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22 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said:

Do you not think that we tackle like girls then?

How do girls tackle then? I assume with your username you have a degree of expertise?

Are you judging our players by girls standards because you personally couldn't tackle Mary Earps in a telephone box let alone any of the outfield players................

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52 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

How do girls tackle then? I assume with your username you have a degree of expertise?

Are you judging our players by girls standards because you personally couldn't tackle Mary Earps in a telephone box let alone any of the outfield players................

Odd assumptions to make when you have no knowledge of the users football experience.

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22 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Whereas saying City players "tackle like girls" is not odd in any way, shape or form................

Bristol City's soft underbelly has been well known throughout the Championship for a few years. Whilst we played a little better at times on Saturday, the soft underbelly is evident for all to see.  Compared to some of the hard players we have had over the years, we tackle like girls.

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The standard of refereeing within the championship is dreadful. They lack emotional intelligence and we are now at a point where they are not makikg decisions based on individual events but the accumulation of appeals or by who shouts loudest.

The ref does not give the Hull penalty if they hadn't had 2 appeals already, both of which didn't look like fouls and neither would've been over turned by VAR. The Atkinson decision was scandalous considering he was staring straight at it.

Moving forward the only solution is to be aggressive and unpleasant to the ref. Crowd him, intimidate him and question him, they don't have the bollocks to give 7 8 yellow cards a game. This may not sit comfortably for some but unfortunately the refs have shown they are mentally weak and easily fold under pressure.

Decisions should be based on merit and individual circumstances, unfortunately due to the referee incompetence we are well passed that point now.

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28 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said:

Bristol City's soft underbelly has been well known throughout the Championship for a few years. Whilst we played a little better at times on Saturday, the soft underbelly is evident for all to see.  Compared to some of the hard players we have had over the years, we tackle like girls.

How do girls tackle?

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5 hours ago, Tafkarmlf said:

I know we have this collective thing about how 'hard done' to we are. 

 However Law 12 is pretty clear on it https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct

 

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5 hours ago, cityexile said:

I know you like to play contrarian, but that does not say what you think it does.

The ‘contact’ comment is after ‘trips or attempts to trip’. The fact that he went on for a few steps before falling, it is clear he had not been tripped, but chose to fall over. Think about it, if every contact was a free kick the game would never happen.

The only question law 12 poses is was he tripped by the tackle, not if there was contact.

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As per above…was he tripped?  I could easily argue he wasn’t tripped…that he actually dived, rather than fell because he was tripped. Subtle difference, certainly not black and white is it?

Its a badly worded set of “laws”, where from this season the referees have been open in saying “more” (define more?) contact will be allowed.  So how are they executing this?  Badly I’d guess!!!

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

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As per above…was he tripped?  I could easily argue he wasn’t tripped…that he actually dived, rather than fell because he was tripped. Subtle difference, certainly not black and white is it?

Its a badly worded set of “laws”, where from this season the referees have been open in saying “more” (define more?) contact will be allowed.  So how are they executing this?  Badly I’d guess!!!

We will have to disagree as a careless tackle or challenge is where I'm going off, which results in a direct free kick, which in the area means a penalty. 

It wasnt a controlled challenge, leg out, hope for the best. 

It also applies to the point below the highlighted one. 

He wasn't booked for it

Other views may differ, of course.

However the main point I was trying to make is we as a collective need to get out of this 'infamy, infamy, they've all got it infamy' mindset. It's only got worse over the last two seasons and every official has it in for us or is rubbish by default, even when we win.

They  don't but every single match day thread comes with its own ref bingo card 😕

 

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2 hours ago, Tafkarmlf said:

However the main point I was trying to make is we as a collective need to get out of this 'infamy, infamy, they've all got it infamy' mindset. It's only got worse over the last two seasons and every official has it in for us or is rubbish by default, even when we win.

The ref made some shocking decisions against us (well before the penalty), not cautioning their players, in fact one player committed several bookable offences.  When you see a Lino flagging vigorously, it’s usually because of a bad challenge…we saw that a couple of times, and nothing.  We don’t get the 50:50s, the lack of penalties across 2 seasons prove that.  They are key decisions in matches and we get the shitty end of the stick.  Ultimately the refs aren’t up to it, and they suck up to the perceived big club / ex-PL club too often.

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2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

The ref made some shocking decisions against us (well before the penalty), not cautioning their players, in fact one player committed several bookable offences.  When you see a Lino flagging vigorously, it’s usually because of a bad challenge…we saw that a couple of times, and nothing.  We don’t get the 50:50s, the lack of penalties across 2 seasons prove that.  They are key decisions in matches and we get the shitty end of the stick.  Ultimately the refs aren’t up to it, and they suck up to the perceived big club / ex-PL club too often.

I am a qualified ref - fouls are split into 3 categories - careless, reckless and excessive force. Reckless = yellow, excessive force = red......the left wing back had at least 2 "reckless" challenges - and I mean at least.....for him not to get a booking all game is a prime example of the ref not following the rule book.

Some will say that refs want to allow the game to flow, that's fine with "careless" challenges - you can give multiple chances.....you can't with the other two.

When you qualify as a ref it makes you realise just how dire these officials in in champ are.....its a hard job and the pace is quick but the rulebook is very clear, and for them to be incapable of doing the basics is extremely concerning.

 

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10 hours ago, Davefevs said:

The ref made some shocking decisions against us (well before the penalty), not cautioning their players, in fact one player committed several bookable offences.  When you see a Lino flagging vigorously, it’s usually because of a bad challenge…we saw that a couple of times, and nothing.  We don’t get the 50:50s, the lack of penalties across 2 seasons prove that.  They are key decisions in matches and we get the shitty end of the stick.  Ultimately the refs aren’t up to it, and they suck up to the perceived big club / ex-PL club too often.

I appreciate what you are saying, however we make our own luck, and vs Hull wasn't any different. Aside from Sykes Header, Jays Shot wide and the goal, we didn't actually create all that much up front from memory and Oscar and Tetteh could and should have done better on occasion when they got past the defence.  Think both teams had about 4 shots on target or there abouts 

Not saying we didn't play well,  actually gave my thoughts elsewhere in the thread :)however we've got to move away from this mentality of everyone hates us and everyone else is the favoured big club. 

Hull arent, it was first game of the season, draw would have been fair and we lost to a flukey deflection. 

It will be a a difficult season on here if we're going to spend most of it laying in to referee's, how hard done to we are or how rubbish the officiating is permeates every match day thread.

There's more to games than the ref :)

 

 

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After having a few days to reflect, I wanted to put some thoughts. 
 

First half, we were very good. We did at times force some things in possession. We’d play a few passes then try clipping one in over the top or playing someone in to the byline that were a bit forced. Our best play was when we were patient and started play with Naismith imo. 
 

The way we pressed and defended at times was brilliant. However, it was quite clear come HT it was taking a lot out of players. Now perhaps this was due to Hull playing very wide. Just want to mention that some players, especially the older ones imo, struggled when we hit the 70 min mark. Think NP failed in not making the last 2 changes. 
 

Our first half play showed we can play a pretty good brand of football with Chris Martin starting. However, I couldn’t help but think how much better this could look with Semenyo in for him. Think Naismith will find him quite often on those long passes. Martin was good first half but when he drops deep it takes him out of the game. Of course he needs to do it but we stopped really running in behind after a few times. And when he does play it off quick he doesn’t have the pace to be a scoring factor as it is often part of the build up of a counter attack. This isn’t a CM bashing but I do feel he should be playing much less this season once AS is back. What an option to have though off the bench and spot starts when injuries or suspensions or even some matchups. 
 

We looked a lesser of a side once Weimann dropped deeper imo. Now there were a couple knocks to Scott and Sykes I believe. So probably more of a necessity on the day. Missed Scott getting on the ball and drawing fouls. Think Sykes would be similar. 
 

Thought second half we could have used more pace and movement around the 70 min mark. They were allowed to be aggressive with Martin so perhaps Wells would have added a sharpness and threat in behind with Conway that could have been our outlet. 

All in all good performance. I think Hull might be alright. They had a Coventry from last season feel to their play second half. No doubt they have quality. We could end up looking back and saying a ref robbed us of an away win against a top 10 side. I’d like to eventually see a more mobile fluid attack especially with how we played. 

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12 hours ago, Davefevs said:

The ref made some shocking decisions against us (well before the penalty), not cautioning their players, in fact one player committed several bookable offences.  When you see a Lino flagging vigorously, it’s usually because of a bad challenge…we saw that a couple of times, and nothing.  We don’t get the 50:50s, the lack of penalties across 2 seasons prove that.  They are key decisions in matches and we get the shitty end of the stick.  Ultimately the refs aren’t up to it, and they suck up to the perceived big club / ex-PL club too often.

This - the referee couldn’t make his mind up on how he was going to manage the game, he decision to be lenient on the physical stuff early doors largely led to Sykes being all but kicked off the park with Martin taking a few foot left in challenges too. 

The problem is, seemingly in the Championship, the referee performances have been pretty much dire for the last couple of seasons, I’ve lost count of the number of games where a refereeing decision has been a talking point, perhaps they need more help or perhaps they too should open to post match questions.

Hull’s new imports and manager certainly have brought an increase in the dark arts of both physicality and cynical game management, and if they continue in that mould combined with a seemingly new Aston Villa-esque fan’s sense of entitlement, I suspect they will rapidly become a more disliked club.

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