Guest grazza Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 We need a replacement for Tinman to be the creative force behind the team. This player also needs to have the added ability to make runs past our front 2 and get on the end of things in the box. We don't have this in our current squad: Possible realistic targets: Wellens (Blackpool) would be ideal & am glad to see that some on this forum are beginning to talk about him (does anybody know his contract status) Also liked the look of Liam Lawrence of Mansfield yesterday - he is available on a free and is a proven goal scorer - normally plays on the right but looked like a player who plays with his head up and can spot a pass. Upfront - it would be nice to get McPhee but how many strikers can we afford to have on our books. We can't keep buying young promising strikers give them a year in the first team to find their feet and then replace them with another one who has to go through this whole process all over again (Roberts, Miller, Gillespie etc etc). I'm glad we've offered Leapy another deal - we missed him on Sunday big time. Yes he needs to take more of his chances but he does make them for others and gives us the physical presence up front which was absent on Sunday despite Millers best efforts. However, what we really need is a manager who realises what a good team we could have if he just played people in the right position and let them play. To me Wilson completely failed to learn the lesson of the Hartlepool game where we got lucky and managed to retrieve the situation in the last 5 mins. To again send out a defensive team against a Brighton side that we knew was going to sit back and defend for ninety minutes was disgraceful - in the end he got what he deserved. Unfortunately 35,000 of us in the ground and tens of thousands elsewhere had to suffer it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordofthebling Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 defender replacement for Doc Dont think tinman will go now Caskey has gone and we are still stuck in this division... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TinnionsTalentedLeftFoot Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 all we need is a proven goalscorer,no point in signing anybody else,just a proven goalscorer,if you couldnt see that was all we were missing last season then you need your heads tested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordofthebling Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 heads tested? why are you taking that tone? think we need to sort out the service the strikers get instead of selling our best midfielder to replace him with playing our in form striker on the right for 3 months, then playing defenders on the left wing. The strikers we have have goals in them, but they need the ball - as Sunday showed, we didnt put a cross in all day. If YOU cant see that then I'm sorry, you obviously dont understand football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TinnionsTalentedLeftFoot Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 your really beginning to piss me off now! we have created loads more chances than any team in div2 this season and do not have a proven goalscorer,I'm sorry to inform you that they are born not made,the goals are not there compared to how many chances we create Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TinnionsTalentedLeftFoot Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 as Sunday showed, we didnt put a cross in all day. are you thick? I'm not talking about sunday,admittedly on sunday we were nothing like what we usually are when we have our best ball players playing,our strikers have been a disgrace in front of goal all season :@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordofthebling Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 ok, i really dont want to piss you off Lee, you have your opinion, i will have mine ok??! We have created more chances than any other team in division 2? ok..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 What is Luke Wilkshire if not a creative midfielder? Everyone moaned when he played on the right and at 23 with Prem experience he needs to start to justify what we've paid for him. A midfield with Scott on the right, Aaron on the left and Doherty and presumably Wilkshire (when he's not off at the Olympics) will just have to do, any available room on the wage bill HAS to go on a goalscorer as unless you believe Lita or Gillespie can do the business with virtually no league experience (absolutely none in Gillespie's case, he's hardly played for their reserves) we'll look goalshy yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TinnionsTalentedLeftFoot Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 What is Luke Wilkshire if not a creative midfielder? Everyone moaned when he played on the right and at 23 with Prem experience he needs to start to justify what we've paid for him. A midfield with Scott on the right, Aaron on the left and Doherty and presumably Wilkshire (when he's not off at the Olympics) will just have to do, any available room on the wage bill HAS to go on a goalscorer as unless you believe Lita or Gillespie can do the business with virtually no league experience (absolutely none in Gillespie's case, he's hardly played for their reserves) we'll look goalshy yet again. agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TinnionsTalentedLeftFoot Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 ok, i really dont want to piss you off Lee, you have your opinion, i will have mine ok??! We have created more chances than any other team in division 2? ok..... you have to hold your hands up and admit it though!its true(sunday aside) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordofthebling Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 um, ok - what is the point of your posts? attacking me personally or discussing the team? Personally - i dont understand why you are attacking everyone on this forum all day. Why say the things you are? Its a bit childish isnt it? If you dont agree with what i have to say, demonstrate an argument using your opinion and backing it up with facts instead of saying that i need my head tested or i am thick. Personally, i know i am not thick as i have got myself 20k in debt to become a university graduate. i also understand the game, the club, the other fans on here and the second division far too well. Back to your arguement, i agree with you that the strikers have not performed well. However the strikers, its a simple fact that they are not getting the sevice they need. Listen to my point... calm down, take a breather and think about it... We sell murray, our most creative midfielder, only to be replaced by one of our strikers who as all strikers do, had an eye for goal instead of crossing the ball. Then we buy goodfellow who is played out of position. All this time, Danny stuck by the Miller/Lee P partnership which was not performing, whilst other strikers were in form in the reserves. Then we get murray back and we look again an attacking outfit again against QPR with Roberst up front and Murray on the right. Brown then gets injured. We play a defender on the left, so all teams know were our attacking is going to come from, down the right from murray. then he gets injured. Rougier comes in, adds something different, plays well, but again with a defender on the left, two defenders are on him like a rash. Then Bell, the best crosser we have gets injured too and we play woodman, who plays far far to deep on the left. So we have Rougier getting double teamed to supply the front two, or long balls from the defence up to Miller or LeeP. For me that is far to predictable. Why Danny chose to play a defender on the left i will never ever know. Did he not trust Matt Hill? We have a great winger in Goodfellow and we did in Rougier on the left, but they were ousted in favour of Woodman. You say the strikers didnt take their chances - sadly they normally only get one or two chances a game and the pressure is on them to convert. Dissapointingly at this level, strikers are not that acute. This is the real world i am talking about, otherwise we would all love to have Henry in the team. With the midfielders we had at our disposal we should have been creating chances for fun. Hoddle stated that Andy Cole needed 5 chances to score one goal, however he is an England international and one of Manchester Uniteds highest scorers with the chances Beckham and Giggs served him on a plate. Thats my point, but i suppose you still think i am thick and need my head tested. ah well, thats the joy of the forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TinnionsTalentedLeftFoot Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 your doing this purposely to annoy me!stop lying! :@ MURRAY is not our most creative player,he's not even a creative player,he is all pace and danger,not creative at all,he gets on the end of other players creations(TINMAN,TOMMY,WILKSHIRE) GOODFELLOW is a right-winger,even though he's left footed he always played right-wing for STOKE when we dropped BURNELL we went on a winning run and straight to the top of the league because of our ball players and countless chances created,it was a disgrace that the strikers didnt score more than they did we do not have a proven goalscorer,our strikers miss chance after chance,we clearly have the best ball players,as every div2 manager openly admits TINMAN,WILKSHIRE,TOMMY DOC,AARON BROWN,WOODY,BELLY,GOODFELLOW,MURRAY,ROBBO going forward we are awesome,as was proven after we dropped BURNELL,but we miss far too many penalty box chances,we dont finish off our attacking moves(on sunday we didnt create chances but i am not talking about sunday!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordofthebling Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 god now I'm lying?! Why dont you listen?! i know Goodfellow played on the right for stoke, but all I'm saying is that Goodfellow or Rougier was a better option than woodman on the left! A defender on the left is too predictable, everything came down the right off tinman. It was frustrating to watch. All we have in our locker seems to be a short pass from tinman sideways to matt hill or a long diagonal ball over the top to rougier or murray - mixed up with a long ball to Lee P from Coles or Butler. Why dont you listen, read whats in front of you and note that i agree with you in regards to our strikers. However getting a goalscoring striker will not be the end of our problems if no one gets the ball in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAGILLA Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 First signing should be a new manager. Sorry Danny but you've got the tactical nous of a rotting cabbage. :@ As for the three players mentioned at the top of the thread:- Wellens is being watched by PNE, Man City, Fulham and Blackburn R. Lawrence is being watched by Rotherham, Forest and Millwall. McPhee is being watched by Wigan (at least). I don't think City are going to get much of a look-in with their enquiries, do you? Perhaps with a change at the helm players may think twice before turning us down. Who knows? They're not going to come here with DW still in charge. :@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jellyred Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Sorry, but I agree with Bling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TinnionsTalentedLeftFoot Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 your blind mate,whenever our best ball players are playing we are way too good for div2,creating chances for fun,go on admit i dare you,actually you probably cant even remember that far back,you can only remember our last game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TinnionsTalentedLeftFoot Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Sorry, but I agree with Bling. Sorry, but I agree with Bling. i dont expect anybody on this forum to agree with me,DW,FB,or any div2 manager your all crazy as far as I'm concerned,and disgraceful and on another planet : :@ :@ :@ :@ :@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grazza Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Agree - we need a goalscorer - that is why I mentioned Mcphee - however, we have just signed Gillespie, offered a new contract to Leapy and have kept Roberts, recently signed Miller and have Lita pushing for a place. Are we going to leave all these young "talents" to rot in the reserves? Gillespie has signed for 2 yrs - if he is not a 1st team regular in 18 months he will leave. Tinman has been superb but even he is making noises about possibly retiring - management have recognised this as a possibility and presumably this is why Caskey was given a long trial. It would be great if Wilkshire fulfilled his potential and began to boss games and score goals but to me he is still too easily knocked off the ball and quickly loses confidence. Even if Wilkshire was to begin to shine he is still absent for many games and if he was injured and Tinman retired we would be left with the prospect of a return to the Burnell/Dohery centre midfield partnership. Therefore, I suggest our priority signing should be Wellens. Our defence is sound - good enough to get out of Div 2. We also need the manager to recognise how good we could be with a positive approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TinnionsTalentedLeftFoot Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 while i agree that if TINMAN retires and/or TOMMY DOC leaves,we may need to bring in a creative midfielder,but if they are still with us next season then all we need is a proven goalscorer,to win the title that is,I'm not suggesting that we are going to sign a proven goalscorer,because that would be living in dream-world,but we blatantly obvious need one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Agree - we need a goalscorer - that is why I mentioned Mcphee - however, we have just signed Gillespie, offered a new contract to Leapy and have kept Roberts, recently signed Miller and have Lita pushing for a place. Are we going to leave all these young "talents" to rot in the reserves? Gillespie has signed for 2 yrs - if he is not a 1st team regular in 18 months he will leave. Tinman has been superb but even he is making noises about possibly retiring - management have recognised this as a possibility and presumably this is why Caskey was given a long trial. It would be great if Wilkshire fulfilled his potential and began to boss games and score goals but to me he is still too easily knocked off the ball and quickly loses confidence. Even if Wilkshire was to begin to shine he is still absent for many games and if he was injured and Tinman retired we would be left with the prospect of a return to the Burnell/Dohery centre midfield partnership. Therefore, I suggest our priority signing should be Wellens. Our defence is sound - good enough to get out of Div 2. We also need the manager to recognise how good we could be with a positive approach. Agreed or Lawrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordofthebling Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 for christs sake, now your slagging of the entire forum.... Listen will you: I AGREE WITH YOU! But i dont think signing a proven goalscorer like Trundle or McPhee will solve all of our problems. Thats all! please calm down - I'm worried about your ticker Lee.... We create chances for fun? We do - at home. but we have been far too defence minded down the left, that is all I'm saying! Would you not like two pacey wingers either side? Cause if i was McGhee or any other manager after Brown got injured, i would have said to the right back, dont worry about Woodman or bell, he wont take you on, and to the left winger and left back, just stop Rougier and Murray running at you... Simple but effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TinnionsTalentedLeftFoot Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 I'm not even talking about that,I'm just saying that when all our best ball players are on the pitch we creat more chances than any team at div2 standard(AARON BROWN on the left for example,BURNELL dropped for example) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 TinnionsTalentedLeftFoot - are you a gashead in disguise or do you just not wath many city games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TinnionsTalentedLeftFoot Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 i watch every single game and its a shame that none of you lot can remember past the last game we played,its quite funny as well,you have no idea,and there would definately be some fireworks in person,i dont blame the city fans for fighting eachother after sunday if there were so many liars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordofthebling Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 right, ok, great post when our ball players on the pitch - but havent they been on crutches? It seems like the options available to Danny we have been too defensive down the left. I agree with you if we had a midfield of Brown, Doc, Tinman and Murray we would walk all over most teams in this division. However we chose to play defensive. and i feel sorry for murray, Tinman, peacock, miller, lita and Roberts who all had an option of attack taken away from them. Still i would like you to answer dynamite reds post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordofthebling Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 such a gashead, or are you a certain swindon manager?! For the final time, if you are a city fan, i agree with you about needing a goalscorer, and when our ball players are off the park, we could walk all over teams. However, since brown got injured, we were lacking in attack. But we could also do with a goalscorer, but i still reckon all of our strikers and the new boy gillespie have a lot to offer in the ball is put in the box. Cheer up Lee and stop being abusive to everyone. I am sure there would not be fireworks in person! Kiss kiss, Bling xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TinnionsTalentedLeftFoot Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 we do not have a proven goalscorer at the club,end of story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 its quite funny as well,you have no idea,and there would definately be some fireworks in person,i dont blame the city fans for fighting eachother after sunday if there were so many liars What the hell are talking about you freak show. I have read all your 140 posts in the last 48 hours and the way you phrase your comments makes me believe you are not a City fan. The whiff of gas makes me choke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordofthebling Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 yes end of story, but even if we did sign Henry, Owen and Nistelrooy - they still need the ball in the box to do the business... thats all I'm saying... yes we need a scorer, but we also need to get the service sorted to them out. Get Brown fit, Murray his confidence back, tinman and Doc to stay, and the boys flying down the wings and crossing balls then we will walk all over teams - as i feel the strikers we have have goals in them. But if we sign a striker fair play, but for me a central defender is top top priority followed by a replacement for The Doc and tinman if they go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TinnionsTalentedLeftFoot Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 ive only seen a couple of city fans on this forum,disgrace :@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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