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Just now, Sheltons Army said:

We need a goal and Southgate having  laboured on with 3 centre halves ,  then leaves Tammy on bench and brings on Kalvin Phillips !

Genius 

I mean Phillips should have been on the pitch anyway, moves the ball better than most of our centre mids 

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1 minute ago, harrys said:

He really is a tactically inept

Not sure he’s inept but certainly way too cautious. Tonight should have been a team of his freshest and second string players and leave the rest for Munich. Instead it was a mish mash team, neither one or the other and we played like it.

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1 hour ago, Wiltshire robin said:

I’d never boo the knee and I’m not making excuses for what the kids were doing but England players taking the knee for equality then going to play in a World Cup where around 10,000 slaves died making the stadiums takes the piss.

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1 minute ago, 1960maaan said:

Match Report.

Same boring shit, but this time we lost.

Someone else will be more in depth no doubt, but this is the gist of it.

In other News, Test match Cricket is Brilliant.

It should be at £150 per ticket…….and it’s only brilliant because only three or four players out of 22 can bat.

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9 minutes ago, Isawjonshaw said:

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Which week is that ?  January 1st - 7th 1986?    Sorry but it is not England players that should be criticised, but the FIFA officials and management, who all collected brown envelopes stuffed with notes, to then approve QATAR as the stupidest World Cup venue in football history?  Many of the England squad are unhappy and concerned about the World Cup venue, and it is naive in the extreme to blame the players....... IMHO.

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4 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Which week is that ?  January 1st - 7th 1986?    Sorry but it is not England players that should be criticised, but the FIFA officials and management, who all collected brown envelopes stuffed with notes, to then approve QATAR as the stupidest World Cup venue in football history?  Many of the England squad are unhappy and concerned about the World Cup venue, and it is naive in the extreme to blame the players....... IMHO.

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Just now, Ska Junkie said:

Let's be honest, it was terrible.

I don't think many England players wanted to be there at all.

2nd favourites for the World cup? Yeah right!

Your middle sentence nails it. The point being the Manager could have showed some balls and picked a team of players that wouldn’t have seen this game as their 70th most important in the last 12 months and been happy to play.

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11 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Your middle sentence nails it. The point being the Manager could have showed some balls and picked a team of players that wouldn’t have seen this game as their 70th most important in the last 12 months and been happy to play.

Spot on. we know what most of them are capable of so why not, in hindsight, which is easy after the event, play those pushing for a place in the WC squad?

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12 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Your middle sentence nails it. The point being the Manager could have showed some balls and picked a team of players that wouldn’t have seen this game as their 70th most important in the last 12 months and been happy to play.

Your confusing Southgate with someone with balls!

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32 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Which week is that ?  January 1st - 7th 1986?    Sorry but it is not England players that should be criticised, but the FIFA officials and management, who all collected brown envelopes stuffed with notes, to then approve QATAR as the stupidest World Cup venue in football history?  Many of the England squad are unhappy and concerned about the World Cup venue, and it is naive in the extreme to blame the players....... IMHO.

Your completely right about the officials and management but of course the England players can be criticised. They say that every game they will keep taking the knee to stand up for equality and get people talking about it but then come December they will be taking part in a tournament that was built using real modern day slavery in which has killed a five figure number of people . 
 

It’s like with David beckham being a ambassador for lots of charities then signing a £150 million deal to be the face of Qatar. The hypocrisy is unreal .

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38 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

It should be at £150 per ticket…….and it’s only brilliant because only three or four players out of 22 can bat.

I won't defend the ticket prices, but it has nothing to do with entertainment. 

So you say "it’s only brilliant because only three or four players out of 22 can bat." so you think it's brilliant but still want to criticise ?

The bowling in those conditions was excellent, batting must have been a nightmare. 100% entertainment, which is all you can ask for. Or would you prefer 700-1 Dec ?

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40 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

Spot on. we know what most of them are capable of so why not, in hindsight, which is easy after the event, play those pushing for a place in the WC squad?

It's human nature to be fair. Take Pickford as one example. Played in the Euro's every game, plus most internationals since and a whole season for Everton where for the last six weeks every single game he has been involved in (bar the last one) has been absolutely massive and carrying huge pressure not to make mistakes that have dire consequences. That requires top level concentration and nobody can tell me, regardless of your bank balance, that doesn't take it out of you mentally. It only has to affect you by 5% and if you replicate that over 7 or 8 players in a team then that team has a lot of sharpness missing, just like England did earlier. Whilst Pickford was obviously not to blame tonight what possible disadvantage would there have been in playing Ramsdale who would clearly want and need the game time? I'm not sure what Southgate was thinking with that team selection...........and tbf it wasn't hindsight either.

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40 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

I won't defend the ticket prices, but it has nothing to do with entertainment. 

So you say "it’s only brilliant because only three or four players out of 22 can bat." so you think it's brilliant but still want to criticise ?

The bowling in those conditions was excellent, batting must have been a nightmare. 100% entertainment, which is all you can ask for. Or would you prefer 700-1 Dec ?

This is a football forum and can't be that arsed to argue about cricket but entertainment, quality of the fare/players on show and ticket prices are directly linked, particularly when the prices are nothing other than stupid. Cricket is going the right way, certainly in the Test format anyway, in making itself a truly elitist spectator sport at those prices. The players certainly aren't that interested in Test cricket it seems, many games barely last three and a bit days nowadays.

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Listening on TALKSPORT  Gabby Abongalor bemoaning England losing against Hungary and saying Hungary are a poor team. If Hungary are poor , what does that make England ? We are not the only so called 'Big Club' to lose this week. They beat us and I just wish sometimes we would accept that on the day they played better than us, and say to the opposition when they beat us 'Well Done'. Now onto Tuesday

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1 hour ago, Numero Uno said:

It's human nature to be fair. Take Pickford as one example. Played in the Euro's every game, plus most internationals since and a whole season for Everton where for the last six weeks every single game he has been involved in (bar the last one) has been absolutely massive and carrying huge pressure not to make mistakes that have dire consequences. That requires top level concentration and nobody can tell me, regardless of your bank balance, that doesn't take it out of you mentally. It only has to affect you by 5% and if you replicate that over 7 or 8 players in a team then that team has a lot of sharpness missing, just like England did earlier. Whilst Pickford was obviously not to blame tonight what possible disadvantage would there have been in playing Ramsdale who would clearly want and need the game time? I'm not sure what Southgate was thinking with that team selection...........and tbf it wasn't hindsight either.

The goalkeeper is always a difficult position , yes Pickford played well but we know he plays well for England (he's also been better at club level lately) . This game was the ideal one to have rested him and played Ramsdale . It will be Interesting what Gareth Southgate does on  Tuesday , I suspect as we lost, Pickford will be retained so an opportunity lost.

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5 hours ago, Northern Red said:

Usual miserable clowns overreacting to one bad game.

Clowns? Hilarious.

It was a shocking result and performance. No other way to spin it.

The lineup was terrible. It was set up to draw. Against Hungary.

The performance was dreadful. and was well deserved given the way we setup and the lineup we had.

Its worrying. To say the least.

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3 hours ago, Atticus said:

Clowns? Hilarious.

It was a shocking result and performance. No other way to spin it.

The lineup was terrible. It was set up to draw. Against Hungary.

The performance was dreadful. and was well deserved given the way we setup and the lineup we had.

Its worrying. To say the least.

You worry far too much. I couldn’t give a fuck personally as last night has no bearing on the World Cup whatsoever. How some can overlook the fact that many of those lads have played nigh on SEVENTY games in the last 12 months, lots of them as high pressure as you can get, and should have been resting up nowhere near that stadium last night is staggering. Southgate badly messed up team selection last night that’s all there is to it.

Northern Red was 100% right, a very tiny minority of miserable clowns totally over reacting to one poor performance and result.

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15 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

Match Report.

Same boring shit, but this time we lost.

Someone else will be more in depth no doubt, but this is the gist of it.

In other News, Test match Cricket is Brilliant.

That was in no way the same as what we’ve seen at the Euros and World Cup

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15 hours ago, Ska Junkie said:

Let's be honest, it was terrible.

I don't think many England players wanted to be there at all.

2nd favourites for the World cup? Yeah right!

Means absolutely nothing. Belgium got smashed at home, France lost to Denmark. These results happen, especially at the end of a long season.

Were second favourites because we’re now a team that knows how to get through a tournament. I don’t think we’ll win it but it would be silly for bookies not to price us competitively

 

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