Popular Post Jimbo76 Posted July 17, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) Ok, so this post is going to annoy some. First off, I'm not naive about the behaviour of football fans. Before moving away from Bristol, throughout the 90s, I had a season ticket in the upper part of Dolman block C so was fairly close to the 'excitable' fans and have heard, joined in with and laughed frequently at the songs and general banter that is standard across football. But yesterday was, for me, a different experience. Now my views will be affected by the fact that I was taking my 7 year old to his first ever football match and I wanted it to be a success. It wasn't (ok the football didn't help but that's not the issue). I had already warned him that he would hear lots of swearing and I expected to hear all forms and lots of it. Again, not the issue. For me, the issue is the anger and vitriol that accompanied it and the apparent obsession with paedophillia. This was a pre season friendly in sunny weather at another West country club. Perfect opportunity for singing, banter and classic terrace humour. Why then did I ( and more importantly my 7 year old) have to listen to at least 25 minutes of foul abuse, singling out a Plymouth fan as a ****ing n*nce, a ****ing p*edo and various other forms of the same abuse. All delivered, as I say, with what seemed like genuine anger. Why? Even when the target had to relocate because of the abuse and there was a kid left there, apparently crying (according to the bloke next to me), it prompted songs of 'where's your daddy gone?', 'we want our paedo back' etc... My lad didn't know where to look and when I asked if he was alright he said he was a bit scared. I asked why and he said because of 'all the angry men'. When did paedophillia become funny? He heard the terms so many times yesterday that all he wanted to know afterwards was what a 'paedo' and a 'n*nce' were. I dread to think what he'll be saying in the playground tomorrow. Why can you go to the cricket or the rugby and still have great crowd interaction without all the extreme abuse. I know some will read this and think I'm being over sensitive, and there may be some truth in that, because I was so keen for my lad to enjoy the day (and he didn't) but I really think there is a question of appropriate behaviour to be asked. Edited July 17, 2022 by Jimbo76 Spelling 33 2 5 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, Jimbo76 said: Ok, so this post is going to annoy some. First off, I'm not naive about the behaviour of football fans. Before moving away from Bristol, throughout the 90s, I had a season ticket in the upper part of Dolman block C so was fairly close to the 'excitable' fans and have heard, joined in with and laughed frequently at the songs and general banter that is standard across football. But yesterday was, for me, a different experience. Now my views will be affected by the fact that I was taking my 7 year old to his first ever football match and I wanted it to be a success. It wasn't (ok the football didn't help but that's not the issue). I had already warned him that he would hear lots of swearing and I expected to hear all forms and lots of it. Again, not the issue. For me, the issue is the anger and vitriol that accompanied it and the apparent obsession with paedophillia. This was a pre season friendly in sunny weather at another West country club. Perfect opportunity for singing, banter and classic terrace humour. Why then did I ( and more importantly my 7 year old) have to listen to at least 25 minutes of foul abuse, singling out a Plymouth fan as a ****ing n*nce, a ****ing p*edo and various other forms of the same abuse. All delivered, as I say, with what seemed like genuine anger. Why? Even when the target had to relocate because of the abuse and there was a kid left there, apparently crying (according to the bloke next to me), it prompted songs of 'where's your daddy gone?', 'we want our paedo back' etc... My lad didn't know where to look and when I asked if he was alright he said he was a bit scared. I asked why and he said because of 'all the angry men'. When did paedophillia become funny? He heard the terms so many times yesterday that all he wanted to know afterwards was what a 'paedo' and a 'n*nce' were. I dread to think what he'll be saying in the playground tomorrow. Why can you go to the cricket or the rugby and still have great crowd interaction without all the extreme abuse. I know some will read this and think I'm being over sensitive, and there may be some truth in that, because I was so keen for my lad to enjoy the day (and he didn't) but I really think there is a question of appropriate behaviour to be asked. Doesn’t annoy me in one little bit but it seems your rant is that you took your kid and it upset you,quite what the weather has anything to do with it I’m not sure as for cricket you mean the sport where they are fighting in the stands all the time(there is a thread if you look)and let’s not get started on the myth of no trouble at rugby games,as for your son be a proper parent and tell him what he heard was wrong,not rocket science 7 1 4 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo76 Posted July 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 Just now, joe jordans teeth said: Doesn’t annoy me in one little bit but it seems your rant is that you took your kid and it upset you,quite what the weather has anything to do with it I’m not sure as for cricket you mean the sport where they are fighting in the stands all the time(there is a thread if you look)and let’s not get started on the myth of no trouble at rugby games,as for your son be a proper parent and tell him what he heard was wrong,not rocket science I'd venture it has annoyed you slightly? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Jimbo76 said: I'd venture it has annoyed you slightly? Hasn’t at all,apart from the the I dread to think what he will say in the playground,it’s your bloody son have some control Edited July 17, 2022 by joe jordans teeth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrob Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 20 minutes ago, Jimbo76 said: Ok, so this post is going to annoy some. First off, I'm not naive about the behaviour of football fans. Before moving away from Bristol, throughout the 90s, I had a season ticket in the upper part of Dolman block C so was fairly close to the 'excitable' fans and have heard, joined in with and laughed frequently at the songs and general banter that is standard across football. But yesterday was, for me, a different experience. Now my views will be affected by the fact that I was taking my 7 year old to his first ever football match and I wanted it to be a success. It wasn't (ok the football didn't help but that's not the issue). I had already warned him that he would hear lots of swearing and I expected to hear all forms and lots of it. Again, not the issue. For me, the issue is the anger and vitriol that accompanied it and the apparent obsession with paedophillia. This was a pre season friendly in sunny weather at another West country club. Perfect opportunity for singing, banter and classic terrace humour. Why then did I ( and more importantly my 7 year old) have to listen to at least 25 minutes of foul abuse, singling out a Plymouth fan as a ****ing n*nce, a ****ing p*edo and various other forms of the same abuse. All delivered, as I say, with what seemed like genuine anger. Why? Even when the target had to relocate because of the abuse and there was a kid left there, apparently crying (according to the bloke next to me), it prompted songs of 'where's your daddy gone?', 'we want our paedo back' etc... My lad didn't know where to look and when I asked if he was alright he said he was a bit scared. I asked why and he said because of 'all the angry men'. When did paedophillia become funny? He heard the terms so many times yesterday that all he wanted to know afterwards was what a 'paedo' and a 'n*nce' were. I dread to think what he'll be saying in the playground tomorrow. Why can you go to the cricket or the rugby and still have great crowd interaction without all the extreme abuse. I know some will read this and think I'm being over sensitive, and there may be some truth in that, because I was so keen for my lad to enjoy the day (and he didn't) but I really think there is a question of appropriate behaviour to be asked. Sorry you and your boy had to experience this. It shouldn't be the case and quite frankly I don't know why football 'fans' have to be like this when other teams sports don't have the same. And at a pre-season friendly makes it even more deplorable. Wanting to take my 7 year old (he saw one game when he was 4) but its behaviour like this that puts me off. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 I’m afraid it’s a very common thing at most matches, you either accept it and take it in your stride or not 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 I don't like the sexual chants either and I'm an old git who knows what the words mean although I expect many of those chanting such filth don't. You have to remember you're dealing with 15-20 year olds with 4th-6th form mentality where 'boobies' make them snigger or a, few older types who haven't got their mind out of the 6th form yet. If it was an individual you could report it to the stewards but they're not going to take action against a sizeable group. I never took my nephew to a City away match until he was 15 and I certainly wouldn't take my 7 year old great nephew to one, which is sad. He's better off watching Melksham Town. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 Was the plymouth fan giving it the"biggun"? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, redrob said: Sorry you and your boy had to experience this. It shouldn't be the case and quite frankly I don't know why football 'fans' have to be like this when other teams sports don't have the same. And at a pre-season friendly makes it even more deplorable. Wanting to take my 7 year old (he saw one game when he was 4) but its behaviour like this that puts me off. Why at a pre-season friendly does it make it worse,what a odd comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo76 Posted July 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 16 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: Hasn’t at all,apart from the the I dread to think what he will say in the playground,it’s your bloody son have some control I'll pass on the parenting tips, but thanks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Jimbo76 said: I'll pass on the parenting tips, but thanks. You are welcome or he will turn out to be one of the people singing it,I know you can’t discipline children now so just force a marmite sandwich down his neck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stortz Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Jimbo76 said: Ok, so this post is going to annoy some. First off, I'm not naive about the behaviour of football fans. Before moving away from Bristol, throughout the 90s, I had a season ticket in the upper part of Dolman block C so was fairly close to the 'excitable' fans and have heard, joined in with and laughed frequently at the songs and general banter that is standard across football. But yesterday was, for me, a different experience. Now my views will be affected by the fact that I was taking my 7 year old to his first ever football match and I wanted it to be a success. It wasn't (ok the football didn't help but that's not the issue). I had already warned him that he would hear lots of swearing and I expected to hear all forms and lots of it. Again, not the issue. For me, the issue is the anger and vitriol that accompanied it and the apparent obsession with paedophillia. This was a pre season friendly in sunny weather at another West country club. Perfect opportunity for singing, banter and classic terrace humour. Why then did I ( and more importantly my 7 year old) have to listen to at least 25 minutes of foul abuse, singling out a Plymouth fan as a ****ing n*nce, a ****ing p*edo and various other forms of the same abuse. All delivered, as I say, with what seemed like genuine anger. Why? Even when the target had to relocate because of the abuse and there was a kid left there, apparently crying (according to the bloke next to me), it prompted songs of 'where's your daddy gone?', 'we want our paedo back' etc... My lad didn't know where to look and when I asked if he was alright he said he was a bit scared. I asked why and he said because of 'all the angry men'. When did paedophillia become funny? He heard the terms so many times yesterday that all he wanted to know afterwards was what a 'paedo' and a 'n*nce' were. I dread to think what he'll be saying in the playground tomorrow. Why can you go to the cricket or the rugby and still have great crowd interaction without all the extreme abuse. I know some will read this and think I'm being over sensitive, and there may be some truth in that, because I was so keen for my lad to enjoy the day (and he didn't) but I really think there is a question of appropriate behaviour to be asked. I understand how frustrating your day must have been, as a parent who has taken my daughter then my son with various levels of success in various situations. Unfortunately, and I say this with no hint of malice, the behaviour of others is seen as far more unacceptable when you're stressing about what your kid is hearing. It's not going to change because you don't want to hear it. My kids always knew that a condition of going to football is that what you hear there, stays there. I hope your next attempt works out better for you! Edited July 17, 2022 by Stortz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post redapple Posted July 17, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 There’s good banter, witty banter, intelligent banter and brain-dead banter. I’m with the OP. 51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) The whole thing yesterday was pretty bizarre, the Plymouth fan in question seemed to revel in the attention and it was bizarre that Plymouths stewards solution was to move him and not the people he was with As for the chants, I’ve hear them at several away games and whilst it’s pretty cringeworthy it seems par for the course although it’s unfortunate that kids get to hear it Edited July 17, 2022 by East Londoner Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 I bet if you asked the people singing why they were doing it, they wouldn't be able to tell you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) They want to kick racism out the game, why not this too? Edited July 17, 2022 by Alan Dicks 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, Alan Dicks said: They want to kick racism out the game, why not this too? Kick what out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, Northern Red said: I bet if you asked the people singing why they were doing it, they wouldn't be able to tell you. Are you suggesting they don’t know what it is,they may be dim but let’s not underestimate them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: Kick what out People singing about such vile acts as if it were funny. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Alan Dicks said: People singing about such vile acts as if it were funny. Like the Gerry Gow song I’m guessing because it’s a bit violent,let’s all sing ole ole ole I guess for 90 minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtucks Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 1 hour ago, joe jordans teeth said: Why at a pre-season friendly does it make it worse,what a odd comment Not really. The game was a friendly. Surely not need for such vitriol. No need for it at any game though, is there??? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 1 hour ago, harrys said: I’m afraid it’s a very common thing at most matches, you either accept it and take it in your stride or not Why should people accept something that is wrong? People should never accept unacceptable behaviour. I’m old enough to remember how bad things were in the 60s and 70s when things were really bad. Younger supporters don’t realise what it was like in those days when you went to a football match. I thought things were getting better, but obviously not. The fact that a 7 year old ended up crying because of “all the angry men” is disgraceful. Well done to @Jimbo76 for standing up to this 13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: Like the Gerry Gow song I’m guessing because it’s a bit violent,let’s all sing ole ole ole I guess for 90 minutes I don’t recall any songs sung about Gerry that mentions the vile act of paedophillia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, Alan Dicks said: I don’t recall any songs sung about Gerry that mentions the vile act of paedophillia. Or violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Super Posted July 17, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 If anyone thinks singing your dad is a n**ce to a little girl is a funny thing to do then they are a sad individual. Embarrassing. 59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, Alan Dicks said: I don’t recall any songs sung about Gerry that mentions the vile act of paedophillia. Clearly missing the point 6 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: Or violence. you don’t know the second part then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: Clearly missing the point you don’t know the second part the Seeing that I last sang it about 45 years ago, no I don't recall a second part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 1 hour ago, joe jordans teeth said: Kick what out Fuckwitery. Then again, football crowds would be decimated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitchinRed Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 I’m afraid that ‘banter’ is part and parcel of the game. At home games it’s not so much of a problem because you can choose to sit in the family section (although even this doesn’t seem to guarantee there isn’t some knobhead swearing and I think these people should be ejected from the section). However, at away games there isn’t a choice where you sit, and hence I sympathise with the OP. Again I would like to think that people would look around them and tone it down if there were young children around, but I accept that this would be optimistic. The option that would help is unreserved seating for away games. I know this isn’t popular with some, but this would allow people to choose to sit in a section which is less likely to be as ‘aggressive’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 21 minutes ago, HitchinRed said: I’m afraid that ‘banter’ is part and parcel of the game. At home games it’s not so much of a problem because you can choose to sit in the family section (although even this doesn’t seem to guarantee there isn’t some knobhead swearing and I think these people should be ejected from the section). However, at away games there isn’t a choice where you sit, and hence I sympathise with the OP. Again I would like to think that people would look around them and tone it down if there were young children around, but I accept that this would be optimistic. The option that would help is unreserved seating for away games. I know this isn’t popular with some, but this would allow people to choose to sit in a section which is less likely to be as ‘aggressive’. Or these idiots could just grow up or is that asking too much? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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