downendcity Posted April 19, 2022 Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 13 hours ago, Major Isewater said: It was over LJ’s head. Most things went over LJ's head! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Alligator Posted April 19, 2022 Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 If true, as others have suggested previously, could be a sign that SL is preparing to sell up?....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 23 hours ago, Pezo said: Hopefully asks a lot of questions about what Gould is doing and hopefully is trying to figure out if what Gould is doing is in the best long term interests of the club, you know like he did with Ashton. Why would you not think Gould was doing a good job? His reputation in cricket is absolutely golden. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 21 hours ago, GrahamC said: Certainly far more blue than red but like all of East Bristol there have always been City fans dotted about. Not sure too many areas were ever 100% sag. Me, for one (St George) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 16 hours ago, CotswoldRed said: If you like your football to be about money and little else, Scudamore is your man. Heaven forbid we appoint people with high level experience of turning a profit in football. How utterly ghastly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 45 minutes ago, SecretSam said: Me, for one (St George) Ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 I would have thought that with Richards contact re the Premier in England and world wide would be a useful person if you were looking at selling the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 14 hours ago, Robbored said: Scudamore would be asset to City simply for his knowledge and contacts within the game, plus he’s a City fan. I imagine that with his profile in the game that’s he’s had a plethora of various offers many of them global and when Smarmy Ashton left I thought Scudamore would have made an ideal CEO but obviously never happened. So replace a tinpot smarmy money orientated bluffer with a premier league proven smarmy money orientated bluffer? What does he actually know? How to get inflated prices for tv deals. How to suck money out of an organisation dripping with it.. Contacts from a few years ago when we're looking to buy Championship free agents and league 1/2 youngsters won't really help in anyway. 1 hour ago, Roadrunner said: I would have thought that with Richards contact re the Premier in England and world wide would be a useful person if you were looking at selling the club. Exactly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 3 hours ago, SecretSam said: Why would you not think Gould was doing a good job? His reputation in cricket is absolutely golden. I don't know, I'm not close enough to it and that's the problem, but that's why a non exec board exists - to hold the executive to account. We don't know that the reason his reputation in cricket was good because he had a good team around him. The problem with C level executives is you don't realise the positives or negatives for about 5 years and they usually move on every 4 years! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 18 minutes ago, The Bard said: What does he actually know? How to get inflated prices for tv deals. What does he actually know? Turned the PL into the most attractive and powerful league in the world - that not enough ? Scudamore is a life long City fan is he not? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 27 minutes ago, The Bard said: So replace a tinpot smarmy money orientated bluffer with a premier league proven smarmy money orientated bluffer? What does he actually know? How to get inflated prices for tv deals. How to suck money out of an organisation dripping with it.. Contacts from a few years ago when we're looking to buy Championship free agents and league 1/2 youngsters won't really help in anyway. What leads you suggest that Scudamore is a a bluffer or a fraud as Ashton was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 The fact that we haven't already secured a major investor suggests to me that the terms of the proposed deal are unattractive. Otherwise, this club should be an easy sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 27 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: What does he actually know? Turned the PL into the most attractive and powerful league in the world - that not enough ? Scudamore is a life long City fan is he not? So are a load of people stood near me who can barely complete a sentence. The skills you list, what use are they to us? We're an underachieving championship club. He has a high level background in sales basically. Never worked for an actual club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 minute ago, The Bard said: The skills you list, what use are they to us? We're an underachieving championship club. He has a high level background in sales basically. Never worked for an actual club. He has proven business acumen. Dismissing him in the manner you are doing is ridiculous. Anyway, for me he is just in the stands watching his team as a fan. If he has been offered some kind of role then that's good for us 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 24 minutes ago, Robbored said: What leads you suggest that Scudamore is a a bluffer or a fraud as Ashton was? If he us presenting himself as being able to run a club I'd be doubtful. That's a nuts and bo lj ts role which is not his background. He didn't turn the premier league into this global brand. He negotiated deals. If he's advising Lansdown on how to sell the club it would make perfect sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, The Bard said: If he us presenting himself as being able to run a club I'd be doubtful. That's a nuts and bo lj ts role which is not his background. He didn't turn the premier league into this global brand. He negotiated deals. If he's advising Lansdown on how to sell the club it would make perfect sense. No reason to suggest he’s a bluffer tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 24 minutes ago, The Bard said: He didn't turn the premier league into this global brand. He negotiated deals. Ill have a bit of what you are smoking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 2 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said: What does he actually know? Turned the PL into the most attractive and powerful league in the world - that not enough ? Scudamore is a life long City fan is he not? That doesn’t mean he has the skills to run a football club. He’s just a slightly higher spec version of Mark Ashton - a salesman who works in football. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 28 minutes ago, Harry said: That doesn’t mean he has the skills to run a football club. He’s just a slightly higher spec version of Mark Ashton - a salesman who works in football. People are talking about him joining as a non-exec. Not "running the club". What he knows about football is more than the Lansdowns, which is why it would be good to have such a voice on the board. Let's remember Richard Gould was a tank commander before he worked here in a commercial role for 4 years and then worked in cricket for 16 years, where the everyday challenges are quite different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 2 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said: Ill have a bit of what you are smoking Selling a product to a growing market does not make you responsible for its success. It means you did a good job getting a good price. Nothing more, nothing less. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 40 minutes ago, Harry said: That doesn’t mean he has the skills to run a football club. He’s just a slightly higher spec version of Mark Ashton - a salesman who works in football. I never said he should run our club. I said his proven business acumen, combined with the fact he is a city fan, would be an asset to us if he was offered a role in the club. As for the comment about being a slightly higher spec version of MA - Ashton isn't even on the same chapter, let alone page as Scudamore. Being CEO of the biggest football league in the world for > 10 yrs trumps being CEO of the tractor boys by quite a distance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 25 minutes ago, Harry said: That doesn’t mean he has the skills to run a football club. He’s just a slightly higher spec version of Mark Ashton - a salesman who works in football. Basically what I said earlier but far more succinct... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said: People are talking about him joining as a non-exec. Not "running the club". What he knows about football is more than the Lansdowns, which is why it would be good to have such a voice on the board. Let's remember Richard Gould was a tank commander before he worked here in a commercial role for 4 years and then worked in cricket for 16 years, where the everyday challenges are quite different. 1 hour ago, TonyTonyTony said: I never said he should run our club. I said his proven business acumen, combined with the fact he is a city fan, would be an asset to us if he was offered a role in the club. As for the comment about being a slightly higher spec version of MA - Ashton isn't even on the same chapter, let alone page as Scudamore. Being CEO of the biggest football league in the world for > 10 yrs trumps being CEO of the tractor boys by quite a distance The quotes I responded to were ones which started from Robbored’s comment saying he would make a good CEO. So I was responding to him fulfilling that role. Which he’s no more experienced at or has the skills for than Ashton did. Clearly a successful salesman but nothing on his CV to suggest he could be a successful day to day CEO of a football club. Commercial Director? Yep, go right ahead. But I’d think that would be a bit below him. Edited April 20, 2022 by Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Harry said: The quotes I responded to were ones which started from Robbored’s comment saying he would make a good CEO. So I was responding to him fulfilling that role. Which he’s no more experienced at or has the skills for than Ashton did. Clearly a successful salesman but nothing on his CV to suggest he could be a successful day to day CEO of a football club. Commercial Director? Yep, go right ahead. But I’d think that would be a bit below him. I suggest a non-executive director, not a club employee. A part-time basically advisory role that might hopefully temper farragoes like the Holden appointment. Others have suggested having an ex-player in that role but I think - with a few very notable exceptions - ex-players have made poor directors at lots of clubs. I think you need commercial nous, contacts and a knowledge of the game's realities. Being a genuine fan helps too. I don't see any reason why we would need to replace Richard Gould at all, but if we did there is no reason why Scudamore couldn't do it - there is no set career ladder for a football club's CEO - but why would he want to do it? He's in his early 60s, made so much money he doesn't need a f/t job, particularly one that is such a ball-ache as running City must be. Edited April 20, 2022 by Red-Robbo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim S Posted April 21, 2022 Report Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) A CEO of a football club should largely be someone who is seen but not heard.... Richard Gould is very much someone like that. Just gets on with the job and runs the club as he should whether things are going well or not on the pitch. For the most part, the CEO should go about their business in the background and just get on with working to improve the club, working with the manager and the board to try and ensure everything comes together. I guess a bit like a conductor of an orchestra. You also have to remember that a football club is a completely different business to most - so any role within the structure of the business is probably slightly different to the norm. Mark Ashton on the other hand was someone who loved the attention and the limelight and was happy to take the plaudits, whether he deserved them or not, when things were going well. But when things got tough, was nowhere to be seen. And this behaviour has been repeated at Ipswich. High fiving fans a few months ago as if they had won the league.... but now there is a bit of unrest, he has crawled back under his rock. Mark Ashton, for all his faults (of which there are many!) has one thing going for him... he is a master blagger. He is one of those people who bullshits their way through life, leaving a trail of destruction in his wake but still somehow comes out smelling of roses and lands on his feet no matter what. For that, I have to applaud him - because it takes some special kind of arrogance and belief to do what he does and somehow seem like he is doing a good job to those who employ him. He was on £500k a year at City. Someone signed off on that wage.... just think about that. Edited April 21, 2022 by Tim S 9 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpexile Posted April 21, 2022 Report Share Posted April 21, 2022 On 19/04/2022 at 16:55, Major Isewater said: He’s chairman. Which means he puts the chairs out when there is a meeting for the board. A big responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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