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Seems to have developed into a match day thread although wasn't intention, how exciting, my first one !

Don't forget we've got Tremlett for a bit of bounce, could be lethal at the WACA

How good does that look while scrolling down ITV schedules. Exposure on national TV with Adrian Chiles plus the big guns Mad Dog Allen & Clarke Carlisle COYR !

Aren't the Aussies older than us ?

You ca't say he was just a politician though, OK he was President for three years but was 76 at the time of the election having spent most of the previous 30 years behind bars. Was not a politician, certainly in the coventional sense, before that in fact I think he was a lawyer.

It's a minute's applause, if anyone doesn't want to clap they have that option.

Well how deep do you want to go ? I'll start by saying I'd imagine a lot of black players, for instance, are inspired by him. Anyway why should English football be so insular ?

True, he was only a global legend, why should English football salute his passing ?

Des,you can throw as many right wing conservative opinions at me as you like, the fact is they're tainted by the political slant of the authors. Feel free to believe them. Please see post # 70 for my thoughts on NM and terrorism.

Yes, it's a right wing american website which has an agenda and hence has no value whatsoever.

They used to until quite recently !

Well I think the subjugation of the majority population is quite a valid cause ! Pre-trial I believe he renounced peaceful actions once all other avenues were closed, but any specific targets were either industrial or military which could be regarded as legitimate. Once inside prison I don't see how he could have been involved with any bombings which the military wing of the ANC committed, anyway these bombings were mainly retaliatory and pale into insignificance compared to what the SA state was up to.

What actions exactly are you referring to ?

Good description of what you've written.

Get a grip man

Will you never learn ?! Sounds like we're doing OK, could well pinch an equaliser

Don't concede again this half please chaps.

Looks like a Zimbabwean will be replacing a South African in the England No. 3 spot for 2nd test.

No, should never have got rid.

In your opinion of course, now we'll never know. My opinion is things were getting better and the team was starting to gel, especially away from home. I honestly don't believe we'd have been relegated with him in charge. Now it's all back to square 1 again ffs.

No wonder you're confused, there was no love fest, just hope that a respected manager would be given time to turn things round.

Really can't be arsed any more.

Well that's clear as mud then !

Pietersen is SA as far as I'm concerned, the accent slightly gives it away. Only moved here out of convenience due to disagreeing with quotas, apparently. Not sure about Prior, was he born in SA ?

Don't go along with that, playing for Somerset didn't seem to affect Tressies England career. Compo just got bogged down, deserved to be dropped.