuinely think (even despite the 2 Manchester games) we would currently be better off.

I think this is actually the bigger negative change that occurred - the restructuring of the club that saw our recruitment team damaged, and other key roles taken up by Ashton's mates.

 

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5 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

Yepp, as brilliant as we looked in L1, Cotterill's record as a Championship manager isn't especially good.

I think this is actually the bigger negative change that occurred - the restructuring of the club that saw our recruitment team damaged, and other key roles taken up by Ashton's mates.

 

Yepp, as brilliant as we looked in L1, Cotterill's record as a Championship manager isn't especially good = Fair point

Our current Manager hasn't set the world alight over the last 6 years either.

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6 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

Yepp, as brilliant as we looked in L1, Cotterill's record as a Championship manager isn't especially good.

I think this is actually the bigger negative change that occurred - the restructuring of the club that saw our recruitment team damaged, and other key roles taken up by Ashton's mates.

 

You’re right on the first point, it is pretty poor & Birmingham fans hate him.

I just think we had momentum under him & the summer when we basically had only signed Kodjia (what a signing that was) with about a week to go until the season started, killed it.

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2 hours ago, BCFC Richard said:

Totally not true. Everyone complaining about where goals were going to come form at the start of the season. Even a fair way into the season there were whole threads about how Weimann just runs around and AS will never be a striker/goalscorer - even now people complain about how Martin does nothing. Despite that our attack is now very potent and I would pretty much always back us to score.

We have been really weak defensively particularly from crosses and set plays and last two games show a massive improvement on both. The goal today is scrappy, but they have had no other chance of note other than shots form outside the box - when they hit the post Williams should have closed down better, but apart from that most of the on target shots where speculative efforts. From set plays we are defending has been so much better. 

I would also had that our set plays (corners in particular) look much better and there are positive signs there too. 

I think people ignore/miss these things particularly after games like today where entertainment value was low. Low entertainment doesn't necessarily mean things are not moving forward. We had plenty of chances late on and at least two clear cut chances in the game that should have been goals. It was not a pretty game, but not the **** show that people are and will paint it as. If you honestly are saying NP has improved nothing you are just not looking. 

It’s very very hard to say that Nigel Pearson has improved anything after that shambles of a performance this afternoon.

I admire your positivity but there was sadly little or no evidence of any of the improvements you identify this afternoon.

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The squad isn’t great but it certainly isn’t a terrible squad.

You have a man on 20 goals, 9/10 players who arguably could get in most championship squads. 
 

The man spends every single day on the training ground and we move the ball at half the pace every other side in the league does. 
 

He is a lot of the issue 

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14 hours ago, Galley is our king said:

Not trying to be pedantic or anything but that's how relegation works every season.

Only the bottom 3 get relegated as they are the worst. 

We have a very good points difference between us and the bottom 3 and have had that gap throughout the season.

We have never really been in danger of going down have we?

Now, how many of us would have taken that back in August?

I should have highlighted points deduction., without which we would deep in the dogs poo

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7 minutes ago, BS3_RED said:

I should have highlighted points deduction., without which we would deep in the dogs poo

Yes but they were deducted for a reason, over spending.

Their squads would be poorer had they not overspent and they may well have been in a worse position than they are now.

Purely conjecture I know.

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