LondonBristolian Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 The reality is Southgate has the best record of any England manager 1966 and, whilst it is easy to talk about easy tournament paths, we’ve messed up easier paths than Southgate navigated. However all managers have a sell by date. Robson left at the right moment whereas Sven would have been remembered far more positively had he gone in 2004 rather than stayed to 2006. I am starting to think Southgate’s moment has peaked and he will move on after 2022 but he deserves a lot of credit for what he has done so far. In terms of @Davefevs’ comment about the players not being as good as we hoped, I think the jury is out for me but certainly we have a lot less attacking players in form than we did a year ago. Greenwood is obviously out, Grealish, Rashford and Sancho are struggling for form and the fact Southgate has brought Sterling on to play alongside Kane shows the amount we are relying on two forwards at the moment. Even if Southgate went, we’d be left with a manager trying to get a tune out of a lot of out of form players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Gallagher won’t be going to the World Cup I don’t think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 38 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said: Championship was his level really. I'm not sure what the fuss is about Bellingham either. He may be an impressive athlete for his age but what does he contribute? A bit like Sancho, only ever done anything in the German league. Bowen was outstanding in the PL this season 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: England fans singing about Hungary fans being racist during their national anthem is as good as this will get. Southgate will hopefully learn a lot about what Harry Kane can do tonight What do you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Time to go i'm afraid. It's been very stale since the Euro semi final 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Just now, 2015 said: Time to go i'm afraid. It's been very stale since the Euro semi final Since? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Let's face it, they're more Hungary for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denbury Red Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Over the last three or four games the only creativity has come from Grealish and Southgate doesn’t seem to want to give him a go from the start. Where has the midfield gone?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, Rossi the Robin said: Gallagher won’t be going to the World Cup I don’t think Noel might go. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Our midfield is not good enough to dominate against quality international opposition. So all this is just window dressing until we get some world class talent in the centre of the park. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 People need to relax a little. Only 5 of this team are in southgates first team and it’s come at the end of a long season 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_bristol Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 This is utterly dreadful 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted June 14, 2022 Admin Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Just now, And Its Smith said: People need to relax a little. Only 5 of this team are in southgates first team and it’s come at the end of a long season Exactly this, it's shown who won't be on the plane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: The reality is Southgate has the best record of any England manager 1966 and, whilst it is easy to talk about easy tournament paths, we’ve messed up easier paths than Southgate navigated. However all managers have a sell by date. Robson left at the right moment whereas Sven would have been remembered far more positively had he gone in 2004 rather than stayed to 2006. I am starting to think Southgate’s moment has peaked and he will move on after 2022 but he deserves a lot of credit for what he has done so far. In terms of @Davefevs’ comment about the players not being as good as we hoped, I think the jury is out for me but certainly we have a lot less attacking players in form than we did a year ago. Greenwood is obviously out, Grealish, Rashford and Sancho are struggling for form and the fact Southgate has brought Sterling on to play alongside Kane shows the amount we are relying on two forwards at the moment. Even if Southgate went, we’d be left with a manager trying to get a tune out of a lot of out of form players. I’m talking generally, not just at this moment. Dont get me wrong, they are all good players, but Kane is our only world class player…because he is a world class finisher, the rest of his game isn’t at the level of his finishing…but we need someone to put the ball in the net. I see how Bale and Ramsey massively lift a well organised Wales team, and wish we had them in their prime. I do think we have some tactical / structural issues but I don’t necessarily blame it on Southgate. We are a team capable of going into the latter stages of tournaments so it’s nowhere near as bad as people make out. My expectations are lower, and I actually wish we played a bit more like the underdog, than play with superiority when we aren’t superior (if that makes sense?j. Ah well, here comes Foden. I don’t have the answers. I’m not too fussed about this set of fixtures (after a hard season) either. I do think Southgate is at his best when he’s managed to create a club squad within the England set up. Wittering over! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Poor poor goal to concede. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Ah, 0-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Really bad. Lets not forget Hungary had a midfielder starting for them who was at Barnsley this season. Shocking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecko Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 I'm not too fussed on the performances, but do you think this will have a negative effect on morale? Not sure it's the best way to prepare for a world Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) Dreary me - you are going to get pelters Southgate , deserved or not Not sure how he will react to it You can make all the excuses you like but we look like 11 players just thrown out there - no real cohesive plan Theyve had the core of these players in numerous get together and for fixtures now - it doesn’t look like it Starting to look like LJ 2 yrs in Some failing auditions for some Edited June 14, 2022 by Sheltons Army Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 England are crap - absolutely no idea. 0-2 down with no goal threat whatsoever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Very poor by England. Perhaps only defence is that the players have played too much football On the evidence of tonight there is no plan B and the lack of ball skills in English game is exposed again at international stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 The FA wont get rid of the establishment man anyway so we'll have to put up with it i'm afraid 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) Hahahahaha. England have been complete shite. Deserve to lose frankly. Edited June 14, 2022 by robin_unreliant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedred31 Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Utterly awful since the Channel 4 deal- yup, I’m going to obsess on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denbury Red Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 So many players just not at the races …. James, Phillips, Saka, Bowen, Ramsdale at least and I hate to say it but the defence have looked a shambles without Harry MaGuire and I thought it would be more fluid when he wasn’t in the team. As has been posted before - clear to see who won’t be on the plane!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artcliffe exile Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Agree with what your saying but it’s Hungarian side that even Nagy can’t get a start I know we’ve had a long season but I think we need a fresh impetus Gareth has been a very lucky manager gave me some great memories but unfortunately has run his course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hankey Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Not a chance should Saka be starting games for England 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, Denbury Red said: Over the last three or four games the only creativity has come from Grealish and Southgate doesn’t seem to want to give him a go from the start. Where has the midfield gone?? Phillips and rice against hungary are about as likely to score as i am. Mount and saka have huge reputations but i cant remember either having a good game for england. Kane is a world class striker and Sterling is very good, but defence and midfield are so over rated, and a manager who doesnt want to take the reins off and actually attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin for life Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Got a feeling this might be Southgate's last game in charge. We are going to be relegated from this group and it could see us no longer seeded in competitions unless we win out last two games in September. We've looked disjointed and poor and we have been poor for a while now. Southgate has done well, but I think its time for a change now. These 4 games lately have been awful. We've gone from being free scoring and looking accomplished, to looking like a team that would struggle to beat two of the three home nations at present! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Ivorguy said: Very poor by England. Perhaps only defence is that the players have played too much football On the evidence of tonight there is no plan B and the lack of ball skills in English game is exposed again at international stage. None of trialists have done anything. At least Southgate knows not to select them again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Germany 5-0 Shitaly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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