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41 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

To be fair well done, bravo and all that but they haven't 'done something no men's team could do since 66', for men aren't permitted to play in woman's tournaments (at least not yet.)

Admittedly I only watched about 30 mins of the whole tournament, but that was sufficient. By all means celebrate a great achievement for woman's football but in all seriousness answer this: Against which City representative side do you think the Lionesses would remain competitive? I reckon they might give the boys U16s a game but by U19s they'd struggle. U23s they'd be played off the park. And that's City.

From the few bits I did see the Spaniards were technically light years superior to anybody else and attempted to play something resembling adult men's football. England may well be champions of Europe and good on them. But if comparing to men's football, lack of ball control, ball retention and kick and rush, there is no comparison. I trust their success has women and girls rushing to pull on their boots to get involved, for that can only be a good thing  Just spare any conflation with the men's game as the two have little in common. 

 

There isnt any. The game is divided by sex. 

You in your second paragraph are attempting to conflate the two., 

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Why the need for comparisons? A senior English team has just been crowned champions of Europe for the first time in my lifetime, I'll celebrate that.

When a woman wins gold in the 100m Olympic Sprint final, you don't hear people say "but she isn't as quick as the men". I celebrate all sporting success this nation achieves, it's far too often fleeting!

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47 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

To be fair well done, bravo and all that but they haven't 'done something no men's team could do since 66', for men aren't permitted to play in woman's tournaments (at least not yet.)

Admittedly I only watched about 30 mins of the whole tournament, but that was sufficient. By all means celebrate a great achievement for woman's football but in all seriousness answer this: Against which City representative side do you think the Lionesses would remain competitive? I reckon they might give the boys U16s a game but by U19s they'd struggle. U23s they'd be played off the park. And that's City.

 

 

Is that relevant?  

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What an amazing day, one of the best atmospheres I have ever experienced at Wembley. 

Met plenty of German supporters but hey we're the champions of Europe, ignoring the usual uneducated bullshit posted above 

Was also nice to bump into @shahanshahanon empire way

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3 hours ago, Fjmcity said:

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.........................................is what she told William when picking up her winners medal! :shocking:

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27 minutes ago, Ian M said:

Why the need for comparisons? A senior English team has just been crowned champions of Europe for the first time in my lifetime, I'll celebrate that.

When a woman wins gold in the 100m Olympic Sprint final, you don't hear people say "but she isn't as quick as the men". I celebrate all sporting success this nation achieves, it's far too often fleeting!

I wonder if these people obsessed with comparisons would be here on the day we won the play off final pointing out that the standard is nowhere near as good as the Champions League?!

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1 hour ago, BTRFTG said:

To be fair well done, bravo and all that but they haven't 'done something no men's team could do since 66', for men aren't permitted to play in woman's tournaments (at least not yet.)

Admittedly I only watched about 30 mins of the whole tournament, but that was sufficient. By all means celebrate a great achievement for woman's football but in all seriousness answer this: Against which City representative side do you think the Lionesses would remain competitive? I reckon they might give the boys U16s a game but by U19s they'd struggle. U23s they'd be played off the park. And that's City.

From the few bits I did see the Spaniards were technically light years superior to anybody else and attempted to play something resembling adult men's football. England may well be champions of Europe and good on them. But if comparing to men's football, lack of ball control, ball retention and kick and rush, there is no comparison. I trust their success has women and girls rushing to pull on their boots to get involved, for that can only be a good thing  Just spare any conflation with the men's game as the two have little in common. 

 

Sounds like a direct comparison with City teams over the last few seasons. :whistle:

I think one of the problems the womens game has had until the fairly recent past, is that it has been all to easy to compare it with the mens game and then, using this comparison, pick out and criticise all the areas in which it falls short - physicality, pace, power etc.

Now the womens game at this level is  professional and, certainly at the level we've seen during the Euros,  capable of producing exciting and entertaining matches, perhaps it will be judged on it's own merits, rather than by comparison with the mens game. The Sweden semi final was enthralling ( obviously helped by England winning, and winning well) and certainly as/more entertaining than many an England men's team performance over recent years.

 

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15 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

I wonder if these people obsessed with comparisons would be here on the day we won the play off final pointing out that the standard is nowhere near as good as the Champions League?!

Can't imagine many being on here the day we win a play off final - they'd all be suffering from shock!

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40 minutes ago, phantom said:

What an amazing day, one of the best atmospheres I have ever experienced at Wembley. 

Met plenty of German supporters but hey we're the champions of Europe, ignoring the usual uneducated bullshit posted above 

Was also nice to bump into @shahanshahanon empire way

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4 hours ago, BTRFTG said:

To be fair well done, bravo and all that but they haven't 'done something no men's team could do since 66', for men aren't permitted to play in woman's tournaments (at least not yet.)

Admittedly I only watched about 30 mins of the whole tournament, but that was sufficient. By all means celebrate a great achievement for woman's football but in all seriousness answer this: Against which City representative side do you think the Lionesses would remain competitive? I reckon they might give the boys U16s a game but by U19s they'd struggle. U23s they'd be played off the park. And that's City.

From the few bits I did see the Spaniards were technically light years superior to anybody else and attempted to play something resembling adult men's football. England may well be champions of Europe and good on them. But if comparing to men's football, lack of ball control, ball retention and kick and rush, there is no comparison. I trust their success has women and girls rushing to pull on their boots to get involved, for that can only be a good thing  Just spare any conflation with the men's game as the two have little in common. 

 

You watched 30 minutes of the whole tournament, deduced Spain were the only team close to the mens game, and then posted on here to tell us about it like some kind of footballing oracle.  Embarrassing.

It doesn’t matter whether they are better or worse than any standard of the mens game because it’s not the mens game, not that you would know as by your own admission you only watched 30 minutes of it.  Very poor post.

 

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7 hours ago, BTRFTG said:

To be fair well done, bravo and all that but they haven't 'done something no men's team could do since 66', for men aren't permitted to play in woman's tournaments (at least not yet.)

Admittedly I only watched about 30 mins of the whole tournament, but that was sufficient. By all means celebrate a great achievement for woman's football but in all seriousness answer this: Against which City representative side do you think the Lionesses would remain competitive? I reckon they might give the boys U16s a game but by U19s they'd struggle. U23s they'd be played off the park. And that's City.

From the few bits I did see the Spaniards were technically light years superior to anybody else and attempted to play something resembling adult men's football. England may well be champions of Europe and good on them. But if comparing to men's football, lack of ball control, ball retention and kick and rush, there is no comparison. I trust their success has women and girls rushing to pull on their boots to get involved, for that can only be a good thing  Just spare any conflation with the men's game as the two have little in common. 

It's strange isn't it, I watch women runners, jumpers, throwers etc in Athletics and marvel at their ability. Laura Kenny on a bike or Rebecca Addligton in the pool, amazing. Not once have I thought "yeah, but they would be light years behind Usain Bolt, Mo Farah, Greg Rutherford, Duplantis etc. Probably because it's ******* weird.

 

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8 hours ago, BTRFTG said:

To be fair well done, bravo and all that but they haven't 'done something no men's team could do since 66', for men aren't permitted to play in woman's tournaments (at least not yet.)

Admittedly I only watched about 30 mins of the whole tournament, but that was sufficient. By all means celebrate a great achievement for woman's football but in all seriousness answer this: Against which City representative side do you think the Lionesses would remain competitive? I reckon they might give the boys U16s a game but by U19s they'd struggle. U23s they'd be played off the park. And that's City.

From the few bits I did see the Spaniards were technically light years superior to anybody else and attempted to play something resembling adult men's football. England may well be champions of Europe and good on them. But if comparing to men's football, lack of ball control, ball retention and kick and rush, there is no comparison. I trust their success has women and girls rushing to pull on their boots to get involved, for that can only be a good thing  Just spare any conflation with the men's game as the two have little in common. 

 

What a dumb post. Try watching more than 30 mins next time.

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Enjoyed the entire tournament, as much as mens, if not more so.

Thought the Lionesses were good value overall showing a range of qualities to achieve their victories. The Final was, perhaps, not as high quality as I had been expecting. The Germans were technically and tactically stronger on the day. However, the will-to-win, togetherness, bravery and sheer belligerence of the England team won the day. Bravo. 
 

Now if the men could instil some of those type-qualities in themselves, if Southgate would encourage them to play more positive, expansive, forward-thinking football we may have a chance in November. If we end up with the usual negative crab-like football, no chance. 

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4 minutes ago, RedRock said:

Enjoyed the entire tournament, as much as mens, if not more so.

Thought the Lionesses were good value overall showing a range of qualities to achieve their victories. The Final was, perhaps, not as high quality as I had been expecting. The Germans were technically and tactically stronger on the day. However, the will-to-win, togetherness, bravery and sheer belligerence of the England team won the day. Bravo. 
 

Now if the men could instil some of those type-qualities in themselves, if Southgate would encourage them to play more positive, expansive, forward-thinking football we may have a chance in November. If we end up with the usual negative crab-like football, no chance. 

If only! 
 

Sarina Wiegman is a very impressive manager and I’d love to see her in charge of the Englands mens team but no other woman has managed a professional mens team at any level as far I know so the chances of the FA doing something revolutionary are definitely zero!

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6 minutes ago, Robbored said:

If only! 
 

Sarina Wiegman is a very impressive manager and I’d love to see her in charge of the Englands mens team but no other woman has managed a professional mens team at any level as far I know so the chances of the FA doing something revolutionary are definitely zero!

There have been many.  

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16 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I can’t think of any woman managing a professional mens team at any time.

If you have been watching the current tournament, you will no doubt have noticed the rather four looking French Coach, Corinne Diacre.

She was Head Coach of Clermont for several years.

There have been many others, mainly in Europe of course, but there was also a female coach in Scotland whose name I forget - I know you pay no attention to Scottish football, probably European neither, but you are wrong to say there have never been any female coaches of professional men’s teams.

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14 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

If you have been watching the current tournament, you will no doubt have noticed the rather four looking French Coach, Corinne Diacre.

She was Head Coach of Clermont for several years.

There have been many others, mainly in Europe of course, but there was also a female coach in Scotland whose name I forget - I know you pay no attention to Scottish football, probably European neither, but you are wrong to say there have never been any female coaches of professional men’s teams.

I’m talking female managers of professional mens clubs - not women working as coaches and before anyone points out that managers are also coaches they aren’t the one making the decisions.

Can anyone name a female manager of a professional mens team?…………..:dunno:

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9 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

I really don’t think tonight is the night for this. Can we not just enjoy a wonderful occasion and a fantastic achievement without this constant need to compare it with the men’s game?

Today is a day to celebrate victory for a team that represents our country. End of.

Totally agree . I really don’t get his point . When Laura Trott( Kenny) , Kelly Holmes , Nicola Adams etc etc won all their gold medals , did we question. Their value because they didn’t compete against Chris Hoy , Seb Coe or Flloyd Mayweather ?  Just share the joy and embrace it eh ! 

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9 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

I really don’t think tonight is the night for this. Can we not just enjoy a wonderful occasion and a fantastic achievement without this constant need to compare it with the men’s game?

Today is a day to celebrate victory for a team that represents our country. End of.

 

Well said. 

To reiterate, not everything needs to be (or can be) compared to men.  Men hold all the furthest, longest, fastest world records, but that's a result of the natural advantages we were born with. Women have still given birth to all of us, and that is never gonna change.

No one can doubt our Lioness's were giving their all out there and from the 75 minutes of the game I saw - which sadly due to work was almost the only time I watched a full half in this tournament - they play a lovely, skillful, high-tempo passing game, which was pleasing to the eye. 

I felt quite emotional when we got the win as did my daughters, one of whom "doesn't like football".

It's a good thing for England, a good thing for football, a good thing for women's football, a good thing for women in sport, and for women in general.

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13 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I’m talking female managers of professional mens clubs - not women working as coaches and before anyone points out that managers are also coaches they aren’t the one making the decisions.

Can anyone name a female manager of a professional mens team?…………..:dunno:

Cherie Lunghi in the manageress

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9 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I’m talking female managers of professional mens clubs - not women working as coaches and before anyone points out that managers are also coaches they aren’t the one making the decisions.

Can anyone name a female manager of a professional mens team?…………..:dunno:

Maybe one day Thomas Tuchel and Antonio Conte can start making decisions. 

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9 hours ago, BTRFTG said:

To be fair well done, bravo and all that but they haven't 'done something no men's team could do since 66', for men aren't permitted to play in woman's tournaments (at least not yet.)

Admittedly I only watched about 30 mins of the whole tournament, but that was sufficient. By all means celebrate a great achievement for woman's football but in all seriousness answer this: Against which City representative side do you think the Lionesses would remain competitive? I reckon they might give the boys U16s a game but by U19s they'd struggle. U23s they'd be played off the park. And that's City.

From the few bits I did see the Spaniards were technically light years superior to anybody else and attempted to play something resembling adult men's football. England may well be champions of Europe and good on them. But if comparing to men's football, lack of ball control, ball retention and kick and rush, there is no comparison. I trust their success has women and girls rushing to pull on their boots to get involved, for that can only be a good thing  Just spare any conflation with the men's game as the two have little in common. 

 

You’re right , the whole culture of the women’s game is different. However we need to wake up and learn from the women’s game rather than minimalise their achievements! A whole tournament without half the fans trying to kill each other . Very little of the blatant cheating and diving we see in the mens game . A game not yet wrecked by the greed of players , agents and TV companies plus openly gay and straight players in every team and it just doesn’t matter . I think our game needs to learn things from the womens game personally because all that’s good in their version of the game is what’s wrong with ours ! 

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5 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

You watched 30 minutes of the whole tournament, deduced Spain were the only team close to the mens game, and then posted on here to tell us about it like some kind of footballing oracle.  Embarrassing.

It doesn’t matter whether they are better or worse than any standard of the mens game because it’s not the mens game, not that you would know as by your own admission you only watched 30 minutes of it.  Very poor post.

 

My 'very poor' post simply highlighted the blind adulation, bandwagon jumping  that pervades today, in this case the phrase 'done something no men's team could do since 66'. As I highlighted there is NO comparison, though clearly reading whilst wearing rose-tinted glasses is difficult for some.  For one the 'professional' men's game is required to publish accounts that meet certain criteria. The 'professional' women's game is that in name only. Wholly bankrupt, minimal revenue (why might that be,) and dependant upon funding provided by, er, the men's game.

I posed the rhetorical question if there was a comparison just how comparable are the two, then proffered my own answer? Few were brave enough to suggest an answer knowing they'd be shot down if so doing. That's the nature of debate these days.

I congratulated the woman several times for their achievements and for the impact they'll have on the development of woman's football.

But we'll leave it to the bandwagon jumpers who, if true to their word, will ensure a massive expansion in attendance at woman's football this season. They sure as hell need the money.

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3 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

My 'very poor' post simply highlighted the blind adulation, bandwagon jumping  that pervades today, in this case the phrase 'done something no men's team could do since 66'. As I highlighted there is NO comparison, though clearly reading whilst wearing rose-tinted glasses is difficult for some.  For one the 'professional' men's game is required to publish accounts that meet certain criteria. The 'professional' women's game is that in name only. Wholly bankrupt, minimal revenue (why might that be,) and dependant upon funding provided by, er, the men's game.

I posed the rhetorical question if there was a comparison just how comparable are the two, then proffered my own answer? Few were brave enough to suggest an answer knowing they'd be shot down if so doing. That's the nature of debate these days.

I congratulated the woman several times for their achievements and for the impact they'll have on the development of woman's football.

But we'll leave it to the bandwagon jumpers who, if true to their word, will ensure a massive expansion in attendance at woman's football this season. They sure as hell need the money.

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3 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

My 'very poor' post simply highlighted the blind adulation, bandwagon jumping  that pervades today, in this case the phrase 'done something no men's team could do since 66'. As I highlighted there is NO comparison, though clearly reading whilst wearing rose-tinted glasses is difficult for some.  For one the 'professional' men's game is required to publish accounts that meet certain criteria. The 'professional' women's game is that in name only. Wholly bankrupt, minimal revenue (why might that be,) and dependant upon funding provided by, er, the men's game.

I posed the rhetorical question if there was a comparison just how comparable are the two, then proffered my own answer? Few were brave enough to suggest an answer knowing they'd be shot down if so doing. That's the nature of debate these days.

I congratulated the woman several times for their achievements and for the impact they'll have on the development of woman's football.

But we'll leave it to the bandwagon jumpers who, if true to their word, will ensure a massive expansion in attendance at woman's football this season. They sure as hell need the money.

This is incorrect. The sponsorship the womens game recieves is greater than the money that is received from the EPL that would never cover the costs of the WSL and its teams.  

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What an amazing achievement. I've covered women's football off and on for a number of years and the physical, technical and tactical improvement has been quite staggering. The top league going fully professional has made a huge difference.

I love that this team also seem so relatable - a mix of younger players interspersed with older players who, once upon a time, even had to hold down part-time jobs just to sustain their football career.

Personally, I do find this desire to benchmark everything against the men's game - including the media's insistence to trot out the "first since 66" line - only serves to create an even bigger divide and greater resistance.

Just a personal view, but I think the women's team winning their first major trophy is FAR more significant than it being a first major trophy for either gender since 1966. It's a feat worthy of standing on its own as a sign of progress and a moment to inspire a new generation of football fans.

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