Show Me The Money! Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 Apologies if this has been discussed already and another apology as this isn’t City related but I’m baffled as to how Forest seem to be not only buying lots of players (16 now) but also spending quite large amounts of money for a newly promoted club that have a ground not really that much bigger than Ashton Gate. How are they able to do this? I’ve never liked Forest for some reason as they always seem to be one of these clubs that the media seem to kiss the ass off because of Brian Clough and have fans that think they belong in the prem because they won the European cup a couple of times 40 years ago. I’m basically wanting them to get thrashed every week and will be peeved if they stay up because they are basically over spending beyond there means. Rant over 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 They’re in the Prem, mate. Plus their (totally legit) owner is someone who has fought hard to clear his name of those obviously false match fixing, referee intimidating (that bomb that went off at the referee’s business, all a mere coincidence) allegations who has easily passed the EFL’s fit & proper person’s test. Expect plenty of Olympiakos/Forest transfers in the same way loads of players miraculously go between Udinese & Watford. 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 Amortisation. £140m (or whatever) on players on 4 year deals only costs them £35m per season. Wages too Admittedly but again say 14 players on £60k p.w. Is “only” £42m p.a. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Me The Money! Posted August 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 I know they have the Prem money but they must have spent more than that already if you take into account the wages they must be paying out as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 18, 2022 Admin Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 I originally assumed they were doing the same as Fulham did a few seasons ago, but was surprised to see how many players they lost as were out of contract 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Me The Money! Posted August 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 Just surprised as you rarely see any promoted team into the prem going for it like this. Especially a team that hasn’t just come back up from a short stay in the champ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 39 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said: Apologies if this has been discussed already and another apology as this isn’t City related but I’m baffled as to how Forest seem to be not only buying lots of players (16 now) but also spending quite large amounts of money for a newly promoted club that have a ground not really that much bigger than Ashton Gate. How are they able to do this? I’ve never liked Forest for some reason as they always seem to be one of these clubs that the media seem to kiss the ass off because of Brian Clough and have fans that think they belong in the prem because they won the European cup a couple of times 40 years ago. I’m basically wanting them to get thrashed every week and will be peeved if they stay up because they are basically over spending beyond there means. Rant over They are in the prem, winning the play off alone is worth 120 million to the club, then add on prize money and TV money it's probably close to 200 million just for 1 season up there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 38 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said: Apologies if this has been discussed already and another apology as this isn’t City related but I’m baffled as to how Forest seem to be not only buying lots of players (16 now) but also spending quite large amounts of money for a newly promoted club that have a ground not really that much bigger than Ashton Gate. How are they able to do this? I’ve never liked Forest for some reason as they always seem to be one of these clubs that the media seem to kiss the ass off because of Brian Clough and have fans that think they belong in the prem because they won the European cup a couple of times 40 years ago. I’m basically wanting them to get thrashed every week and will be peeved if they stay up because they are basically over spending beyond there means. Rant over I'm with you They are basically Bristol City with more success and why wouldn't they be when you compare Bristol v Nottingham, very similar in many ways Fanbase is overrated in my opinion, they have averaged less than 20k in the Champ in the not to distant past 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 Just now, cidercity1987 said: I'm with you They are basically Bristol City with more success and why wouldn't they be when you compare Bristol v Nottingham, very similar in many ways Fanbase is overrated in my opinion, they have averaged less than 20k in the Champ in the not to distant past They are massive compared to us they won a European trophy we've won nothing of note Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Monkeh said: They are massive compared to us they won a European trophy we've won nothing of note Isn't that what I said? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: I'm with you They are basically Bristol City with more success and why wouldn't they be when you compare Bristol v Nottingham, very similar in many ways Fanbase is overrated in my opinion, they have averaged less than 20k in the Champ in the not to distant past In fairness if we got to the prem we’d have just as many ‘fans’ come out of the woodwork as forest have 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: I'm with you They are basically Bristol City with more success and why wouldn't they be when you compare Bristol v Nottingham, very similar in many ways Fanbase is overrated in my opinion, they have averaged less than 20k in the Champ in the not to distant past Forest are still a big club to be fair to them but i agree their fanbase particularly at this level is nothing to write home about. I said it on a previous thread a few weeks ago but despite what some say on here our fanbase particularly after the re-build and considering the lack of success we have had (30 plus years and counting out of the topflight) is very good IMO. Barring a complete horror season i think we will average 20k plus again at home this season which would be a very good effort. Edited August 18, 2022 by bris red 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Me The Money! Posted August 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 Why have we not seen teams like Norwich or West Brom ever go for it like this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said: Why have we not seen teams like Norwich or West Brom ever go for it like this? Fulham did it a few years ago Upgraded their entire squad but kept the Championship squad in reserve Got relegated Sold all the new players and went back to the original squad for the next season in the Champ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 Was it worth it for the players who got them promoted, busting a gut and no chance of playing Prem ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 minute ago, slartibartfast said: Was it worth it for the players who got them promoted, busting a gut and no chance of playing Prem ? 5 of them were loans. Which means you can get promoted when half the team aren't your players. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 Business model is fairly simple (in my equally simple brain). Spend everything on promotion and hope to be better than the 3rd shittest team. Year two, assuming survival, build for the longer term. If plan A goes wrong and you do get relegated, invoke the fire sale to stave off financial penalties. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Fulham did it a few years ago Upgraded their entire squad but kept the Championship squad in reserve Got relegated Sold all the new players and went back to the original squad for the next season in the Champ Although importantly they neglected to retain a number of loanees or out of contract players- or were unable to, importantly in the case of Fredericks and Targett...probably 2-3 others who were quite important in how the squad was set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cityboy1954 Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Show Me The Money! said: Apologies if this has been discussed already and another apology as this isn’t City related but I’m baffled as to how Forest seem to be not only buying lots of players (16 now) but also spending quite large amounts of money for a newly promoted club that have a ground not really that much bigger than Ashton Gate. How are they able to do this? I’ve never liked Forest for some reason as they always seem to be one of these clubs that the media seem to kiss the ass off because of Brian Clough and have fans that think they belong in the prem because they won the European cup a couple of times 40 years ago. I’m basically wanting them to get thrashed every week and will be peeved if they stay up because they are basically over spending beyond there means. Rant over Very true only a couple of years ago they were skint cotterell when manager similar to here had no money to .spend . Edited August 18, 2022 by Cityboy1954 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 Remember when we got promoted to the top tier...........we signed no *** ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 Nottingham Forest Basically they were under an embargo for 2-3 years on and off which helped to stabilise the finances- this was under the old system which didn't have deductions but open ended embargoes until the club had rectified if they stayed down which gave a club a very strong incentive to fix FFP and do so correctly if they were unsuccessful wuth promotion. Then the system changed old to new AND they became quite good at cashing in on youth products. Pushed FFP to the limit- who knows in the fullness of time what proper analysis of their accounts to 2022 will show, they put in for £28m in 3 years in Covid addbacks and claims iirc which could surely in the fullness of time be challenged or amended by the EFL for FFP purposes- remember though they were rather good at sales, especially youth players as I say which on disposal is pure profit. Cooper came in, strong loanees- something just clicked and they surged last season- Cup run helped too IMO, beating Arsenal and Leicester will have put confidence up further- perfect storm, struck while iron was hot. That Carvalho 'sale' to Olympiakos in January however...would be very interesting to see what that was- could it have kept them the right side of FFP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 A deal up to £42.5 million for Gibbs White!! Forest will pay an initial fee of £25m, plus up to £17m in potential add-ons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 I really like Morgan gibbs-white but christ £40 million plus is mental money 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, bris red said: I really like Morgan gibbs-white but christ £40 million plus is mental money Fools and their money are easily parted - you'd think what happened down the road would be a cautionary tale on not overspending, they might regret it at some point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 38 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said: Why have we not seen teams like Norwich or West Brom ever go for it like this? Norwich owners can't afford it and West Broms is being investigated for taking ( sorry borrowing) money from the club for o e if his other enterprises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 18, 2022 Admin Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 hour ago, cidercity1987 said: Fulham did it a few years ago Upgraded their entire squad but kept the Championship squad in reserve Got relegated Sold all the new players and went back to the original squad for the next season in the Champ See my post above Difference is Forest lost SEVEN players from last season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 hour ago, daored said: A deal up to £42.5 million for Gibbs White!! Forest will pay an initial fee of £25m, plus up to £17m in potential add-ons. bit dear for a tube of toothpaste...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 5 hours ago, Rocking Red Cyril said: Is not a geezer a bloke ? There all sh*t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 5 hours ago, bris red said: I really like Morgan gibbs-white but christ £40 million plus is mental money I agree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 13 hours ago, Show Me The Money! said: I’ve never liked Forest for some reason as they always seem to be one of these clubs that the media seem to kiss the ass off because of Brian Clough and have fans that think they belong in the prem because they won the European cup a couple of times 40 years ago. I’m basically wanting them to get thrashed every week and will be peeved if they stay up because they are basically over spending beyond there means. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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