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2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

The culture inherited and the financial emergency can supersede some of that.

Klose joined halfway in, Vyner of 2021-21 was not, never was the Vyner we see today. Absolutely was not.

Was the culture inherited really that bad?  I agree re:Vyner, either way, never really understand how and why he struggled so badly to get a coherent defence, the quality was hardly on par with the likes of the Rotherham who we saw Saturday.

9 minutes ago, NickJ said:

If he fronted up when we’re Ona losing run rather than only ever on a winning streak, I’d agree with you.

Whoever the interviewer surely the main question has to be, given that JL said we had a top 6 squad, does he agree switching managers was a failure?

Despite your best efforts questions like this are very easy to answer. 

59 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Why should we be looking at selling Conway? More upheaval, financially speaking heavy lifting..let's seem to keep him and show a bit of ambition within sensible financials of course.

Well if signing a number 9 is as nailed on as being made out will TC even be a regular for us next season? Unless im mistaken hasn’t LM made it clear that 1 up top is here to stay.

I can see him going to somewhere like Stoke - better wages, further North, a fellow scouse in charge who plays progressive exciting football. I think he should stay though, there is a reason why he is currently playing his best football and part of that is the management getting the best out of him.

57 minutes ago, beaverface said:

This basically sums up where we were when Nigel Pearson first took over. We were at a point where we were shipping a lot of goals and we couldn't even win a corner.

Rather than try to instill a particular style or flavour that Nigel Pearson preferred, he basically played a lot more percentages and used the tools at his disposal, which was basically play off of Chris Martin and gets the likes of Semenyo and Weiman to run off him. It wasn't pretty, but it did a job, unlike the likes of Sean O'Driscoll who IMO tried to change the philosophy too quickly, and ultimately led to our relegation.

I've a lot of time for NP, and he got the team playing a couple of different styles in his time with us, and that's probably why it was so disappointing that we didn't get to see his ideal line up on how he wanted us to play in the long term. I genuinely thought given time he would create a team not only to get us promotion, but keep us in the top division. He almost had the succession planning for himself in place with the likes of Andy King and\or Jason Euell.

But back on subject though, the above also seems to be the approach the likes of Neil Warnock has taken - get the players back to basics, make them hard to beat, compete for everything up top, and scrimp & scrape those points for safety. It's only once the season is over and a fresh new season comes about that this approach get's found out.

I'll look forward to seeing what Rohl does next season, but it sounds like he knows his onions and I'd expect them to be mid-table easily.

I’ve got a lot of time for Nigel too, but I can’t help but feel he is viewed with significant rose tinted glasses, people forget he had some excellent players at his disposal. I remember the 21/22 season, he had the likes of Kalas, Bentley, Dasilva, Klose, Vyner etc…..and yet we had the 2nd worst defense in the division. Saying that he had a proper rebuild job to do, either way, it is what it is.

20 minutes ago, Ian M said:

I think we made him one of our highest earners to persuade their PotY to join us. I’m pretty sure Jones complained about not being able to compete with us. At a guess I’d expect him to be on between £12-15k per week. If I’m correct, that brings in better than cover.

It also makes him very hard to shift, can’t see there being any takers anywhere.

23 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

Define better. We are still mid table, Stoke,QPR and Wednesday have all been in and around the relegation places until the last 7/10 days 

Well compare the recent run of form to where we were prior, on a terrible run. I would also argue that we are playing better football now than we did under Pearson, Holden and the later stages of the Johnson era. Clearly the Swansea game was a turning point where Manning went in with a very different approach. Schumacher has openly done the same thing at Stoke, both sides now reaping the benefits. Yes we are still mid-table but, for the first time in a long time I’m excited for the season ahead and I think we can all acknowledge that we are playing with real quality on the pitch.

All 4 have done a really good job so far, especially at QPR and Wednesday. More so Wednesday as QPR have in my view always had a squad that shouldn’t be flirting with relegation. Ainsworth struggled, perhaps an example of what can happen when you don’t pause and reflect, Swansea clearly a big turning point for us.

I imagine both Manning and Schumacher have a similar PPG since taking over, could be wrong though. 

EDIT: Manning 1.35 PPG Schumacher 1.25 PPG

On 27/04/2024 at 09:03, Davefevs said:

Was reading this article from the Sheffield Star:

and pulled out these sections:

replace Owls with Robins and Rohl with Manning, maybe? @Silvio Dante

the final sentence could be us since Leicester after the painful run of games playing a mid / low block

similar scenario ahead of Easter, Manning needing results, a more pragmatic, “get at them higher up the pitch” approach.

Tactics, or at least the way the game plays out influenced by opposition.

A balance of styles!!!

@spudski you’ll like this.  Crosses = low percentage opportunity, especially ones outside the lines of the 18 yard box.

Balance v Purity.  A realisation that you cannot play a one-dimensional game like Leicester / Southampton without top players.

Manning, Schumacher, Cifuentes and Rohl have all done this, and they have all built on and made their sides better because of it. 

2 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

The two divisions are very different for quality and tactics. You infer that Warne has been more direct to get them out of League One but he may well adjust the style in the Championship. The same way as most teams who go from Championship to Premier need to recruit better and more technically players.

You overestimate 1) the tactical track record of Warne 2) Derby ability to recruit. A Paul Warne side has never played attractive football, he didn’t do it with Rotherham a small fish in a big pond, or Derby a big fish in a small pond…..as for recruitment, this Derby side in terms of quality is far inferior to any of his Rotherham sides - they also have no money so if you genuinely think that Derby in the champ are going to suddenly play decent football you will be VERY disappointed.

On paper, with their inability to spend, they are going to really struggle next season, especially with their aging squad and losing a number of players. Good luck to them, absolutely no surprise that Bird wanted to jump ship though - relegation battle for them next season. 

4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Why out of interest?

If we offer him a “much reduced” rate he won’t sign, simple as that. It wouldn’t surprise me if he is waiting on any offers - currently in the best form of his career - wouldn’t surprise me if a Stoke, West Brom, Watford came calling, all of whom will pay more per week. 

One element of this that people underestimate is the role Twine plays - if he pushes for the move then you could knock off a sizeable amount. I get the impression Twine would love to be here, playing in his best position, guarenteed to be the “star” man, local to home, a manager who has got the best out of him…..he also knows that he is at a point where he needs regular games. If I were him I would be making it very clear to Burnley what my thoughts and hopes were. Not sure he is that kind of lad though.

Just now, cidercity1987 said:

Hope he comes in with a positive happy to be here attitude. Not sure.

Seems a good player of our level but I was a little concerned when Knight said in the week that Bird is a very similar player to him

Why wouldn’t he come here positive and happy? I haven’t heard the interview and the specifics he was referring to, but they are clearly very different types of players. 

He is a very different player to Twine, and I think he will excel under Manning far more than Warne. Paul Warne sides are very direct, and some Derby fans have been frustrated with this and feel it negates the strengths of Bird. A completely different style of football to Manning.

Whilst Bird isn’t the same player as James they are similar, he seems like an obvious replacement and in my view an upgrade. He is more mobile a better passer and a bigger goal threat - James does have greater experience and nouse though.

i think he will be an excellent signing, and im suprised we managed to get him…. A rotating 4 of Bird Knight Williams and TGH is really good at this level. For all his faults one thing BT has improved is recruitment of players.