bcfcredandwhite Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Well done Nagy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, kit said: Not much english about the forest manager.... True, should of said British, thought of very highly when he was at Liverpool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: I give up , try reading it again - he needs decent results in the two remaining NL games and a very decent WC or he’s toast (And I THINK HE WILL END UP WALKING AFTER THE WC) My apologies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: Good girl, great opening Yep she’s good no shits given at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Southgate or players don’t get it , there is losing and losing in games we should win but to be stuffed at home by Hungary is something else A disgrace Southgate talking as if he’s experimented with a load of kids 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, steveybadger said: So our second best manager ever is only in post as he’s a yes man? Did you think that 5 minutes into the Euro final? Yep, miles away from our second best manager, luckiest manager for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Super said: My apologies. No probs Super , and sorry - that disgrace from them has made my blood boil Edited June 14, 2022 by Sheltons Army Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted June 14, 2022 Admin Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, harrys said: Yep, but our useless manager kept him on the bench all night while practically every other midfielder/striker played some part The simple answer is he knows what Grealish brings to the team so didn't need to ha a look at him tonight The others were playing for their places 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Just now, phantom said: The simple answer is he knows what Grealish brings to the team so didn't need to ha a look at him tonight The others were playing for their places Oh if only that was true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketh2nd Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Well today shows GS wont be changing the team or formation that much .Today he tried to see if we could play the 4-3-3 starting with only Kane, Saka, Walker,Phillips and Stones that actually heavily featured in the Euros. This was the team that started against Italy in the final. Starting line-up: Pickford; Walker, Stones, Maguire; Trippier, Rice, Phillips, Shaw; Mount, Sterling; Kane It shows that under GS we work best with the 3-5-2 formation ,the importance being on core players Like Maguire, Rice ,Sterling and Kane needing to be in the team and show we will struggle if they do get injured. Players on the fringes who have had good seasons in premier league. haven't done a great deal to prove yet I think Only Rams dale has a chance to break into the team although Pickford has always played well for England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 34 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Put it this way, did Kane need to play his 57th game of the season tonight ? Oh I see what you mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Not gonna too worked up about tonight. Shit happens! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said: Oh I see what you mean Only if Southgate actually hoped to win this match and has so few other alternatives. It can hardly be because he needs to see how Kane plays for England. Just now, Davefevs said: Not gonna too worked up about tonight. Shit happens! Sure did tonight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 41 minutes ago, phantom said: Problem is, he has a decent tournament record How is that a problem? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, phantom said: The simple answer is he knows what Grealish brings to the team so didn't need to ha a look at him tonight The others were playing for their places Thats not a simple answer. With Mr Southgate in plate spinning mode, changing systems and at one point playing two eights was a time to see how Grealish performed with Foden. Englands key performace indicators of high possession but low chance creation need to be changed. Englands results were not going to continue in the same form, and have not. Possession of 60 -70% without chance creation becomes possession for possession sake. Edited June 14, 2022 by Cowshed 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, Henry said: How is that a problem? Reminds me of the old line a selector once said about batsman Graham Thorpe - what does he bring to the table apart from runs…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Henry said: How is that a problem? Problem is, and again, in no way anti-England, at the last WC it was a relatively easy run until the semi’ s then along come Croatia, go one up then what happens? Sit on a lead. The Euros, similar story, relatively easy ride, OK Germany, but a team in decline, get to the final, go 1-0 then sit on that with the inevitable end result. Will Quatar be any different? Probably not. Southgate is way way too negative but, he is a ‘company man’, he will survive, if he wants to, regardless of the WC result. Apparently, at some point, he wants to get back into club football. Which top level side would touch him? Been lots of vacancies at that level since he took over England and he is never ever mentioned as a candidate. Take from that what you will. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Southgate got educated himself in these two games against Hungary. Incredibly patronising when he said that at the start of the nations league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Not gonna too worked up about tonight. Shit happens! There’s been some weird results especially for the bigger nations in this ridiculous end of season international schedule. I wouldn’t read that much into these results and performances, across the board. The players don’t give a shit and just want to go on their holidays, De Bruyne practicality said as much the other day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, ScottishRed said: Problem is, and again, in no way anti-England, at the last WC it was a relatively easy run until the semi’ s then along come Croatia, go one up then what happens? Sit on a lead. The Euros, similar story, relatively easy ride, OK Germany, but a team in decline, get to the final, go 1-0 then sit on that with the inevitable end result. Will Quatar be any different? Probably not. Southgate is way way too negative but, he is a ‘company man’, he will survive, if he wants to, regardless of the WC result. Apparently, at some point, he wants to get back into club football. Which top level side would touch him? Been lots of vacancies at that level since he took over England and he is never ever mentioned as a candidate. Take from that what you will. He has flaws for sure. I’m not having this narrative that he’s gotten a team to a semi final and final is down to a easy run. People always forget what came before Southgate. Limping to a quarter final and often losing or bore draws against giants like Algeria and Iceland. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Henry said: He has flaws for sure. I’m not having this narrative that he’s gotten a team to a semi final and final is down to a easy run. People always forget what came before Southgate. Limping to a quarter final and often losing or bore draws against giants like Algeria and Iceland. Which is all fair comment. But maybe the managers in charge then were even worse than Southgate OR, did not have the full breadth of talent available that, nobody argues, he certainly does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 I’m torn here. Never been a Southgate fan. Didn’t deserve the job, plays a poor standard of football and my word doesn’t make the most of what could be considered a fairly golden generation. But… he’s done well so far. We won’t win with him at the helm, but at the same time he’s done too well to be sacked. Remember when Southampton did really really well under Adkins (I think) and then they really really harshly sacked him and everybody thought it was silly. I feel like that’s where we’re at with GS. But the FA won’t be as ruthless as Saints were. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 29 minutes ago, ScottishRed said: Problem is, and again, in no way anti-England, at the last WC it was a relatively easy run until the semi’ s then along come Croatia, go one up then what happens? Sit on a lead. The Euros, similar story, relatively easy ride, OK Germany, but a team in decline, get to the final, go 1-0 then sit on that with the inevitable end result. Will Quatar be any different? Probably not. Southgate is way way too negative but, he is a ‘company man’, he will survive, if he wants to, regardless of the WC result. Apparently, at some point, he wants to get back into club football. Which top level side would touch him? Been lots of vacancies at that level since he took over England and he is never ever mentioned as a candidate. Take from that what you will. People say it’s an easy run but they must have beaten the better teams somewhere down the line - I don’t get why people say that, it’s all about form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Dyche for England. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, bris red said: As i said previously this must surely be the beginning of the end for Southgate. He peaked last summer for me and must go after qatar barring an absolute miracle. I will just say though before the English public and press slaughter him that a fair bit of respect must be put on Southgates name IMO. First manager to get us to a final since 66 and the first WC semi-final since 90 is not to be sniffed at. So do you support him or not? as this post is running with the hares and hunting with the hounds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 The thing I'd criticise Southgate for is that he didn't just play a shadow squad and rest the players who needed a rest. Likes of Kane, Sterling, Mount, Rice, Saka, Maguire, Walker and even Pickford did not need to play any of these games. Even Alexander Arnold and Foden should've been sent on holiday and told to have a proper pre-season. The likes of Phillips, Trippier, James, Grealish, Coady, Abraham, Bellingham should've been the main players for this with others like JWP, Timori, Bowen and a few others given more gametime. It would've been better in the short, medium and long term. He's messed up strategically with his planning. My concern is a lot of our main players will pick up injuries early in the season simply because of fatigue and others will arrive at a very condensed tournament tired and not at their best. If I were an EPL manager I'd particularly be looking at Italians, Hungarians, Norwegians, Swedes, Ukrainians, Egyptians to sign. Any country not at the World cup basically because those who do make it are likely to be spent 2nd half of the season. The others will have had a lovely break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted June 14, 2022 Admin Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, The Bard said: The thing I'd criticise Southgate for is that he didn't just play a shadow squad and rest the players who needed a rest. Likes of Kane, Sterling, Mount, Rice, Saka, Maguire, Walker and even Pickford did not need to play any of these games. Even Alexander Arnold and Foden should've been sent on holiday and told to have a proper pre-season. The likes of Phillips, Trippier, James, Grealish, Coady, Abraham, Bellingham should've been the main players for this with others like JWP, Timori, Bowen and a few others given more gametime. It would've been better in the short, medium and long term. He's messed up strategically with his planning. My concern is a lot of our main players will pick up injuries early in the season simply because of fatigue and others will arrive at a very condensed tournament tired and not at their best. If I were an EPL manager I'd particularly be looking at Italians, Hungarians, Norwegians, Swedes, Ukrainians, Egyptians to sign. Any country not at the World cup basically because those who do make it are likely to be spent 2nd half of the season. The others will have had a lovely break. Many countries will only be playing 3,maybe 4 maybe 5 games Not going to impact on anyone that greatly What will be interesting and I don't know the answer is what clubs will do during the world cup break. There's no way they won't play games as players will lose sharpness etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 56 minutes ago, The Batman said: Southgate got educated himself in these two games against Hungary. Incredibly patronising when he said that at the start of the nations league. Incredibly patronising of him to tell other people what to think and it's kind of ironic that Hungary are the ones to have humbled him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.G.Red Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Does tonight's result mean we are currently a worse team than Northern Ireland? They only lost 1-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 30 minutes ago, phantom said: Many countries will only be playing 3,maybe 4 maybe 5 games Not going to impact on anyone that greatly What will be interesting and I don't know the answer is what clubs will do during the world cup break. There's no way they won't play games as players will lose sharpness etc I woud guess Phants , a chance to do some intensive work on training ground , probably then give them a few days / a week off , before a mini pre season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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