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The Pride marches are always good fun, my wife and I have attended a couple one here in Bristol and one in Norwich when we were over that way. So colourful and a sense of freedom you don't often see.

I am glad Luke had a good time and I hope others will feel they can follow suit.

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17 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

'the Whites defender became the first-ever active English top-flight player to attend a Pride parade'

How on earth do they know that?

 

 

My guess is they mean as part of what I think is the semi-organised march bit, rather than someone just attending? Just poorly worded I think.

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17 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

'the Whites defender became the first-ever active English top-flight player to attend a Pride parade'

How on earth do they know that?

 

 

You do have a point?........I guess it should have read "First ever Media acknowledged top flight player to attend a Pride March"  Well done Luke, keep up the good work.

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37 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Hopefully, he will be remembered for this, rather than a childish incident a few years ago at Cheltenham races.

 

To be fair, it was the MK Dons and Northampton players who were the pissers. Ayling's crime seems to simply have been stood with them. 

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15 minutes ago, maxjak said:

You do have a point?........I guess it should have read "First ever Media acknowledged top flight player to attend a Pride March"  Well done Luke, keep up the good work.

It's poorly worded but think the point they are trying to make is that Ayling is the first ever top flight player to openly march in the parade itself. Other footballers may or may not have attended, or perhaps even marched, but if so they did not feel either able or willing to publicly state they were doing so. 

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Just now, LondonBristolian said:

It's poorly worded but think the point they are trying to make is that Ayling is the first ever top flight player to openly march in the parade itself. Other footballers may or may not have attended, or perhaps even marched, but if so they did not feel either able or willing to publicly state they were doing so. 

And unfortunately some of the replies on social media show why they may not feel comfortable doing so

Luke's always seemed like a decent bloke, the Cheltenham incident was blown out of proportion IMO

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2 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

To be fair, it was the MK Dons and Northampton players who were the pissers. Ayling's crime seems to simply have been stood with them. 

Oh, absolutely, Ayling seemed to be very much on the periphery, just laughing, which made it all the more disappointing to read that this unsavoury event might have been instrumental in him leaving when he did.

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15 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Oh, absolutely, Ayling seemed to be very much on the periphery, just laughing, which made it all the more disappointing to read that this unsavoury event might have been instrumental in him leaving when he did.

 

I think the club rather made a mountain of it because of the publicity,  when in fact it should've pointed out he had done nothing wrong. 

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7 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

I think the club rather made a mountain of it because of the publicity,  when in fact it should've pointed out he had done nothing wrong. 

Given the blanket coverage of the incident in the tabloids, i don’t think the club had much choice.  I don’t think it was ever made clear whether Ayling’s departure was as a direct result of the incident.  After all, other players on ‘that balcony’ remained City players (eg Marlon Pack).

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1 minute ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Given the blanket coverage of the incident in the tabloids, i don’t think the club had much choice.  I don’t think it was ever made clear whether Ayling’s departure was as a direct result of the incident.  After all, other players on ‘that balcony’ remained City players (eg Marlon Pack).

 I think Luke was rather unfairly singled out as a result of one picture showing him putting an arm around Carruthers (sp?) and laughing.  It's not clear if this was about the peeing or, indeed, whether he was even aware of it. The players were relatively guarded about it, had they not been caught by a pap with a long-lens, no one would have been the wiser. 

I'd hope the incident didn't hasten Ayling's departure and the club treated him tolerantly, given he was not the miscreant there. We could all see his quality when he was here, plus he was a developing player, he was destined to become something pretty special. 

 

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3 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

The Pride marches are always good fun, my wife and I have attended a couple one here in Bristol and one in Norwich when we were over that way. So colourful and a sense of freedom you don't often see.

I am glad Luke had a good time and I hope others will feel they can follow suit.

Why does this make you sad @swanker?

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7 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 I think Luke was rather unfairly singled out as a result of one picture showing him putting an arm around Carruthers (sp?) and laughing.  It's not clear if this was about the peeing or, indeed, whether he was even aware of it. The players were relatively guarded about it, had they not been caught by a pap with a long-lens, no one would have been the wiser. 

I'd hope the incident didn't hasten Ayling's departure and the club treated him tolerantly, given he was not the miscreant there. We could all see his quality when he was here, plus he was a developing player, he was destined to become something pretty special. 

 

Without sounding like a bit of a conspiracy theorist, I wonder if more was made of it because - at the time - we'd moved from a back three to a back four and the manager did not see Ayling as a right back in a back four. I don't necessarily mean the club deliberately scapegoated him and forced him out - more that it was a point where the manager needed convincing on whether Ayling fitted into his long-term plans and the incident convinced him in the opposite direction.

Obviously, if that was the case, it looks like a colossal misjudgement in hindsight. But I don't think Ayling would have become anywhere near the player he has if he had stayed here. 

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9 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Without sounding like a bit of a conspiracy theorist, I wonder if more was made of it because - at the time - we'd moved from a back three to a back four and the manager did not see Ayling as a right back in a back four. I don't necessarily mean the club deliberately scapegoated him and forced him out - more that it was a point where the manager needed convincing on whether Ayling fitted into his long-term plans and the incident convinced him in the opposite direction.

Obviously, if that was the case, it looks like a colossal misjudgement in hindsight. But I don't think Ayling would have become anywhere near the player he has if he had stayed here. 

 

Players develop as they get experience and you could see Ayling improving as his time here went on. Early on his occasional charges upfield would sometimes see him lose the ball just into the opposition half, allowing them to instantly start a counter. This gung-ho tendency was beginning to be tempered and he both retained the ball better and also was surer his attacking forays were covered.

I'm certainly not trying to suggest the only reason Luke departed was because he got a telling off over the Cheltenham thing, but whatever the full reasons were, it was, I think, a big mistake by us. 

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I remember reading that Luke Steele was a Judge at the Mr Gay Uk competition in the past, which I thought was very forward thinking of him at the time. This was back in 2012.

"The celebrity judging panel included this year’s Dancing on Ice winner, and Emmerdale star, Matthew Wolfenden, professional footballer Luke Steele formerly of Manchester United and now the Barnsley goal keeper. Bafta award winning TV Writer, Daran Little known for his work in Coronation Street, Eastenders and Made in Chelsea, completed the panel."

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1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said:

 I think Luke was rather unfairly singled out as a result of one picture showing him putting an arm around Carruthers (sp?) and laughing.  It's not clear if this was about the peeing or, indeed, whether he was even aware of it. The players were relatively guarded about it, had they not been caught by a pap with a long-lens, no one would have been the wiser. 

I'd hope the incident didn't hasten Ayling's departure and the club treated him tolerantly, given he was not the miscreant there. We could all see his quality when he was here, plus he was a developing player, he was destined to become something pretty special. 

 

 

It was an absolute non-event.

The reason it became so high profile was that on the first day the newspapers worded the story such that it appeared that drunk millionaire footballers were pouring piss down onto the peasants below them.

When it was properly reported the next day it was made very clear that all that was below them was a grassed area with nobody in it; but on a slow news day it became massive.

I felt sorry for the players involved and that the club should have been more supportive and gone onto the front foot and condemned press intrusion into a private bit of relaxation with very little in the way of high jinks.

Though at the time the forum consensus about Luke was that he was absolutely great going forward but that in doing this he was neglecting his defensive duties and allowing the opposition to get through behind him so replacing him with a more orthodox defender was probably a good idea and there was no great objection to his being sold.

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1 hour ago, Eddie Hitler said:

 

It was an absolute non-event.

The reason it became so high profile was that on the first day the newspapers worded the story such that it appeared that drunk millionaire footballers were pouring piss down onto the peasants below them.

When it was properly reported the next day it was made very clear that all that was below them was a grassed area with nobody in it; but on a slow news day it became massive.

I felt sorry for the players involved and that the club should have been more supportive and gone onto the front foot and condemned press intrusion into a private bit of relaxation with very little in the way of high jinks.

Though at the time the forum consensus about Luke was that he was absolutely great going forward but that in doing this he was neglecting his defensive duties and allowing the opposition to get through behind him so replacing him with a more orthodox defender was probably a good idea and there was no great objection to his being sold.

Perhaps, but for £250,000?

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4 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said:

Though at the time the forum consensus about Luke was that he was absolutely great going forward but that in doing this he was neglecting his defensive duties and allowing the opposition to get through behind him so replacing him with a more orthodox defender was probably a good idea and there was no great objection to his being sold.

Forum Concensus. The very thought :)

I was upset we 'let him go'. Or if you believe LJ, 'couldn't stand in his way'. I didn't appreciate he'd be a competent Prem defender and team captain though. Fair play to him.

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Pretty sure I shared this on here years ago, but worth repeating. I used to run into Luke Ayling quite often during his time at City, he lived in Harbourside and I worked nearby, we often shared the same eateries and coffee shops in the area and occasionally had a little chat. 

Shortly after Lee Johnson took over, Luke had been dropped from the the first team starting lineup and I bumped into him in Friska. Naturally I asked why he wasn't  starting and he told me "the Gaffer doesn't seem to like me". A few weeks later he joined Leeds.

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Im lucky enough to have bumped into Luke a few times in one of my neighbourhood restaurants and once in my local CO-OP, Ive nothing but good things to say about him, a lovely guy and a top footballer. I remember grabbing hold of him at Bradford after securing promotion and telling him "you will be playing premier league one day lad", he was so easy to watch, taking the ball out of defence, time after time waltzing past players, he could defend as well! Well he's premier league now and where is Mr Johnson ......

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14 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Perhaps, but for £250,000?

 

Benefit of hindsight maybe?  If he'd gone to Leeds and languished in the reserves then we would see that as pretty decent.

You can't always tell; Bolasie was a case in point.

We bought him from a financially stricken Plymouth for IIRC £50k - £80k and sold him to Palace for a much bigger sum though nothing huge.  I can't remember and wiki has these transfer fees as "undisclosed".

It was seen as good business as he didn't look anything special.

Suddenly he starts banging them in and Everton buy him for £25m.  While he was playing for us if anyone at Ashton Gate had said "There is a £25m player" people would have escorted him to the medical area for a lie down.

Then he had a bad injury which took him out for a year and whilst he has kept playing he never regained those highs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yannick_Bolasie

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53 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

 

Benefit of hindsight maybe?  If he'd gone to Leeds and languished in the reserves then we would see that as pretty decent.

You can't always tell; Bolasie was a case in point.

We bought him from a financially stricken Plymouth for IIRC £50k - £80k and sold him to Palace for a much bigger sum though nothing huge.  I can't remember and wiki has these transfer fees as "undisclosed".

It was seen as good business as he didn't look anything special.

Suddenly he starts banging them in and Everton buy him for £25m.  While he was playing for us if anyone at Ashton Gate had said "There is a £25m player" people would have escorted him to the medical area for a lie down.

Then he had a bad injury which took him out for a year and whilst he has kept playing he never regained those highs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yannick_Bolasie

I thought at the time it was £750k, but since have heard that it was indeed £250k.  I thought £750k was way too low.  To find out it was £250k was tragic.

I thought he was classy, exactly the player we needed to keep hold of if we were pushing up the Championship.

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6 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I thought at the time it was £750k, but since have heard that it was indeed £250k.  I thought £750k was way too low.  To find out it was £250k was tragic.

I thought he was classy, exactly the player we needed to keep hold of if we were pushing up the Championship.

I’ve never understood this.

We got circa £400k for Derrick Williams from Blackburn around the same time. I liked him but even his biggest fan wouldn’t say that he was a better player than Ayling & it was Leeds, FFS, not some tiny club pleading poverty.

I had heard it was £450k, which made it on a par with DW, which still clearly undervalued, would at least be logical.

 

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