Mr Popodopolous

The worst that could have happened to Bournemouth was a transfer embargo in December 2015 to remain in place until such time as they were compliant again had they stayed down. Points deduction for it did not exist then, neither did Future Financial Information, EFL 2 year Business Plans post fail, could go on. Was simply a fine if promoted and an embargo if not. By which time some players probably would have been sold and they would comply again. Certainly was never the case that if you lost over £15m in FFP in the prior 3 years you have to show the League your next 2 years of FFP projections. My suspicion is that this kicked in for us in summer 2021. I do sort of agree with your point though for 2008 may have been a good time. We could have banked both PL cash and Parachute money with a bigger roll of the dice that January. FFP didn't even exist then in any form. Stoke rolled the dice a bit.

They put the infrastructure in place quicker. Bloom had a new ground rolled out by 2011 which saw their turnover increase by 2.5-3 times overnight as it coincided wirh promotion to the Championship- that constitutes a major step forward, significant momentum. Think their average attendance just surged as well from Withdean to Amex coinciding with promotion. Otoh had we rolled the dice in January 2008 we certainly could have done it then. Cardiff spent big AND has the new ground in play by 2009 I think? More revenue. Swansea had a unique philosophy but also a new ground by 2005. You make your posts but without a great deal of context. We could get s new owner tomorrow, he would still have to demonstrate to the League how we would remain within FFP within the next 2 years as one of the Owners and Directors Test questions. EFL have the power to use such measures as they deem necessary to keep regulations upheld.

It is not a good time to buy when we are a) Battling relegation and b) New owners will inherit the current financial position. In the sense that if we have say £1m (ha!) to spend in January under the current ownership under FFP, we would have exactly the same under a new ownership. The EFL regs and our current FFP position see to that.

Just hope we don't get any kind of points deduction or FFP sanctions on top of the current issues. If not now then down the track. I am less worried than I was but it doesn't strike me as a done deal that we are clear.

I look back at the Watford game in mid November and thought that a) It was a a good reaction and b) I rather hoped that it set a benchmark moving forward. Sadly b) Has not been the case. We toughed it out at Rotherham but beyond that well the last two home games have been highly disappointing from this perspective.

All counts towards FFP, so highly doubt it is especially possible.

Were strong until maybe mid October, very happy they went down and much the same side who almost made playoffs previous year. They had a fantastically bad, perhaps record breaking in modern times run of no home win until late February 2021. Tbh just checked- sold Roberts, Cureton and Zamora that season- probably their downfall!

They were a side who seemed to start the season quite strongly then went into sharp decline and almost made the playoffs the year before so though I don't like them at all, you're possibly underselling it a bit. Them missing the playoffs was marvellous, they were top in mid to late March 2000 iirc and yet fell out on the last day, losing at an already relegated Cardiff.

Not especially bothered for Mbappe but ir does suggest that Argentina are relatively classless- don't deny they have and have had a lot of talented or firey players who give them that edge down the years.

Story in Times tonight, for all of Argentina's undoubtedly mix of gifted and spiky players dowm the years they can be very objectionable winners. Rather supports what @Sheltons Army said little while ago.

Fair but £15m?

Good game, atmosphere- just before Christmas. They scored after 27 seconds iirc! People are a bit binary on here about Wilson era IMO. Some decent things, some bad things football for good periods not bad but ultimately failed at the last once and arguably twice given that we finished 3rd in each of 2002-03 and 2003-04.

It eases my FFP concerns a little too, at least in terms of restriction on our activity. I know that the EFL withdrew approval from Derby and their activation of a year option on Marriott as his wage exceeded an embargo limit about 2 years ago but that's fairly unprecedented.

Easier work as a pundit/coach/job at an old club or wirh mates at an old club, more cash for less work- certainly pro rata. Nice warm studio or relatively cushy ambassadorial role eg on one hand, or officiating? From a money and ease of work perspective no brainer. That's forgetting that quite a lot of top flight definitely and quite a few Championship players in theory make enough to be made for life anyway over the course of their career. Tough sell! Of course it depends on the level, the earnings and the profile of the player. Lower down you go, the easier it might be to entice some.

In terms of cost and comparables- I don't know much about him but I see George Hall is linked with Leeds from Birmingham for £15m in January. How does this compare worth wise with say Semenyo- or are such comparisons a bit subjective and pointless. Sofascore says he is an 18 year old midfielder, 1 goal and 1 assist this season so far. Perhaps he has significant potential?

On FB, seen it suggested was 20 pct lower, Exiled Robin suggested 30 pct too.

He deserves it, has knuckled down when out of the side and delivered when in it. Seems to have worked well wirh Conway. It will save a bit on amortisation and presumably a wage reduction. Otoh he is 32- will be 33 next season and 34 in 2024-25 if still here- at what point will his effectiveness start to wane? Not a reflection on him, happens to all players.

Pertaining to our level, the accounts for Birmingham (both club and PLC), Millwall (Holdings and Club) and Bet365- thesr include numbers from 29th March 2021 until 30th March 2022 for Stoke- are due out and remain due out, by the end of the year.

Thanks Dave. Even then it's a pretty pathetic embargo given the amount that a) They appear to have been able to write off to Covid and b) Spend on players as a result. Their wage bill rising by nearly 20 pct in the full year of Covid-19 is a factor that is far from mitigating. Two full backs for a combined fee of £29m in January 2022, then El Ghazi and Van De Beek on loan, Alli albeit on a free initially. Yes Digne sold and Richarlison by end of June 2022. Benitez appointed summer 2021, not cheap- let alone sacking him and replacing wirh Lampard in January. James sold in summer and I suppose departures on free transfers, Begovic, Townsend, Rondon free and Gray for £1.7m- which is a fee. This summer: Tarkowski in- Free. McNeil- Burnley- £20m Onana- Lille- £33m Maupay- Brighton- £15m Garner- Man Utd- £15.5m Gueye- PSG- £2m Range of players out on loan and some will have left on frees but no big fee yet- huge fudge there, PL just seem to have rolled over and accepted absurd Covid losses. I was looking at Leicester the other day. They argued £50m in 2 years which for lost TV, PL, matchday and European revenue in 2020-21 seems eminently reasonable. Not per year but as a whole. Newcastle under £50m, Aston Villa a little over, a range of similar clubs within a similar range of losses. Then you have Everton who seem to be adding that theirs are at the lower level as high as the 3 above combined or maybe a third higher if at the higher level. Covid losses the same? Thanks will have a read, found very little detail in 2022-23 handbook.

Surely the way in which the Football League currently enforce FFP means that until we can freely spend again with the correct headroom- we will have little choice. For all we know we could be working under a Business Plan or other monitoring requirements right now (not an embargo of course).

https://www.goodisonnews.com/2022/12/21/everton-ffp-update-emerges-ahead-of-january-transfer-window/ When we consider the sort of restrictions WE are under, a club allowed to assign £170-220m to Covid, given no loss on say top gate receipts, European revenue- appalling. What sort of Governance by the Premier League is this? Fairly disgusting tbh. The difference in governance standards for the same rules. (Everton posted pre tax losses of £13,070,000 in 2018, £111,845,000 in 2019, £139m in 2020 and £121m in 2021). Covid, FFP allowances and new stadium sure- Upper Loss Limit £105m plus all of these. Pre tax losses of £254m once Covid average factored in. To last season, that £13.07m drops off to be larger last season probably. @chinapig @Davefevs @downendcity @ExiledAjax @CyderInACan How the (wanky) other half live in FFP terms eh. FFP which such T.V. money and loss limits shouldn't be failable anyway, strongly suspect Leicester's losses are markedly lower than Everton's but they seemed to have been restricted badly. Oh and Everton's wage bill rose £28m to 2020-21 from Covid year 1 to 2, no mitigation there.

To some extent agree but more fundamentally selling players at a profit and hoping for said profit to underpin past, present and future expenditure as well as a hope/belief that the market will keep supporting this is just ludicrous. We also ran out of good players to sell- we can blame the collapse in the market if we like but Benrahma, Watkins, Cash, Eze in summer 2020 all went for £10m and more from Championship to PL. I am sure there were others as well but haven't checked specifically for a while. Rodon, Bellingham, Grant too. Benrahma was a loan in the summer, completed in winter 2021.

In so far as the Brownhill transfer for cash then discount for Wells etc went, wasn't the plan- in so far as there was a plan which was debatable- in q sense to replace him with 3 players, 2 minimum? I'd have preferred Vydra however. Yes he had to be sold to maximise financial gain but Henriksen to give a bit more experience centrally, goals from Wells and then arguably Brownhill also gave a bit defensively. Nice idea on paper, whether we for the best out of them is a very different issue.

Add Nyambe to that- three from the one club alone plus a realistic prospect thst Brereton-Diaz could also go on a free this coming summer. That's all from the one club. Reading, Swift is another but I think in the case of Rinomhota, Laurent, Swift FFP will have played its part, Business Plan etc. I wonder if it could be a future factor with our out of contract because clubs have to submit future Financial info to the League and contracts above a certain level can have issues with renewal above a certain amount FFP wise- the EFL withdrew approval of Derby renewing Marriott in summer 2021 as the wage renewal on existing tetms was too high, by way of example.

Reported too that Coventry have paid 5/6 instalments to HMRC. One more and they'll be back in line, embargo lifted and suggested that it'll be ahead of the January window. That's time to pay, how Derby managed to get away with it for so long, well- that debt will have spiralled in that period.