1960maaan Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Few things with this report. We have had threats of action before, but I haven't seen any Prem side criticised or threatened with action . Is it just a clamp down in the EFL, or have I missed It ? As for the rest of the article, it's worse than the Bristol version. Lots of talk of "anti social behaviour " without one instance or any explanation of what happened. Pathetic Journalism . As for City giving someone a 3 year ban, ridiculously over the top IMO. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hull-city-anti-social-behaviour-7412672?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lanterne Rouge Posted August 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2022 There was a big thing a week or two back about clubs coming down hard on this following the problems at the end of last season. They are being made an example of but, it begs the question of, given all the publicity, how much of a bellend must he be to do it? 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2022/jul/25/fans-bans-pitch-invasions-and-pyrotechnics-in-football-crackdown-drug-use-premier-league-efl Yes new crackdown on it. See above https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/football-fan-required-urgent-medical-24631581.amp For reasons like the above 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 I have noticed you tend to see them a lot with us. Home or away! I personally don’t mind, but others will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 2, 2022 Admin Share Posted August 2, 2022 30 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: Few things with this report. We have had threats of action before, but I haven't seen any Prem side criticised or threatened with action . Is it just a clamp down in the EFL, or have I missed It ? As for the rest of the article, it's worse than the Bristol version. Lots of talk of "anti social behaviour " without one instance or any explanation of what happened. Pathetic Journalism . As for City giving someone a 3 year ban, ridiculously over the top IMO. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hull-city-anti-social-behaviour-7412672?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar You must have missed the announcement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNasty Filth Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 F1 Austria made me laugh!! Complete hypocrisy in this world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, jaydee=inspiration said: F1 Austria made me laugh!! Complete hypocrisy in this world. Are flares banned at the Austrian GP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 You wanna take a look at Rangers last weekend, the worlds gone mad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) Swing your pants! https://youtu.be/b1gBT2XELjI Edited August 2, 2022 by exAtyeoMax 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 minute ago, exAtyeoMax said: Swing your pants! https://youtu.be/b1gBT2XELjI They'll be clamping down on duvets next. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewisdabaron Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 The words “No pyro no party” are on the tshirts being sold at the 3 lions on flag day. Using them is ok as long as theyre not in a football ground? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 3 years for setting off a small amount of smoke. Love this game me. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: 3 years for setting off a small amount of smoke. Love this game me. Hello Mr Warnock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 An incident at Rochdale as well on Saturday I noticed https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62275052 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 3 years for a smoke bomb This club would have a mental breakdown if it ever had to play anywhere else in Europe . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, 1960maaan said: Few things with this report. We have had threats of action before, but I haven't seen any Prem side criticised or threatened with action . Is it just a clamp down in the EFL, or have I missed It ? As for the rest of the article, it's worse than the Bristol version. Lots of talk of "anti social behaviour " without one instance or any explanation of what happened. Pathetic Journalism . As for City giving someone a 3 year ban, ridiculously over the top IMO. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hull-city-anti-social-behaviour-7412672?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar Absurd over reaction? But yet again it is more about money, than any concern about protecting individuals welfare? City know that they will be hit with financial penalties if they allow it to continue.....so they feign concern...but really it's all about protecting their bank balance. Bundesliga clubs paid out over a million quid in fines last season .............for flares at certain matches. There is a market out there for anyone coming up with a harmless coloured flare equivalent......but even then the PC brigade will almost certainly find a way to outlaw it?? 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, 1960maaan said: Few things with this report. We have had threats of action before, but I haven't seen any Prem side criticised or threatened with action . Is it just a clamp down in the EFL, or have I missed It ? As for the rest of the article, it's worse than the Bristol version. Lots of talk of "anti social behaviour " without one instance or any explanation of what happened. Pathetic Journalism . As for City giving someone a 3 year ban, ridiculously over the top IMO. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hull-city-anti-social-behaviour-7412672?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar Mental. It seems the powers that be are determined to drain every last bit of atmosphere left on a matchday out of football in this country. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 minute ago, maxjak said: Absurd over reaction? But yet again it is more about money, than any concern about protecting individuals welfare? City know that they will be hit with financial penalties if they allow it to continue.....so they feign concern...but really it's all about protecting their bank balance. Bundesliga clubs paid out over a million quid in fines last season .............for flares at certain matches. There is a market out there for anyone coming up with a harmless coloured flare equivalent......but even then the PC brigade will almost certainly find a way to outlaw it?? Would that be the bank account will millions in it, or the account overdrawn by tens of millions? We all know they are banned, so why bring them. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Just now, Bristol Rob said: Would that be the bank account will millions in it, or the account overdrawn by tens of millions? We all know they are banned, so why bring them. I am at a loss to understand your reference to overdrawn bank accounts.?.........However i am not advocating their use.in their present form..........i just think a 3 year ban is an over reaction, a fine and a 6 month ban would maybe be appropriate IMHO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, maxjak said: I am at a loss to understand your reference to overdrawn bank accounts.?.........However i am not advocating their use.in their present form..........i just think a 3 year ban is an over reaction, a fine and a 6 month ban would maybe be appropriate IMHO You said... City know that they will be hit with financial penalties if they allow it to continue.....so they feign concern...but really it's all about protecting their bank balance. And I am pointing out the club don't have spare cash to waste or needless fines and expenses. Didn't think it was that difficult to work out. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) Well they had been warned. No sympathy. Edited August 2, 2022 by Super 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RoystonFoote'snephew Posted August 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2022 A 3 year banning order is what can be expected of anyone convicted in court of setting off a pyrotechnic during a football match and City have pre-empted that. Yet again though we have this pointless debate about the setting off of smoke bombs and pyros in stadiums. The fact is its not allowed... Period. You break the rules and get caught you get punished and have to suffer the consequences. 31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 25 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: You said... City know that they will be hit with financial penalties if they allow it to continue.....so they feign concern...but really it's all about protecting their bank balance. And I am pointing out the club don't have spare cash to waste or needless fines and expenses. Didn't think it was that difficult to work out. Yep i get it........but as I said, they are protecting their bank balance and avoiding financial penalties.......at no stage did i advise them to take a different agenda? I pointed out that they are protecting their finances? So what you have referred to is completely redundant ........as we are both on the same page? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 I really wish they would delete the "Confused" logo response, as it means **** All, and is pointless?.....Sad and Hmm! ...are fair enough, but "Confused" is just a cop out, and similar to Bart's "Doh!". If you don't get it, then respond accordingly? , but i suspect it is probably just forum members who are either too lazy or just incapable of articulating a point of view, who mainly use it?........I now await a whole bunch of hilarious "Confused" responses to my post? Ha!! 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 minute ago, maxjak said: I really wish they would delete the "Confused" logo response, as it means **** All, and is pointless?.....Sad and Hmm! ...are fair enough, but "Confused" is just a cop out, and similar to Bart's "Doh!". If you don't get it, then respond accordingly? , but i suspect it is probably just forum members who are either too lazy or just incapable of articulating a point of view, who mainly use it?........I now await a whole bunch of hilarious "Confused" responses to my post? Ha!! I am confused as I have no idea what you are talking about on this thread. Perfect Emoji really 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Super said: I am confused as I have no idea what you are talking about on this thread. Perfect Emoji really Why? I am now confused by your reponse? Is it satirical or ironic?....Doh! Edited August 2, 2022 by maxjak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Super said: Well they had been warned. No sympathy. I look at the internet all the time and had no idea about this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNasty Filth Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Bristol Rob said: Are flares banned at the Austrian GP? Can't imagine so, the place would've been bloody empty otherwise hahaa! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBibs Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 I was there Saturday and would certainly say the atmosphere was ‘lively’ but there was no real threat of violence. I was surprised at the number of police there. Police and stewards summed to take quite a relaxed approach, as there were quite a few ‘missiles’ going back and forth - I think it was mainly food. The City fan with the flare was hardly discreet, so I can only think he wouldn’t have known what the likely punishment would be, not that I understand how fans smuggle them in, with nearly everyone being patted down on entry. The closest to any real trouble I saw was one of our fans trying to steam into the Hull fans on his own at full time, but luckily one of his mates seemed to manage to get to him before the police did and carry him out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedred31 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 I’ve never understood the equation between flares and ‘atmosphere’. To me atmosphere is shouting, chanting, singing- with shirts, scarves, banners and flags. Jumping up and down. How blinding/choking your fellow fans with a nautical distress signal improves atmosphere is just lost on me. 7 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 youd get a life ban for throttling someone so 3 years is getting off light really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 3 hours ago, Ronnie Sinclair said: An incident at Rochdale as well on Saturday I noticed https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62275052 But, but, but.... 'no pyro no party' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 31 minutes ago, Bedred31 said: I’ve never understood the equation between flares and ‘atmosphere’. To me atmosphere is shouting, chanting, singing- with shirts, scarves, banners and flags. Jumping up and down. How blinding/choking your fellow fans with a nautical distress signal improves atmosphere is just lost on me. It's just a different way to add something I think, I'm sure there are people out there that think the same about flags and banners getting in the way of there view and not adding to the atmosphere. I've never used one at a football game, I do like them though - I really like that acrid smell. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 I read the thread title and thought it was something to do with the fashion police. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, maxjak said: I really wish they would delete the "Confused" logo response, as it means **** All, and is pointless?.....Sad and Hmm! ...are fair enough, but "Confused" is just a cop out, and similar to Bart's "Doh!". If you don't get it, then respond accordingly? , but i suspect it is probably just forum members who are either too lazy or just incapable of articulating a point of view, who mainly use it?........I now await a whole bunch of hilarious "Confused" responses to my post? Ha!! OK. Edited August 2, 2022 by maxjak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 9 hours ago, Rob k said: I look at the internet all the time and had no idea about this Me too. All I seem to get is naked women. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 8 hours ago, Davefevs said: I read the thread title and thought it was something to do with the fashion police. do they have geordie perms up that way too?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Pezo said: It's just a different way to add something I think, I'm sure there are people out there that think the same about flags and banners getting in the way of there view and not adding to the atmosphere. I've never used one at a football game, I do like them though - I really like that acrid smell. The main issue is it affects some people breathing and can be dangerous if thrown. Surely that's enough. Edited August 3, 2022 by Super 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTeamInBristol Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 In the England U21 game against Poland a few years back at the Gate the whole Atyeo stand was covered in red smoke from essentially a bonfire within the Poland fans. Same sport, same stadium so why were they allowed then? Unless someone thinks they managed to smuggle in that amount of flares! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 (edited) It's really not hard to understand is it? It's nothing to do with the FA or EFL....and comparisons to Germany etc are irrelevant. The use of any type of pyro at football grounds is against the law set in this country. "Being in possession of a pyrotechnic device at a football match, or attempting to bring a pyrotechnic device into a football stadium, is a criminal offence under the Sporting Events (Control of Alcohol etc) Act 1985." With unrest creeping back into stands towards the end of last season it's hardly any surprise that a clampdown of this is being carried out. If City are seen to turn a blind eye to it, then they're condoning criminal activity, so of course they need to clamp down. After all the noise about this over the last few years I am staggered that people still have an issue understanding this! It's either ignorance or blind stupidity, surely? Edited August 3, 2022 by Steve Watts 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 29 minutes ago, Steve Watts said: It's really not hard to understand is it? It's nothing to do with the FA or EFL....and comparisons to Germany etc are irrelevant. The use of any type of pyro at football grounds is against the law set in this country. "Being in possession of a pyrotechnic device at a football match, or attempting to bring a pyrotechnic device into a football stadium, is a criminal offence under the Sporting Events (Control of Alcohol etc) Act 1985." With unrest creeping back into stands towards the end of last season it's hardly any surprise that a clampdown of this is being carried out. If City are seen to turn a blind eye to it, then they're condoning criminal activity, so of course they need to clamp down. After all the noise about this over the last few years I am staggered that people still have an issue understanding this! It's either ignorance or blind stupidity, surely? But But they add to the atmosphere......... What nonsense, I can see the appeal for a child but grown men ffs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galley is our king Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 13 hours ago, bris red said: Mental. It seems the powers that be are determined to drain every last bit of atmosphere left on a matchday out of football in this country. Sorry, must disagree with this. Atmosphere is caused by people, supporters. Back in the 70's and 80's there were no loud music blaring, no bloke on a mic, no need for outside intervention at all. We started chanting from about 2 o'clock so by 2-45, the place was rocking ( well the East end was). Pyrotechnics in a crowd is just bonkers and wrong and I'm surprised that anyone thinks differently. They are dangerous to those who set them off and those close to them. If it continues then a more robust searching mechanism needs to be introduced. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gornagain Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 Anyone notice a poorer atmosphere when chucking toilet rolls went out of fashion? (I initially typed poorer without the first "r" which would have changed the message somewhat.) 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 13 hours ago, maxjak said: I really wish they would delete the "Confused" logo response, as it means **** All, and is pointless?.....Sad and Hmm! ...are fair enough, but "Confused" is just a cop out, and similar to Bart's "Doh!". If you don't get it, then respond accordingly? , but i suspect it is probably just forum members who are either too lazy or just incapable of articulating a point of view, who mainly use it?........I now await a whole bunch of hilarious "Confused" responses to my post? Ha!! Confused, because what the **** has banning flares at football matches got to do with "political correctness"? Nothing whatsoever to do with "PC" apart from the fact that PC Plod will nick you if you did that. Nothing whatsoever to do with politics at all. The clampdown on pyrotechnics was widely announced, so you've got to be half-daft if you bring one along to a match. We can debate whether such draconian measures are "health & safety gone mad" (which is a completely different thing to 'PC') and that is being done on this thread. My personal opinion would be if they do present such a danger to supporters with breathing problems then fair enough, keep 'em out of the stands, but it would be nice if there was a means by which coloured smoke might be safely generated at critical times. It does add to the atmosphere a lot more than twirling your scarf around yer head! Anyway, hope the first line helps you not be confused as to why confused emojis appeared. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galley is our king Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 19 minutes ago, billywedlock said: In Italy the ultras tend to be lead by someone with a megaphone, running through a rota of songs. Many have the same tune/music as English songs . German grounds tend to really rock too. Until we move our singing fans back to behind the goal we are always going to be lopsided, it just looks weird having a corner of singing fans. Anyway, maybe there is something on this website we could use/adapt https://www.fanchants.com/country/italy/ They have quite a few flares too... Sorry, the singing section cannot be moved behind the goal, nor could it have been planned there in the first place! People standing in a certain block next to people sitting in other blocks totally destroys their view. A large proportion of the pitch is lost and cannot be seen. The old East end worked because everyone was stood! Not only that but what about current season ticket holders behind the goal? Having the singing section in the corner doesn't seem to dampen the atmosphere at Crystal Palace does it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTeamInBristol Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, Galley is our king said: Sorry, the singing section cannot be moved behind the goal, nor could it have been planned there in the first place! People standing in a certain block next to people sitting in other blocks totally destroys their view. A large proportion of the pitch is lost and cannot be seen. The old East end worked because everyone was stood! Not only that but what about current season ticket holders behind the goal? Having the singing section in the corner doesn't seem to dampen the atmosphere at Crystal Palace does it? No because they have home fans behind both goals. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galley is our king Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, OneTeamInBristol said: No because they have home fans behind both goals. Ah, well, that's a totally different argument! Simply, we should have the same with the away supporters going in the top tier of the Lansdown. Now that's still doable and i for one would go back in the Atyeo in a heartbeat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 15 hours ago, 1960maaan said: Few things with this report. We have had threats of action before, but I haven't seen any Prem side criticised or threatened with action . Is it just a clamp down in the EFL, or have I missed It ? As for the rest of the article, it's worse than the Bristol version. Lots of talk of "anti social behaviour " without one instance or any explanation of what happened. Pathetic Journalism . As for City giving someone a 3 year ban, ridiculously over the top IMO. Hardly a first, there have been reports of City fans being arrested and banned for letting off flares/smoke bombs for many years now. Numerous threads on the subject on here too, one several years ago indicating City were perhaps more robust than most clubs in it's determination to track down offenders and hence the number having been banned from AG for letting off smoke bombs was amongst the highest in the country, already in double figures at that time. It's continued unabated since then with regular reports of fans being arrested, prosecuted, and banned so you'd imagine the total over the years must be well into the 20's by now. Of course it's a rolling figure as most fans will have been been allowed to return to AG after their 3 year bans expired, albeit with a criminal record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciderhead433 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 42 minutes ago, gornagain said: Anyone notice a poorer atmosphere when chucking toilet rolls went out of fashion? (I initially typed poorer without the first "r" which would have changed the message somewhat.) Used to get off the bus at the London Inn nick all the rolls from the underground toilets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Galley is our king said: Pyrotechnics in a crowd is just bonkers and wrong and I'm surprised that anyone thinks differently. They are dangerous to those who set them off and those close to them. Back in the 1970’s, at around November time, there used to be an issue with bangers being thrown around the East End, not a pleasant experience! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dullmoan Tone Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 15 hours ago, maxjak said: I really wish they would delete the "Confused" logo response, as it means **** All, and is pointless?.....Sad and Hmm! ...are fair enough, but "Confused" is just a cop out, and similar to Bart's "Doh!". If you don't get it, then respond accordingly? , but i suspect it is probably just forum members who are either too lazy or just incapable of articulating a point of view, who mainly use it?........I now await a whole bunch of hilarious "Confused" responses to my post? Ha!! I like it. I always thought the emoji was a polite way of signalling that the post is complete nonsense! That’s how most use it. Why would anyone even bother trying to win an argument that’s too stupid. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 So just to recap: 1. Supporters know flares are not allowed but do it anyway 2. Flares become sufficiently commonplace that the EFL announces a clampdown where anyone who lets a flare off will be banne 3. A supporter takes a flare in and gets a ban Quite aside from the question of whether flares should or should not be allowed, it seems to be the rules were clear, the consequences were explained and someone who has broken the rules is now facing those consequences. I don’t really see the controversy or understand why we live in a society where so many people seem surprised or outraged when someone who breaks the laws finds there is a price to pay for doing so. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galley is our king Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 41 minutes ago, East End Old Boy said: Back in the 1970’s, at around November time, there used to be an issue with bangers being thrown around the East End, not a pleasant experience! OMG! Forgot all about that, getting old mate Your right, not a pleasant experience!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 4 hours ago, Red-Robbo said: Confused, because what the **** has banning flares at football matches got to do with "political correctness"? Nothing whatsoever to do with "PC" apart from the fact that PC Plod will nick you if you did that. Nothing whatsoever to do with politics at all. The clampdown on pyrotechnics was widely announced, so you've got to be half-daft if you bring one along to a match. We can debate whether such draconian measures are "health & safety gone mad" (which is a completely different thing to 'PC') and that is being done on this thread. My personal opinion would be if they do present such a danger to supporters with breathing problems then fair enough, keep 'em out of the stands, but it would be nice if there was a means by which coloured smoke might be safely generated at critical times. It does add to the atmosphere a lot more than twirling your scarf around yer head! Anyway, hope the first line helps you not be confused as to why confused emojis appeared. Exactly......that is why I made the point that if someone were to come up with a non polluting, harmless version of a coloured flare they would be quids in? With current technology it could happen?...........As i agree with you, that it adds to the spectacle & atmosphere, if it were possible? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 1 minute ago, maxjak said: Exactly......that is why I made the point that if someone were to come up with a non polluting, harmless version of a coloured flare they would be quids in? With current technology it could happen?...........As i agree with you, that it adds to the spectacle & atmosphere, if it were possible? Personally, I'd love to see it. I also think a three-year-ban and criminal record is a tad steep, for what's basically a nuisance misdemeanour. Still, if that's how they're playing it, you'd be daft to risk it. I doubt you get any season ticket money refunded. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1ackbird Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 16 hours ago, Lrrr said: But, but, but.... 'no pyro no party' Oh for simpler times when we all used to pile around Aiden Flints with cocaine and Vodka... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 4 hours ago, Galley is our king said: Sorry, the singing section cannot be moved behind the goal, nor could it have been planned there in the first place! People standing in a certain block next to people sitting in other blocks totally destroys their view. A large proportion of the pitch is lost and cannot be seen. The old East end worked because everyone was stood! Not only that but what about current season ticket holders behind the goal? Having the singing section in the corner doesn't seem to dampen the atmosphere at Crystal Palace does it? Palace almost have that whole end behind the goal not just a poxy little corner like at Ashton gate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 6 hours ago, Super said: The main issue is it affects some people breathing and can be dangerous if thrown. Surely that's enough. Yep fair enough, like I said I've never used one at football and don't intend on it but I do like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 4 hours ago, Ciderhead433 said: Used to get off the bus at the London Inn nick all the rolls from the underground toilets. As well as the loo rolls did you also nick the toilet seats so the police would have nothing to go on......? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 4 hours ago, Ciderhead433 said: Used to get off the bus at the London Inn nick all the rolls from the underground toilets. We used to stock up from the train bogs on the way up from Taunton. Anyone who needed a crap after Bridgwater was in big trouble. Them Izals used to really fly mind - bugger all good for wiping your bum though! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciderhead433 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 13 minutes ago, Steve Watts said: As well as the loo rolls did you also nick the toilet seats so the police would have nothing to go on......? Toilet seat were screwed to the porcelain if i remember right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 5 hours ago, Ciderhead433 said: Used to get off the bus at the London Inn nick all the rolls from the underground toilets. Ha ha! I used to get the train and pinch them from the train toilets on the way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 6 hours ago, Galley is our king said: Sorry, must disagree with this. Atmosphere is caused by people, supporters. Back in the 70's and 80's there were no loud music blaring, no bloke on a mic, no need for outside intervention at all. We started chanting from about 2 o'clock so by 2-45, the place was rocking ( well the East end was). Pyrotechnics in a crowd is just bonkers and wrong and I'm surprised that anyone thinks differently. They are dangerous to those who set them off and those close to them. If it continues then a more robust searching mechanism needs to be introduced. Agreed. I started going to matches regularly in the early 80's. My memory of those days was the great atmosphere, all made by the fans. No pyros needed. You were squashed the Eastend like sardines as they say, all standing of course. You got there early and sang. Many came armed with the obligatory loo roll or had spent the hour or so tearing up the Evening Post into confetti-like pieces. When the teams RAN out, no nice hanshakes back then, it was mayhem and I loved it! Regarding the ban that was issued. I think the club has to be seen to be proactive on this and there certainly had been warnings only days before. I guess their licence issued to hold matches needs them to be upholding the law and preventing where possible these breaches. And yes there was at least one sniffer dog at Hull. Also as I have said before, we seem to have got a reputation for flares/pyros. I have heard this often from stewards and security both home and away. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galley is our king Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Wiltshire robin said: Palace almost have that whole end behind the goal not just a poxy little corner like at Ashton gate Sorry but the South stand IS all City, so is the whole Dolman and Lansdown. Don't understand your point.... Edited August 3, 2022 by Galley is our king Whoops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leader Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 Since the singing section as come into play Ashton gate is not to our advantage anymore at Hull Saturday the noise was fantastic 1 lots behind goal another lot on the side they roared there side on, until they move the lads into the middle of s/s we will lose more than we win 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 Anyone watching the cricket just starting on BBC2, no pyro no party! So much coloured smoke you can't see across the pitch. All fully legal of course, as they have been let off by the organisers. Same effect on anyone with breathing difficulties in the crowd I would imagine? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Galley is our king said: Sorry but the South stand IS all City, so is the whole Dolman and Lansdown. Don't understand your point.... Palace fans pretty much have the whole end behind the goal to stand and make some noise and whilst our louder fans are tucked away in a little corner stopping any decent atmosphere from being creative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 22 hours ago, Rob k said: I look at the internet all the time and had no idea about this Well, I'm not even in Bristol and I saw it mentioned on the internet and I 'm not on the net all the time. I even think it might have been on the OS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 23 minutes ago, EstoniaTallinnRed said: Well, I'm not even in Bristol and I saw it mentioned on the internet and I 'm not on the net all the time. I even think it might have been on the OS. Good for you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted August 3, 2022 Admin Share Posted August 3, 2022 1 hour ago, RedM said: Anyone watching the cricket just starting on BBC2, no pyro no party! So much coloured smoke you can't see across the pitch. All fully legal of course, as they have been let off by the organisers. Same effect on anyone with breathing difficulties in the crowd I would imagine? Yep, plenty of smoke. Personally I like to see flares and smoke at a game, but I get the clubs position if their safety licence is at risk, or if they will be faced with fines and/or other sanctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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