barney999 Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 Any think that the lack of penalties awarded to us has something to do with Nige managing us, refs holding it against us as they know what he is like in regards to complaining running them down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Red Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 13 minutes ago, barney999 said: Any think that the lack of penalties awarded to us has something to do with Nige managing us, refs holding it against us as they know what he is like in regards to complaining running them down? Looks that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_bristol Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 It’s getting stupid now. Another apology letter isn’t enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 20 minutes ago, barney999 said: Any think that the lack of penalties awarded to us has something to do with Nige managing us, refs holding it against us as they know what he is like in regards to complaining running them down? Really wouldn’t surprise me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 Stonewaller on Atkinson. I thought ‘well he CAN’T not give that ’. He can. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdivision Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 20 minutes ago, BCFCGav said: Stonewaller on Atkinson. I thought ‘well he CAN’T not give that ’. He can. Yes. It was just a penalty. Simple. I thought it as it happened and the replays confirmed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 For what it's worth Nige had no complaints over the red card but was furious about Freeman staying on and Atkinson not getting a penalty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 It’s beyond ridiculous now especially when you consider some of the truly woeful decisions that have gone against us, in my opinion in our first four league games we should have already had two penalties, a penalty against us that shouldn’t of been and at least one, possibly two opposition players sent off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 I actually thought the ref was having a good game until the sending off. No question Sykes had to go, but Freeman should’ve seen red too. It didn’t look a pen on Atkinson to me, but I was miles away from it in the old Block B of the Dolman! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, Northern Red said: For what it's worth Nige had no complaints over the red card but was furious about Freeman staying on and Atkinson not getting a penalty. Was it Freeman that flattened Sykes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Lew-T said: Was it Freeman that flattened Sykes? Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellist Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Lew-T said: Was it Freeman that flattened Sykes? Yes. Started the whole melee really. You can normally tell when a tackle goes in if it's bad because there is a huge reaction from the opposition players but there didn't really seem to be until Freeman kicked it all off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, Northern Red said: For what it's worth Nige had no complaints over the red card but was furious about Freeman staying on and Atkinson not getting a penalty. He was right on all of those, the ref lost control just before the sending off, the Luton 11 was repeatedly wrestling & fouling off the ball & he did nothing. He allowed him to foul Sykes who lost it & went in two footed but how Freeman gets a yellow for barging him to the ground I have no idea. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 It was a blatant penalty for me. I think we need to be more vocal/visual in appealing them though. Put the pressure on refs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 I do think Atkinson threw himself to the floor. Can see why it wasn't given. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 I’ll bang on this drum forever. CIES looked at penalty frequency across the biggest ~630 teams in Europe. We came comfortably bottom, and since this report about 5 months ago, we’ve had 0. Something isn’t right, the EFL need to stop protecting these disgraceful refs and ask them the bloody question. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, BCFCGav said: I’ll bang on this drum forever. CIES looked at penalty frequency across the biggest ~630 teams in Europe. We came comfortably bottom, and since this report about 5 months ago, we’ve had 0. Something isn’t right, the EFL need to stop protecting these disgraceful refs and ask them the bloody question. That's mental! I do think VAR would have ruled in our favour countless times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 1 minute ago, mozo said: That's mental! I do think VAR would have ruled in our favour countless times. https://www.football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2021/wp364/en/ Link to prove I’m not spouting rubbish. Yea I agree, I’m pro-VAR because of this nonsense. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, BCFCGav said: https://www.football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2021/wp364/en/ Link to prove I’m not spouting rubbish. Yea I agree, I’m pro-VAR because of this nonsense. Thank you, I hadn't seen this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midlands Robin Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 18 minutes ago, BCFCGav said: https://www.football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2021/wp364/en/ Link to prove I’m not spouting rubbish. Yea I agree, I’m pro-VAR because of this nonsense. It also stands out that the majority of the clubs in the Championship are at the bottom end of that list. It seems on average that Championship match Ref's are the most reluctant to award penalties in Europe. It's very bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 17 minutes ago, Midlands Robin said: It also stands out that the majority of the clubs in the Championship are at the bottom end of that list. It seems on average that Championship match Ref's are the most reluctant to award penalties in Europe. It's very bizarre. Maybe it’s because Championship referees are not much cop compared to the rest of the European leagues included. They either give ones that aren’t or miss ones that are, or some do both with amazing frequency! To have just 1 penalty awarded for every 91 scoring chances is beyond ridiculous. And you only have to go 20 places up the table out of roughly 600 teams in Europe to find the team that gets awarded penalties twice as often as us based on minutes played. Only 4 penalties awarded in 2.5 seasons would suggest something more than random chance is going on. No wonder Pearson is complaining about officiating standards… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midlands Robin Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 I agree, statistics like that show it's way more than just chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 Tonight’s penalty for Atkinson, was about as easy a decision as you can get. No excuses. I thought Sykes was in trouble for his, but I’ve seen them not given as red. But it was just into the red card “zone” for me, so I’m not gonna be hypocritical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwicolin Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 Considering we have only had 7 penalties in 4 seasons, and Blackpool had 8 last season, alone , definitely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted August 17, 2022 Admin Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 14 hours ago, BCFCGav said: https://www.football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2021/wp364/en/ Link to prove I’m not spouting rubbish. Yea I agree, I’m pro-VAR because of this nonsense. That table is outdated. We have played 25 Championship fixtures since then without a penalty. We have moved from one penalty ever 1834 minutes to one every 2115 minutes as a result. Our last penalty was 33.5 matches ago (3015 minutes) when Chris Martin scored on the stroke of half time in our 3-2 defeat at Coventry. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 Perhaps not a surprise over the period from LJ stuttering then struggling up until well into Nige's time during which we would not infrequently have two or three attempts on goal, sometimes fewer, little possession in general, next to none in the opposition third, were dreadful to watch, and presumably spent little time in the opposition box in possession of the ball? But seeing as we were 7th, was it?, top scorers last season, you think some of that must've changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) Believe it to be 1 in 85 games now in the League. Put in a different way, 1st November 2020 to most recent game- 16th August 2022 v Luton, 1 penalty in the League. No, apologies- got that stat wrong as I surely have...1 in 85 is crazy! Just checked and it's 1 in 87!! Edited August 17, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Believe it to be 1 in 85 games now in the League. Put in a different way, 1st November 2020 to most recent game- 16th August 2022 v Luton, 1 penalty in the League. No, apologies- got that stat wrong as I surely have...1 in 85 is crazy! Just checked and it's 1 in 87!! Have we had an ordinary or expected number of incidents that could (or should) reasonably have been given as a penalty in that same period? Does the data show that at all? It's kind of important if we're checking to see whether we are getting our fair share. @Ian M same question. Edited August 17, 2022 by ExiledAjax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted August 17, 2022 Admin Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 Just now, ExiledAjax said: Have we had an ordinary or expected number of incidents that could (or should) reasonably have been given as a penalty in that same period? Does the data show that at all? It's kind of important if we're checking to see whether we are getting our fair share. The average Championship side in the last 4 seasons, receives 5.27 penalties per 46 games. In 87 games that is 9.97 penalties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ian M said: The average Championship side in the last 4 seasons, receives 5.27 penalties per 46 games. In 87 games that is 9.97 penalties. Yes. But over the past four seasons have we attacked and entered the box at the rate of an average Championship side? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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