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I saw it basically same as OP. Dasilva wasn’t as sharp as he looked pre season. They also seemed to target him. If in trouble the ball was long and high in his direction.
 

Williams was my pick of the two in midfield but both did well. Scott was classy at times. Needs to affect games more than he did today though. 
 

Weimann was terrific. Conway has something about him just needs more minutes. Martin was fine. Thought first half pretty good. Much less effective second half imo. Thought we could have used more pace and movement. For me, while he did not do much wrong, he limits how we play out and press. 
 

The back 3 were pretty good. Some rust from both the wider players. Naismith outstanding even if he gave away “the pen”

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40 minutes ago, Olé said:

City started the 22/23 season with stability and continuity - a largely familiar team and developing identity - and yet fell victims to the complete opposite extreme of ridiculous and unpredictable freakery as a clearly new and hastily assembled Hull side claimed an improbable comeback win through a bizarre penalty and then wild late deflected winner.

The new look hosts lacked fluidity and were every inch the thrown together strangers the transfer window suggested - City in control and comfortable heading into half time with a 1-0 lead following a one sided half - but in a ridiculous final 20 Teteh blagged a bizarre penalty after doing a forward roll in the box, then Seri spooned in an injury time decider.

Nigel Pearson's side settled instantly and so took control of the game from the start. In 4 minutes debutant Mark Sykes bamboozled his marker and got clear on the right wing to cross for Matty James to nod down beyond keeper Ingram who managed to desperately push the header away beyond the far post as a bumper crowd enjoyed a lively opening.

A minute later and another Sykes right wing cross following good work by Weimann and Williams found Martin arriving far post only to flash his header just over the top corner. It wasn't until well past the quarter hour that Hull found any momentum - and two shouts for a penalty, the second seemingly clear as Zak Vyner pushed over his man in the box.

Hull enjoyed a series of right wing corners at the midway point in the half but City stayed well organised and before half hour went in front from a spell of possession on the left. Alex Scott was fouled just and debutant Kal Naismith floated a deep ball beyond the far post which Vyner stretched to steer across goal, Andi Weimann roaring in to stab home.

Hull's best chance came 10 before half time as a quick reverse by Seri weaved the ball through defenders to put Estupinan clear but Dan Bentley raced out to smother the close range shot. In injury time Weimann raced back to rob a man in space, Naismith turned over a dangerous header across goal, and City repelled pinball in the box from a final corner.

In truth the hosts were more effective after the break but they really couldn’t have been much worse. After a wayward Sykes long range effort and a brief fast paced crossfield City break  wasted by Williams, Hull grew in confidence as Jones was put away in behind DaSilva and cut inside to lay it back for Tufan to smash onto the near post at the edge of the box.

By now Hull were finding space behind both of City’s wing backs but wasting good opportunities by lifting balls into the home crowd. The visitors looked for a reboot as Kane Wilson and Tommy Conway entered to replace Sykes and Scott - and won back possession high up, Conway getting to the byline to feed across goal where Ingram stopped Martin turning in.

Both subs looked assured right away and at the three-quarter mark Wilson’s throw in saw an exchange which Conway raced away with, striding into the box to lash inches over as the away end held its breath. So a sucker punch at the other end as a break down the right found Teteh in the middle who under little pressure tumbled comically and yet won a penalty.

Tufan stepped up and sent Bentley the right way - to the stoppers’ right - but finished unerringly into the far corner without a glove on the shot.  To compound the sense of frustration for the suddenly silenced travelling fans, in contrast to the ridiculous spot kick, at the other end Rob Atkinson was mauled down from a Naismith right wing corner with no award.

In the final exchanges City looked good for a winner - Conway was found on the right and a half clearance saw Weimann feed DaSilva’s run, the wingback dropping a shoulder, slipping inside a defender and slamming a shot past the keeper but just past the post. Then Wilson strode out of midfield and laid off to Conway who rolled defenders but saw a shot blocked.

Into injury time and the impressive Wilson got to the byline easily before cutting back and instead of crossing as he had done several times in the prior minutes, slipped a clever, disguised low ball into the path of Weimann sprinting in at the near post, who spun quickly and stung the keepers hands at close range. Somehow City would not get the win they deserved.

But then the ultimate sucker punch - to compound the ridiculous equaliser, a comical winner deep in injury time for the disjointed hosts. A throw in deep on the left was hooked speculatively into the middle where Seri swung a pot shot from the edge of the box which collided with late sub Tim Klose’s diving block and spooned in an arc  into Bentley’s opposite corner.

A big home following buoyed by new owners roared their approval, but in truth this was a comical conclusion to City’s season opener. Pearson’s men showed everything even their most optimistic fans expected of them - a settled side with more identity, energy and control than their opponents - and yet fate contrived to instead reward the patched together hosts.

 

Bentley 7 Did brilliantly to stop Estupinan first half, couldn't do much more on the goals

Naismith 8 Looks classy at the back and playing it forward - a wand of a ball for the opener

Vyner 7 Easy to expect the worst but competent throughout, free of mistakes, and an assist

Atkinson 6 More adventurous down the left than he has been but caught in possession a few times

Sykes 7 A revelation early on, gave us width and crossing, a vital outlet for us, then picked up a knock

DaSilva 5 Our weak link, too easily exposed in behind at wing back, and sketchy crossing going forward

Williams 7 Helped us play through Hull with ease first half, and threw himself at every Hull opportunity

James 6 Tidy and effective but seemed to be increasingly bypassed during the second period

Scott 7 Looked comfortable on the ball whenever he got it but faded second half before substitution

Weimann 8 An inspiration - ghosted in at one end to score, at the other end to stop a goal. Everywhere.

Martin 6 Led the line well and important role, but felt like the odd opportunity to flick on was wasted

 

Wilson 7 Looked seriously classy after coming on, had the beating of his man at every single opportunity

Conway 7 Did not look out of place getting the shout before Wells - went close and never stopped running

Klose 5 Only on for a few minutes and the most unfortunate deflection from his full blooded block

Atkinson six was a bit harsh. He did well and was subject to some horrific tackling. Otherwise it’s the way I saw it. 

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22 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

I saw it basically same as OP. Dasilva wasn’t as sharp as he looked pre season. They also seemed to target him. If in trouble the ball was long and high in his direction.
 

Williams was my pick of the two in midfield but both did well. Scott was classy at times. Needs to affect games more than he did today though. 
 

Weimann was terrific. Conway has something about him just needs more minutes. Martin was fine. Thought first half pretty good. Much less effective second half imo. Thought we could have used more pace and movement. For me, while he did not do much wrong, he limits how we play out and press. 
 

The back 3 were pretty good. Some rust from both the wider players. Naismith outstanding even if he gave away “the pen”

All good summaries above. A decent performance. 
 

Just the effing result and the effing referee!!!! Arghhhhhhh

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6 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

All good summaries above. A decent performance. 
 

Just the effing result and the effing referee!!!! Arghhhhhhh

I agree with your other post, Dave, about the lack of yellow cards as well. Hull were quite sly and the ref failed to control it. 

Also, could you imagine any referee in the entire world giving that penalty for us in a match at, say, Old Trafford or Anfield. The Stretford End or the Kop would laugh and Man Utd or Liverpool would just play on. 

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19 minutes ago, firstdivision said:

I agree with your other post, Dave, about the lack of yellow cards as well. Hull were quite sly and the ref failed to control it. 

Also, could you imagine any referee in the entire world giving that penalty for us in a match at, say, Old Trafford or Anfield. The Stretford End or the Kop would laugh and Man Utd or Liverpool would just play on. 

On Robins tv, when they showed the behind the goal view, there was no contact, their player just did a comedy dive, and for some weird reason the ref went for it. It was crazy. As was the lack of  yellow cards in the first half. There were some awful tackles. You really want to ask a ref , what on earth he was thinking. It was such a poor performance from the ref, but not even in marginal decisions, these were blatantly obvious. I have to doubt the integrity of the man, it was that far off a professional performance.

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2 hours ago, JoeAman08 said:

I saw it basically same as OP. Dasilva wasn’t as sharp as he looked pre season. They also seemed to target him. If in trouble the ball was long and high in his direction.
 

Williams was my pick of the two in midfield but both did well. Scott was classy at times. Needs to affect games more than he did today though. 
 

Weimann was terrific. Conway has something about him just needs more minutes. Martin was fine. Thought first half pretty good. Much less effective second half imo. Thought we could have used more pace and movement. For me, while he did not do much wrong, he limits how we play out and press. 
 

The back 3 were pretty good. Some rust from both the wider players. Naismith outstanding even if he gave away “the pen”

It’s quite concerning that we played well and lost against a side who people perceive to be average. How are we going to fare against more fancied sides?

 

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9 hours ago, JoeAman08 said:

I saw it basically same as OP. Dasilva wasn’t as sharp as he looked pre season. They also seemed to target him. If in trouble the ball was long and high in his direction.
 

Williams was my pick of the two in midfield but both did well. Scott was classy at times. Needs to affect games more than he did today though. 
 

Weimann was terrific. Conway has something about him just needs more minutes. Martin was fine. Thought first half pretty good. Much less effective second half imo. Thought we could have used more pace and movement. For me, while he did not do much wrong, he limits how we play out and press. 
 

The back 3 were pretty good. Some rust from both the wider players. Naismith outstanding even if he gave away “the pen”

Totally agree. Martin contributed 1st half, but 2nd half was a bystander most of the time and as you say limits how we play out and press. So much rather have Conway playing instead of him.

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9 hours ago, City1970 said:

It’s quite concerning that we played well and lost against a side who people perceive to be average. How are we going to fare against more fancied sides?

 

They were much better than I thought they would be. I think the perception about them may be off. It is possible we look back at this loss thinking there is no shame in it. They were not amazing but considering it is a lot of new players from outside england, they were alright. Don’t think that is a bad side by the end of the season. 

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12 hours ago, Olé said:

City started the 22/23 season with stability and continuity - a largely familiar team and developing identity - and yet fell victims to the complete opposite extreme of ridiculous and unpredictable freakery as a clearly new and hastily assembled Hull side claimed an improbable comeback win through a bizarre penalty and then wild late deflected winner.

The new look hosts lacked fluidity and were every inch the thrown together strangers the transfer window suggested - City in control and comfortable heading into half time with a 1-0 lead following a one sided half - but in a ridiculous final 20 Teteh blagged a bizarre penalty after doing a forward roll in the box, then Seri spooned in an injury time decider.

Nigel Pearson's side settled instantly and so took control of the game from the start. In 4 minutes debutant Mark Sykes bamboozled his marker and got clear on the right wing to cross for Matty James to nod down beyond keeper Ingram who managed to desperately push the header away beyond the far post as a bumper crowd enjoyed a lively opening.

A minute later and another Sykes right wing cross following good work by Weimann and Williams found Martin arriving far post only to flash his header just over the top corner. It wasn't until well past the quarter hour that Hull found any momentum - and two shouts for a penalty, the second seemingly clear as Zak Vyner pushed over his man in the box.

Hull enjoyed a series of right wing corners at the midway point in the half but City stayed well organised and before half hour went in front from a spell of possession on the left. Alex Scott was fouled just and debutant Kal Naismith floated a deep ball beyond the far post which Vyner stretched to steer across goal, Andi Weimann roaring in to stab home.

Hull's best chance came 10 before half time as a quick reverse by Seri weaved the ball through defenders to put Estupinan clear but Dan Bentley raced out to smother the close range shot. In injury time Weimann raced back to rob a man in space, Naismith turned over a dangerous header across goal, and City repelled pinball in the box from a final corner.

In truth the hosts were more effective after the break but they really couldn’t have been much worse. After a wayward Sykes long range effort and a brief fast paced crossfield City break  wasted by Williams, Hull grew in confidence as Jones was put away in behind DaSilva and cut inside to lay it back for Tufan to smash onto the near post at the edge of the box.

By now Hull were finding space behind both of City’s wing backs but wasting good opportunities by lifting balls into the home crowd. The visitors looked for a reboot as Kane Wilson and Tommy Conway entered to replace Sykes and Scott - and won back possession high up, Conway getting to the byline to feed across goal where Ingram stopped Martin turning in.

Both subs looked assured right away and at the three-quarter mark Wilson’s throw in saw an exchange which Conway raced away with, striding into the box to lash inches over as the away end held its breath. So a sucker punch at the other end as a break down the right found Teteh in the middle who under little pressure tumbled comically and yet won a penalty.

Tufan stepped up and sent Bentley the right way - to the stoppers’ right - but finished unerringly into the far corner without a glove on the shot.  To compound the sense of frustration for the suddenly silenced travelling fans, in contrast to the ridiculous spot kick, at the other end Rob Atkinson was mauled down from a Naismith right wing corner with no award.

In the final exchanges City looked good for a winner - Conway was found on the right and a half clearance saw Weimann feed DaSilva’s run, the wingback dropping a shoulder, slipping inside a defender and slamming a shot past the keeper but just past the post. Then Wilson strode out of midfield and laid off to Conway who rolled defenders but saw a shot blocked.

Into injury time and the impressive Wilson got to the byline easily before cutting back and instead of crossing as he had done several times in the prior minutes, slipped a clever, disguised low ball into the path of Weimann sprinting in at the near post, who spun quickly and stung the keepers hands at close range. Somehow City would not get the win they deserved.

But then the ultimate sucker punch - to compound the ridiculous equaliser, a comical winner deep in injury time for the disjointed hosts. A throw in deep on the left was hooked speculatively into the middle where Seri swung a pot shot from the edge of the box which collided with late sub Tim Klose’s diving block and spooned in an arc  into Bentley’s opposite corner.

A big home following buoyed by new owners roared their approval, but in truth this was a comical conclusion to City’s season opener. Pearson’s men showed everything even their most optimistic fans expected of them - a settled side with more identity, energy and control than their opponents - and yet fate contrived to instead reward the patched together hosts.

 

Bentley 7 Did brilliantly to stop Estupinan first half, couldn't do much more on the goals

Naismith 8 Looks classy at the back and playing it forward - a wand of a ball for the opener

Vyner 7 Easy to expect the worst but competent throughout, free of mistakes, and an assist

Atkinson 6 More adventurous down the left than he has been but caught in possession a few times

Sykes 7 A revelation early on, gave us width and crossing, a vital outlet for us, then picked up a knock

DaSilva 5 Our weak link, too easily exposed in behind at wing back, and sketchy crossing going forward

Williams 7 Helped us play through Hull with ease first half, and threw himself at every Hull opportunity

James 6 Tidy and effective but seemed to be increasingly bypassed during the second period

Scott 7 Looked comfortable on the ball whenever he got it but faded second half before substitution

Weimann 8 An inspiration - ghosted in at one end to score, at the other end to stop a goal. Everywhere.

Martin 6 Led the line well and important role, but felt like the odd opportunity to flick on was wasted

 

Wilson 7 Looked seriously classy after coming on, had the beating of his man at every single opportunity

Conway 7 Did not look out of place getting the shout before Wells - went close and never stopped running

Klose 5 Only on for a few minutes and the most unfortunate deflection from his full blooded block

And this is one reason why there should be VAR in the Championship, looked at it several times,never a penalty, clearly bought the ref, should have been booked for diving,

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Thanks @Olé

It was definitely a game of two halfs (to use the old cliche) for Hull. They we’re shocking first half. Credit to their manager: he got them doing some fairly straightforward things better second half - for example just do everything they’d been doing but 20 yards further up the pitch - that made them much more effective.

Hard to judge some of our players as a result. Naismith looked majestic first half, but I wonder if some of that was simply the time he was given. He seems to be taking most of our set pieces too, which is understandable but I worry will lead to him being caught out of position on the break.

Sykes looked great going forward but defensively a worry. I don’t know whether the Atkinson/Klose change was ‘tactical’ or an injury (Atkinson had endured some awful challenges) but if it was the former that was an odd time to change the back 3. 

The two things I’ve read about pre season in terms of EFL instructions to officials have been a) clamp down on cheating and b) allow greater physical contact. Have to say that if yesterday demonstrated those in action then gawd help us. Hard to imagine more blatant cheating than their pen. Not only did he get away with it unpunished but he benefitted from it. And if lenience over physical contact means allowing a player (Sykes) to be literally kicked out of the game then we need to change our tactics significantly and practice kicking opponents rather than the ball. 

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13 hours ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

It’s strange how you see performances different to others. I thought Dasilva played well and we were caught as much down the right if not more. Vyner was much improved but still showed his usual frailties. Thought Scott was scarcely involved during the time he was on. 

Thats more or less how I saw it.

Scott was anonymous (going to get these games from a young player), Dasilva had a very good game, and Vyner was solid and his distribution was much improved.

I thought Wilson struggled a bit when he came on tbh.

Naismith showed his relative inexperience as a CB a few times but his distribution was very good.

I thought James had a great game, getting forward and getting a couple of shots and a header that would have gone in on another day. Conway gave us some movement and pace up front and maybe played himself into contention for a start against Sunderland at the expense of Martin.

Disappointing result, and a bit deja vu from seasons past, but we played well in parts against a disjointed Hull who grew into the game and there were positives. Hull have some very good players, I don't expect them to be at the wrong end of the table once they have a settled team.

Less said of the officials, especially the referee, the better.

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2 hours ago, Red-Al said:

And this is one reason why there should be VAR in the Championship, looked at it several times,never a penalty, clearly bought the ref, should have been booked for diving,

VAR is awful. Barely reduces the errors and takes ages. Take the rough with the smooth.  Hull should have had a penalty first half but nobody is talking about that. 

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11 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Thats more or less how I saw it.

Scott was anonymous (going to get these games from a young player), Dasilva had a very good game, and Vyner was solid and his distribution was much improved.

I thought Wilson struggled a bit when he came on tbh.

Naismith showed his relative inexperience as a CB a few times but his distribution was very good.

I thought James had a great game, getting forward and getting a couple of shots and a header that would have gone in on another day. Conway gave us some movement and pace up front and maybe played himself into contention for a start against Sunderland at the expense of Martin.

Disappointing result, and a bit deja vu from seasons past, but we played well in parts against a disjointed Hull who grew into the game and there were positives. Hull have some very good players, I don't expect them to be at the wrong end of the table once they have a settled team.

Less said of the officials, especially the referee, the better.

Scott was anonymous as we were playing long passes into the channel and he was playing centrally. He came into it a bit more when we decided to pass the ball better. 

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48 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

VAR is awful. Barely reduces the errors and takes ages. Take the rough with the smooth.  Hull should have had a penalty first half but nobody is talking about that. 

What are you a HULL supporter, VAR would have proved no contact, simulation,

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2 minutes ago, Red-Al said:

What are you a HULL supporter, VAR would have proved no contact, simulation,

No mate. I’m just not an angry tribal fan who can’t see the full picture. I can also judge referring decisions impartially despite only supporting one of the teams playing. VAR would have proven no contact but it would have also given a penalty in the first half to Hull. VAR has ruined premier league football.  Thankfully it hasn’t yet had a chance to ruin EFL football 

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7 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

No mate. I’m just not an angry tribal fan who can’t see the full picture. I can also judge referring decisions impartially despite only supporting one of the teams playing. VAR would have proven no contact but it would have also given a penalty in the first half to Hull. VAR has ruined premier league football.  Thankfully it hasn’t yet had a chance to ruin EFL football 

You also conveniently missed Atkinson should have been given a penalty

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25 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

No mate. I’m just not an angry tribal fan who can’t see the full picture. I can also judge referring decisions impartially despite only supporting one of the teams playing. VAR would have proven no contact but it would have also given a penalty in the first half to Hull. VAR has ruined premier league football.  Thankfully it hasn’t yet had a chance to ruin EFL football 

Trouble with VAR is what we think is a penalty always isn’t given if they think it wasn’t an obvious error. Even though it might be a penalty any doubt VAR will not over turn it.

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26 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

No mate. I’m just not an angry tribal fan who can’t see the full picture. I can also judge referring decisions impartially despite only supporting one of the teams playing. VAR would have proven no contact but it would have also given a penalty in the first half to Hull. VAR has ruined premier league football.  Thankfully it hasn’t yet had a chance to ruin EFL football 

Your the only one to say this,not even RB commentary mentioned a pen in the first half, which makes me think your a more Hull city fan, but VAR is needed in the Championship, no doubt,

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1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

VAR is awful. Barely reduces the errors and takes ages. Take the rough with the smooth.  Hull should have had a penalty first half but nobody is talking about that. 

 

3 minutes ago, Red-Al said:

Your the only one to say this,not even RB commentary mentioned a pen in the first half, which makes me think your a more Hull city fan, but VAR is needed in the Championship, no doubt,

Hull did have a definite shout for a pen first half. I said at the time I’d have shouted for it if the other way round. 

But the difference is I wouldn’t have shouted for it with a huge amount of conviction. Whereas I’m 100% convinced that theirs wasn’t a penalty. 

Im still not sure I’d want VAR though. 

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10 minutes ago, Red-Al said:

Your the only one to say this,not even RB commentary mentioned a pen in the first half, which makes me think your a more Hull city fan, but VAR is needed in the Championship, no doubt,

Read the match day thread mate. Some people on there for starters.  

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43 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

No mate. I’m just not an angry tribal fan who can’t see the full picture. I can also judge referring decisions impartially despite only supporting one of the teams playing. VAR would have proven no contact but it would have also given a penalty in the first half to Hull. VAR has ruined premier league football.  Thankfully it hasn’t yet had a chance to ruin EFL football ......

.....they just leave it to the refs to do that! :) 

Seriously, while the first half penalty decision could go either way, no matter how you look at the second half penalty you cannot see how any ref could give it. You could defend a ref who had a poor or distorted view, but yesterday's ref could not have seen it more clearly - the Hull player even helped by giving a slow motion replay - in real time!

 

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EFL Guidance this season 

Threshold on the pitch:

Contact is an acceptable part of football, and contact alone does not mean there is a foul. The  preference is not to penalise minimal contact. Match officials will consider the consequence of contact, action of defender and the motivation of the attacking player when deciding whether a challenge should be penalised.

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32 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

He's being contrary, it's what he does.

Not at all. I’m highlighting how fickle football fans can be.  It was never a penalty but he didn’t give one that a lot of people at the time seemed to think was a penalty. On here and on twitter.  Sometimes I will shine a light on another view and another way of thinking. That’s not being contrary.  If we all saw everything the same way then it would be a boring forum. I was accused of being contrary when I said the Wells signing wouldn’t work out, when I said I didn’t want Palmer.  Big money wasted on those two.  I also liked Taylor Moore and backed him to make it here along with COD so I certainly don’t get everything correct but to be called contrary for having a different view on a subject is a bit pathetic really. 

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3 minutes ago, downendcity said:

.....they just leave it to the refs to do that! :) 

Seriously, while the first half penalty decision could go either way, no matter how you look at the second half penalty you cannot see how any ref could give it. You could defend a ref who had a poor or distorted view, but yesterday's ref could not have seen it more clearly - the Hull player even helped by giving a slow motion replay - in real time!

 

Yes it was never a penalty. I just think when a fan can make peace with the fact we will get decisions for you that are incorrect and against you that are incorrect then it’s probably a better mindset than anger. The ‘all refs hate Bristol City’ brigade are paranoid. 

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