Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 38 minutes ago, Lew-T said: Well each to their own. You obviously see clubs size of how many fans turn up… I look at trophies. 1) If you’re just going to base size of club on Trophies then we’re lagging behind Wigan Athletic. 2) Sunderland have won quite a few trophies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 41 minutes ago, Lew-T said: Well each to their own. You obviously see clubs size of how many fans turn up… I look at trophies. You aint got a clue son..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 31,000 turned up to see Derby v Oxford yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, archie andrews said: You aint got a clue son..... Last honour won was in 1973… League titles in the 1800’s when there were about 10 clubs and played in parks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 16 minutes ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said: 1) If you’re just going to base size of club on Trophies then we’re lagging behind Wigan Athletic. 2) Sunderland have won quite a few trophies. Yeah, we’re not big at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Lew-T said: Yeah, we’re not big at all. I think you are confusing big with successful Sunderland are the biggest club in the EFL by a long way and we are bigger than recent trophy winners such as Wigan Blackburn Swansea in my opinion as we have more fans despite their success Edited July 31, 2022 by cidercity1987 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 minute ago, cidercity1987 said: I think you are confusing big with successful Sunderland are the biggest club in the EFL by a long way and we are bigger than recent trophy winners such as Wigan Blackburn Swansea in my opinion as we have more fans despite their success We’re bigger than Blackburn? Come on now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Lew-T said: Well each to their own. You obviously see clubs size of how many fans turn up… I look at trophies. Any trophies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WessexPest Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 Community-centered club supported by local people in an economically depressed town, giving the residents an outlet to forget the stresses of life. That’s what football’s ethos is, not winning trophies or being a “big club”. If that means playing friendlies in Asia and Australia then the plastics who follow the “Big Six” are welcome to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 9 minutes ago, Lew-T said: Yeah, we’re not big at all. I know. Would you say Wigan are ‘bigger’ than us though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WessexPest Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 Just now, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said: I know. Would you say Wigan are ‘bigger’ than us though? Interested to see what his reply is. I remember when Wigan played in front of one man and his dog at the worst ground in the league. Artificially propelled up the divisions by a sugar daddy. Football takes a massive back seat to rugby league in that part of the world. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Lew-T said: We’re bigger than Blackburn? Come on now. Well we have more fans. If they are bigger why do they get about 12k or 13k through the door? Because they are small but have been successful historically, clearly 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Lew-T said: Well each to their own. You obviously see clubs size of how many fans turn up… I look at trophies. Without wanting to sound rude but if you think getting 40 k at home doesn’t equate to you being a big well supported club than you are some what very deluded. Don’t confuse successful clubs with big clubs. Any football club that can pull 40 k through the door in the second tier is a big big club. Not many clubs in the world that play second tier football can do that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 9 minutes ago, bris red said: Without wanting to sound rude but if you think getting 40 k at home doesn’t equate to you being a big well supported club than you are some what very deluded. Don’t confuse successful clubs with big clubs. Any football club that can pull 40 k through the door in the second tier is a big big club. Not many clubs in the world that play second tier football can do that. Why are we obsessed with attendances and the size of a fan base? I didn’t say Sunderland aren’t a ‘big well supported club’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Lew-T said: Why are we obsessed with attendances and the size of a fan base? I didn’t say Sunderland aren’t a ‘big well supported club’. So they are a big club now then? Make up your mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 16 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Well we have more fans. If they are bigger why do they get about 12k or 13k through the door? Because they are small but have been successful historically, clearly Because they have big cities like Manchester and Liverpool on their doorstep, and then you have the likes of Bolton, Burnley, Preston etc. Again the obsession of having more fans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 Just now, Lew-T said: Because they have big cities like Manchester and Liverpool on their doorstep, and then you have the likes of Bolton, Burnley, Preston etc. Again the obsession of having more fans? Yes they have a smaller fanbase mainly because they are from a smaller town and therefore are a smaller club Obsession with more fans? Bigger fanbase bigger club, very simple to me. Trophies win you fans and if you still have barely any fans how can you be a big club. Sunderland are probably the most underrated big club, very far from a myth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WessexPest Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, Lew-T said: Because they have big cities like Manchester and Liverpool on their doorstep, and then you have the likes of Bolton, Burnley, Preston etc. Again the obsession of having more fans? They didn’t have any problem filling Ewood during the Shearer and Sutton era - where have all those loyal fans disappeared to? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 minute ago, bris red said: So they are a big club now then? Make up your mind What? You said ‘big well supported club’ which meant to me they have big support, which they do. But honours wise? Nah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Lew-T said: But honours wise? Nah. They’ve been League Champions 6 times and won the FA Cup at least twice. They get 40k at home today when the population of Sunderland is only 170k. I’d say there’s no doubt they’re a huge club…historically, honours won and fanbase. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 I think its obvious people see the 'big club' tag differently but for me how big a club is calculates to a few things: 1. Fanbase size - Home and Away attendances. 2. Infrastructure - Stadium , facilities etc 3. History - Achievements, league positions etc. Each of these tend to affect the other somewhat and Sunderland compared to the rest of the EFL is right up there with Sheff Wed, Ipswich etc. Any club who gets 30 odd in league 1 after being there for four seasons is big! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 9 minutes ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said: They’ve been League Champions 6 times and won the FA Cup at least twice. They get 40k at home today when the population of Sunderland is only 170k. I’d say there’s no doubt they’re a huge club…historically, honours won and fanbase. Huddersfield won the league 3 times on the bounce in the 1920s. Preston and Bolton very successful in the era that Sunderland won those titles which was over a century ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Lew-T said: Huddersfield won the league 3 times on the bounce in the 1920s. Preston and Bolton very successful in the era that Sunderland won those titles which was over a century ago. Huddersfield Preston and Bolton do not get 40k fans though do they!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Huddersfield Preston and Bolton do not get 40k fans though do they!! But nobody says they are huge or massive but yet, have similar honours. Which in my opinion what makes a club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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