Moaners

[Guest gagebunch]

how can so called fans have an opinion on how we played in a game when they never even watched the game,baffles me ?

[Redcliffe 78]

how can so called fans have an opinion on how we played in a game when they never even watched the game,baffles me ?

Speaking to friends on mobiles who were there, having a laugh in Blackpool now, and knowledge of the game.

[REDOXO]

how can so called fans have an opinion on how we played in a game when they never even watched the game,baffles me ?

Those who didnt attend did listen!

But well done if you went....Whats your thoughts?

[Guest gagebunch]

pathetic,why not go,speaking to friends on the phone,pathetic,and you got an opinion on how the red boys played,laughable

[Guest gagebunch]

we went and my thoughts the best team lost

[Guest gagebunch]

and if we all started going to games and started to proper get behind the team and making plenty of positive noise we WILL start winning lots of games,what we dont need is a negative atmophere like we seem to get on this site

[Guest gagebunch]

i give up

[allyolly]

if you went (i didnt) wot didyou think of the game???

City played good football, had the better chances and deserved to win.

But what do I know... I was in the upper section of the seating.

Its far easier to make a judgement back in bristol.

[Guest gagebunch]

allyolly,now thats what im talking about

[Rob k]

2 seasons of shit football gives people the right to an opinion,

You say we should have won? From what I heard we should have been 2 downby the time we scored anyway?

Tell me, if we should have won then why didn't we?

Why was Maynard taking penalties?

Why did Millen take off Kilkenny?

You were there and clearly have all the answers so let us know.

[megansdad]

2 seasons of shit football gives people the right to an opinion,

You say we should have won? From what I heard we should have been 2 downby the time we scored anyway?

Tell me, if we should have won then why didn't we?

Why was Maynard taking penalties?

Why did Millen take off Kilkenny?

You were there and clearly have all the answers so let us know.

Even listening on the radio i n Dubai it was clear that after the first 10 minutes we dominated the game, played some good attacking football and should have won. The Maynard penalty miss is something that probably cost us 3 points. Not sure who else would have taken it had he not. As for sub of K I think it was because Elliott was being used in a far more attacking role - heard him get headers in numerous times yesterday.

Good to hear from someone who was there that what I heard they saw...

[Rob k]

For a side that dominated how many shots did their keeper have to save? At the end of the day we have just lost again, to a side who had 10 men on the pitch, from what I've heard from people who were there millen got it wrong with his subs, AGAIN

[Red Exile]

Most of the contributors on here who are questioning Keith Millen aren't basing their observations on the state of the club on single matches or single events.

The club has lost its way on and off the pitch. And it's lost thousands of active supporters in the process. There are many people who no longer watch matches home or away who have simply lost interest in the day to day mess that is Bristol City...and would like to see their faith restored. For me that requires change - starting with the appointment of the sort of credible manager who should have stepped in when Coppell left.

As someone who followed the club through the debacles of the early 80s I'd say that we need to skip the shambles that was the immediate post-Dicks era and cut straight to the Cooper revival - with a motivational leader on the touchline and a Board pulling in a direction that supporters can understand.

[Guest Brislingwood Red]

we went and my thoughts the best team lost

Well done you pal but unlike u I don't have money to waste. I'll base my judgement on the fact we've returned without 3 points and that we currently sit 23rd in the table. Being the better team won't keep us in the division, points will. But brownie points to you for going, a better supporter than me perhaps.

[Monkeh]

8 games played 5 defeats says all you need to know

[Kibs]

8 games played 5 defeats says all you need to know

Let's not bring the cold facts into this eh monkeh, You're not allowed unless you went to the game and the hard truth just doesn't suit the argument anyway so let's ignore it.

We are in the mire, we are in free fall. 2 home games coming - we need to start scoring and winning these. History says if you struggle at home, you will be at the wrong end of the table.

[milo1111]

Fancy people moaning at 5 defeats from 8 and 1 win. No goals at home and cup defeat to an awful swindon side. On top of a poor season last year where we were told things would improve after Millen had had a preseason. Now its because they are not his own players.

Let me known when you find some supporters who won't moan and be negative at that sort of form.

We all want the same thing just that some of us feel that our improvement would be better served with adifferent manager than blindly kissing up to the current malaise.

[Oizys]

Fancy people moaning at 5 defeats from 8 and 1 win. No goals at home and cup defeat to an awful swindon side. On top of a poor season last year where we were told things would improve after Millen had had a preseason. Now its because they are not his own players.

Let me known when you find some supporters who won't moan and be negative at that sort of form.

We all want the same thing just that some of us feel that our improvement would be better served with adifferent manager than blindly kissing up to the current malaise.

This is the thing that has frustrated me about the "happy clappers" is that we were awful last season and were told that we should give Millen a pre-season and judge him after that. Now we've had a pre-season and are judging him after seeing no improvement AT ALL...(in fact, regression, I would say) and now we're being told that we should give Millen a chance to get rid of players that are going out of contract next summer so he can build his own team. This time next year if he's still here and at the bottom of whatever league we're in, we'll be told he has to be given time to let the new players settle in.... HOW MANY TIMES WILL THE GOAL POSTS BE MOVED?!?

[Betelgeuse]

I work Saturday mornings so I can''t go to away games but I still have a season ticket. The HOME games I've been to have been terrible, am I allowed to say that? I was expecting us to lose today and we did. If I'm not allowed to moan about away games we lose, does that mean I'm not allowed to celebrate if we win? Basically I should just concentrate on the games I go to. I'll make my own league table from the 23 games I go to and moan about that.

[Kibs]

I work Saturday mornings so I can''t go to away games but I still have a season ticket. The HOME games I've been to have been terrible, am I allowed to say that? I was expecting us to lose today and we did. If I'm not allowed to moan about away games we lose, does that mean I'm not allowed to celebrate if we win? Basically I should just concentrate on the games I go to. I'll make my own league table from the 23 games I go to and moan about that.

Good idea, so where are we in the league based on everones home games only?

[Betelgeuse]

Good idea, so where are we in the league based on everones home games only?

23rd!

p3 w 0 d1 l 2 gf 0 ga 4 pts 1 MOAN MOAN MOAN!

[Kibs]

23rd!

p3 w 0 d1 l 2 gf 0 ga 4 pts 1 MOAN MOAN MOAN!

Moan all you want, you went to these games, you are allowed to moan. It is not even frowned upon by the "Super Fans".

[RedRaw]

why not try reading the thread ,then you will relise i didnt go my comments were based on the other idiots on here who lurk behind there keyboard at 4.45 waiting to write there normal crap, and comment about players/team performance based on there best mates aunties boyfriend who went and txt them id sooner wait and here from someone who actualy went and form my own opinion as for rubbing my belly that would be nice but beaware i do bite , now jog on

So, lets get this straight.........your having a go at people who base their comments based on feedback they've received from people that went yet you have confirmed you didn't go and have based your opinion on feedback given to you by a complete stranger in post #12

Hmmmm......nice double standards

[RedRaw]

how can so called fans have an opinion on how we played in a game when they never even watched the game,baffles me ?

if you went (i didnt) wot didyou think of the game???

City played good football, had the better chances and deserved to win.

But what do I know... I was in the upper section of the seating.

Its far easier to make a judgement back in bristol.

nice one unlucky 2day then, fair play for traveling up n ur right so many nob munchers on here who base there coments on radio n results coyr

why not try reading the thread ,then you will relise i didnt go my comments were based on the other idiots on here who lurk behind there keyboard at 4.45 waiting to write there normal crap, and comment about players/team performance based on there best mates aunties boyfriend who went and txt them id sooner wait and here from someone who actualy went and form my own opinion as for rubbing my belly that would be nice but beaware i do bite , now jog on

Ok einstein.......here's a snapshot of the thread, try reading and pick up on the hypocrisy of what your saying

I'll give you a clue....

Fan A goes to match,sits in the upper section, text his mate at the end of the game to tell him his thoughts......not played well, strange tatics, substitutions etc etc

Fan B goes to match,sits in upper section, posts a comment on the forum about moaners who dont go and tells tells us it was good and we deserved to win.....JSH didn't go but accepts the opinion of Fan B, a complete stranger who posted his thoughts on a message board. JSH then promptly has a pop at people who "write there normal crap and comment about players/team performance based on there best mates aunties boyfriend who went and txt them"

[screech]

well done all on your own to

Maybe John Shaws hair went missing the same time as your valid point.

[RedRaw]

well done all on your own to

Well done on dodging the hypocrisy

[Red Knowle]

So you're telling me city fans around the world who can't get to games can't have an opinion on this board ever? Imagine basing comments on results!! Never heard of such a thing. I've supported City for 22 years, and spent thousands of pounds on my well earn't money, and you're telling me I'm not allowed an opinion on Bristol City? You Sir are a righteous little twit. Fair play that you traveled pal, but don't play all high and mighty with me. Just look at the stats!!! Just ******* looking at them. City can play pretty little triangles all they bloody like, they can have 99% possession with 2,000,001 shots on target, but, if we still lose 1-0 what's the point? Like it not my friend, its a results driven game, and we aren't getting the results no matter how well we played (even against 10 men).

Now roll on your back so I can rub your belly about going.

I went up there yesterday and city played well. people are not making it up. FANS!!!!! on here are here are slagging a team off who were unlucky. Sometimes a win hides a poor performance yesterday hid a lot of positives and a team that looked quite goood at points.

[Robin Ashton]

Can someone make a badge for the superfans?

[RedRaw]

I went up there yesterday and city played well. people are not making it up. FANS!!!!! on here are here are slagging a team off who were unlucky. Sometimes a win hides a poor performance yesterday hid a lot of positives and a team that looked quite goood at points.

I would rather win with a bad performance then still lose after playing "well" especially in our position at the moment

Reason being, if you are playing well and losing their is a fundamental problem which is either not being picked up or being picked up and not being addressed properly

To me, we do have some fundemental problems as the management AND playerscontinue to make the same mistakes and have done so now for 1/2 years

Even with new players, the mistakes keep happening so surely this is down to the coaching and managment

This business of "playing well and losing" and being "unlucky" come across as the early sound bites of a team destined to be in a relegation dog fight

[RedRaw]

just for the record are you fan a or b

Yea you keep on dodging JSH

[Monkeh]

I would rather win with a bad performance then still lose after playing "well" especially in our position at the moment

Reason being, if you are playing well and losing their is a fundamental problem which is either not being picked up or being picked up and not being addressed properly

To me, we do have some fundemental problems as the management AND playerscontinue to make the same mistakes and have done so now for 1/2 years

Even with new players, the mistakes keep happening so surely this is down to the coaching and managment

This business of "playing well and losing" and being "unlucky" come across as the early sound bites of a team destined to be in a relegation dog fight

the fundmental problem is a) millen B) we can't defend set peaces which in turn leads to millen again

The bloke is up there with tinnian Pullis and old russel in all time worst city managers

Sooner he's gone the sooner fans will come back to ashton gate

[exAtyeoMax]

[Pickle Rick]

bad tactics,shit subs ne thoughts

That doesn't really justify why we lost if we were the better team.

I'd use words like unlucky or robbed perhaps.

It would be nice if you thought differently and expressed a methodical view!

[RedRaw]

nothing to dodge your trying to make this something it isnt, but if it makes you happy i will agree with you and bow to your superio knowlege oh mighty one, for give me as iam not worthy

Something it isnt?? all I have done is pulled you up on the fact you were calling people "nob munchers" for having their own opinion based partly on feedback they had received from people that went or the commentary that they heard.............even though you didn't go and were happy to accept feedback from a stranger posting on a forum.....I suppose then in your world that also makes you a "nob muncher"

Lets end this here......

[RedRaw]

[BCAGFC]

You do not get a good idea of a game by listening to it on the radio....end of.

People are obviously entitled to opinions but I would take a persons view who was actually there over someone who was listening to it 200 miles away anyday.

We played well yesterday but didn't get what we fully deserved, the penalty miss was a shocker and cost us the game but who else should have taken it, no McAllister, no Pitman.....only other candidate was Kilkenny.

And don't forget the 4 chances that Elliott had that he should have done far better with.

Some people will always find the negatives as they have an agenda.

BCAGFC

[Monkeh]

You do not get a good idea of a game by listening to it on the radio....end of.

People are obviously entitled to opinions but I would take a persons view who was actually there over someone who was listening to it 200 miles away anyday.

We played well yesterday but didn't get what we fully deserved, the penalty miss was a shocker and cost us the game but who else should have taken it, no McAllister, no Pitman.....only other candidate was Kilkenny.

And don't forget the 4 chances that Elliott had that he should have done far better with.

Some people will always find the negatives as they have an agenda.

BCAGFC

1 win in 8 5 defeats included 0 home wins 0 home goals....managers got to go he isn't good enough and has taken the team backwards just like tinnian did

[Red Knowle]

I would rather win with a bad performance then still lose after playing "well" especially in our position at the moment

Reason being, if you are playing well and losing their is a fundamental problem which is either not being picked up or being picked up and not being addressed properly

To me, we do have some fundemental problems as the management AND playerscontinue to make the same mistakes and have done so now for 1/2 years

Even with new players, the mistakes keep happening so surely this is down to the coaching and managment

This business of "playing well and losing" and being "unlucky" come across as the early sound bites of a team destined to be in a relegation dog fight

Sorry mate but the team pulled themslves back in it and took control of the game. looked good down the flanks as well. not into singling out the individual errors as the effort was put in by the team and they didnt get what they deserved as a team. that is fundamental enough for me.

Very good support from the city fans up there and i will look forward to more of the same saturday.

[BCAGFC]

1 win in 8 5 defeats included 0 home wins 0 home goals....managers got to go he isn't good enough and has taken the team backwards just like tinnian did

You're starting to sound desperate Monkeh, like Chinapig you used to post some sensible stuff, try to take a calm look at things.

Everything is not rosey obviously but we aren't far away, we DESPERATELY need a ball winner/leader at the back (LOUIS CAREY IS NOT THE ANSWER) and we need to tweak the home formation to 352 or play an attacking midfield player in the central 3 of a 451 (Marv is not an attacking player, nor is Skuse, nor is Kilkenny)........one has to go.

We deserved to lose the games against Ipswich, Cardiff & Swindon but deserved something out of Brighton & Leeds, we need a bit of luck, a scruffy offside goal, an own goal, a total fluke.....like other teams have had so far.

BCAGFC

[RedRaw]

Some people will always find the negatives as they have an agenda.

BCAGFC

Yet Millen has been telling us about the "positives" over the last 3/4 games and yet we are still losing and we are still making the same mistakes

People are not finding negatives.......they have been and are still here for all to see;

"I'm not going to say bad luck because I'm sick of saying we deserved more"

"If you defend like that - the goal; it's laughable"

" If you concede like that you're going to lose football matches".

"I don't want to hear about how well we played and that we didn't deserve it. We deserved [to lose 2-1] because we're too naive and too nice".

"We had a poor start and were all over the place"

"They scored and could have had another,"

"The winning goal, it was like watching youth football."

These are all negatives, not found by people with an agenda but feedback from the Manager himself

[Riaz]

You do not get a good idea of a game by listening to it on the radio....end of.

People are obviously entitled to opinions but I would take a persons view who was actually there over someone who was listening to it 200 miles away anyday.

We played well yesterday but didn't get what we fully deserved, the penalty miss was a shocker and cost us the game but who else should have taken it, no McAllister, no Pitman.....only other candidate was Kilkenny.

And don't forget the 4 chances that Elliott had that he should have done far better with.

Some people will always find the negatives as they have an agenda.

BCAGFC

I did'nt go to the game but by all accounts we played well until Millen took off our best player...... I heard that story before... Oh yeah Brighton at home 7 days previous!

Skuse and Elliott first played as a midfield pairing in 2008. After 3 years of watching them countless times, why cant Millen see what's obvious, that we can't keep the ball longer than 5 seconds with them two in midfield??

Millen brought the right player on and took off the player who keeps things together. As i listening at home and he took of Kilkenny, I knew we'd lose that game.

Same old, same old.

[exAtyeoMax]

I would recommend reading the whole thread

I have

[Monkeh]

You're starting to sound desperate Monkeh, like Chinapig you used to post some sensible stuff, try to take a calm look at things.

Everything is not rosey obviously but we aren't far away, we DESPERATELY need a ball winner/leader at the back (LOUIS CAREY IS NOT THE ANSWER) and we need to tweak the home formation to 352 or play an attacking midfield player in the central 3 of a 451 (Marv is not an attacking player, nor is Skuse, nor is Kilkenny)........one has to go.

We deserved to lose the games against Ipswich, Cardiff & Swindon but deserved something out of Brighton & Leeds, we need a bit of luck, a scruffy offside goal, an own goal, a total fluke.....like other teams have had so far.

BCAGFC

i am fed of of the same crap over and over again of the same excuses every flipping week,

SKUSE AND ELLIOT CAN'~T PLAY TOGETHER!!!! our manager is too thick and stubborn to notice this

4-5-1 is no go at home our manager is to thick and stubborn to notice this

Pitman isn't a left winger stead isn't a midfielder Woolford isn't a left back i can go on and on

The man hasn't got a clue and the sooner he's gone the better

what was it 400 went to leeds yesterday 1500 last season 13200 avg home attendance 14500 last season fans are voting with their feet players aren't playing for him his subs are strange at best this is the last 6 months of johnson all over again

He has to go

[RedRaw]

I have

Then I suggest you have a go at understanding what is being said.....

[BCAGFC]

Yet Millen has been telling us about the "positives" over the last 3/4 games and yet we are still losing and we are still making the same mistakes

People are not finding negatives.......they have been and are still here for all to see;

"I'm not going to say bad luck because I'm sick of saying we deserved more"

"If you defend like that - the goal; it's laughable"

" If you concede like that you're going to lose football matches".

"I don't want to hear about how well we played and that we didn't deserve it. We deserved [to lose 2-1] because we're too naive and too nice".

"We had a poor start and were all over the place"

"They scored and could have had another,"

"The winning goal, it was like watching youth football."

These are all negatives, not found by people with an agenda but feedback from the Manager himself

Then the playing personnel has to change but we are stuck with high wage earners (Johnson/Hunt/Cisse/Stewart), signings of previous managers that (most) refuse to go out and play/save us come cash so we can get players in on loan.

Keef tried to improve our defence in the summer by trying to sign some of the best players in this division (they all went to PL clubs), perhaps he set his targets too high but what is the point of signing someone who is not better than what you already have..............previous managers have wasted millions on that course of action.

BCAGFC

[RedRaw]

Then the playing personnel has to change but we are stuck with high wage earners (Johnson/Hunt/Cisse/Stewart), signings of previous managers that (most) refuse to go out and play/save us come cash so we can get players in on loan.

Keef tried to improve our defence in the summer by trying to sign some of the best players in this division (they all went to PL clubs), perhaps he set his targets too high but what is the point of signing someone who is not better than what you already have..............previous managers have wasted millions on that course of action.

BCAGFC

possibly but then again who is coaching these players? aren't we back to the "fundemental" arguement?

[RedRaw]

what max u dare question the all seeing all knowing oracale naughty

If your not going to add to the debate and act like a child then I'm sure the Mods can open an under 6 forum

[BCAGFC]

I did'nt go to the game but by all accounts we played well until Millen took off our best player...... I heard that story before... Oh yeah Brighton at home 7 days previous!

Skuse and Elliott first played as a midfield pairing in 2008. After 3 years of watching them countless times, why cant Millen see what's obvious, that we can't keep the ball longer than 5 seconds with them two in midfield??

Millen brought the right player on and took off the player who keeps things together. As i listening at home and he took of Kilkenny, I knew we'd lose that game.

Same old, same old.

There must have been a reason to take Kilkenny off, my opinion is stamina, he hasn't got buckets loads of it and his running & energy deteriorates as the game reaches the latter stages.

I know as soon as we missed the penalty that we would lose it late on, it always happens, it seems our players suffer from VERY poor concentration levels, they just can;t see a game out.

Our back 4 average age is early 20s, I would hazard a guess that no other team in the Championship has a defence with that inexperience but better/more experienced players just don;t want to come and play for us...................not always the managers fault.

BCAGFC

[BCAGFC]

possibly but then again who is coaching these players? aren't we back to the "fundemental" arguement?

You can't teach players to improve their concentration levels that only comes with experience........perhaps our scouts should look closer at players.

And even then, some will never learn (Louis Carey).

BCAGFC

[BristolNorthEndRed]

how can so called fans have an opinion on how we played in a game when they never even watched the game,baffles me ?

Well done for going, glad you enjoyed it, but, I'm baffled as to why you are baffled.

We took a full strength squad, played against ten men for last 25 mins, and didn't come home with at least a point.

This has to be classed as at least a point dropped. We are going to be up against it if we do not pick up points from these situations.

My opinion, it is a poor result however you look at it.

[BCAGFC]

i am fed of of the same crap over and over again of the same excuses every flipping week,

SKUSE AND ELLIOT CAN'~T PLAY TOGETHER!!!! our manager is too thick and stubborn to notice this

We need 5 in midfield as our defence is so weak, you could argue that our midfield is weak as well.

4-5-1 is no go at home our manager is to thick and stubborn to notice this

We have to play 352 at home & 451 away, we have players that can only play in a certain formation.

Pitman isn't a left winger stead isn't a midfielder Woolford isn't a left back i can go on and on

Stead has played well in games on the left............Baardiff...............Pitman isn;t interested in playing anywhere but up front, his performances when chosen our wide prove that.

The man hasn't got a clue and the sooner he's gone the better

Replacement please & if you would be kind enough to donate to Keefs pay off.

what was it 400 went to leeds yesterday 1500 last season 13200 avg home attendance 14500 last season fans are voting with their feet players aren't playing for him his subs are strange at best this is the last 6 months of johnson all over again

The boys went last season, I would guess they never went yesterday. Home gates are more or less down all across the board.

He has to go

Time will tell, I was 100% behind Keef but doubts are creaping in, he has changed his philosophy from his caretaker days when we played some very good stuff (best since Wilson) but he is gradually going down the GJ route I'm afraid...........

[Monkeh]

I'd pay 10k to get rid of him out of my own pocket

[RedRaw]

You can't teach players to improve their concentration levels that only comes with experience........perhaps our scouts should look closer at players.

And even then, some will never learn (Louis Carey).

BCAGFC

But its not just concentration levels that are the problem......as has been said in this and many other threads

[RedRaw]

ive added thanks i may end up in a under 6s forum but we all no where you will end up you may een be a mod on the nmrus board

my apologies for suggesting you were 6.....its clear your either illiterate, p1ssed or both

[RedRaw]

my apologies for suggesting you were 6.....its clear your either illiterate, p1ssed or both

its a anagram u sad ****t

confirmed

[RedRaw]

yea I can see what you did there....well done

Luckily you for you, I have to pop out now so no further need to embaress yourselff....that said I will be back later

[BCAGFC]

But its not just concentration levels that are the problem......as has been said in this and many other threads

Leeds 2nd goal yesterday was purely down to concentration, nobody noticing that the Leeds player that flicked it on had moved from his original position, nobody picking up McCormack at the far post.

The same could be said for goals in the games against Ipswich (Chopra's 1st), Baaaardiff (1st), Swindon & Brighton.

That is the players fault......not the managers.

BCAGFC

[bucksred]

i give up

Good, best thing you've said. Bye.

[Riaz]

Leeds 2nd goal yesterday was purely down to concentration.

That is the players fault......not the managers

How many times have we conceded goals because of "lack of concentration" ??

It's because our defenders aren't very good... Which was the case last season and Millen has FAILED to sort it.....

[BCAGFC]

How many times have we conceded goals because of "lack of concentration" ??

It's because our defenders aren't very good... Which was the case last season and Millen has FAILED to sort it.....

He has tried to get better in, they wouldn;t come, they wanted PL football.

He tried to improve the squad with better players unlike certain previous managers.

What is the point of bringing in someone who is only good enough for the .

BCAGFC

[Andy Horsman]

How many times have we conceded goals because of "lack of concentration" ??

It's because our defenders aren't very good... Which was the case last season and Millen has FAILED to sort it.....

It's obviously too much to expect a bloke who spent his whole playing career as a centre half to sort the defence out mate, particularly one who we keep being told is a fully qualified highly rated coach, clearly...........

[Kenn Loyal]

You do not get a good idea of a game by listening to it on the radio....end of.

People are obviously entitled to opinions but I would take a persons view who was actually there over someone who was listening to it 200 miles away anyday.

We played well yesterday but didn't get what we fully deserved, the penalty miss was a shocker and cost us the game but who else should have taken it, no McAllister, no Pitman.....only other candidate was Kilkenny.

And don't forget the 4 chances that Elliott had that he should have done far better with.

Some people will always find the negatives as they have an agenda.

BCAGFC

What part of its not yesterday were talking about, millen has had long enough, it aint working simple, not one game but 50.

[bucksred]

How many times have we conceded goals because of "lack of concentration" ??

It's because our defenders aren't very good... Which was the case last season and Millen has FAILED to sort it.....

They were crap the season before that n all...

We have finished the last four seasons on minus goal differences I beleive, which would suggest its been a while since anyone looked seriously at the defence, let alone midfield...

[Riaz]

He has tried to get better in, they wouldn;t come, they wanted PL football.

He tried to improve the squad with better players unlike certain previous managers.

What is the point of bringing in someone who is only good enough for the .

BCAGFC

If those players rejected us, he should have had a back-up plan. The whole summer was long enough to have a few players reject us and for us to move onto other targets...

Excuses for Millen as always...

Yawn

[Keepers Ball]

how can so called fans have an opinion on how we played in a game when they never even watched the game,baffles me ?

Based on a collective of games, as customers people have a right to moan !!!!

[RedRaw]

beanz, to be contined bring back some better banter LOSER

Oh that was banter was it.........wow, I really am behind the times

And there was me thinking you could bring something constructive to this debate rather than just being a mass debater

[Fiale]

There must have been a reason to take Kilkenny off, my opinion is stamina, he hasn't got buckets loads of it and his running & energy deteriorates as the game reaches the latter stages.

I know as soon as we missed the penalty that we would lose it late on, it always happens, it seems our players suffer from VERY poor concentration levels, they just can;t see a game out.

Our back 4 average age is early 20s, I would hazard a guess that no other team in the Championship has a defence with that inexperience but better/more experienced players just don;t want to come and play for us...................not always the managers fault.

BCAGFC

For the last two seasons has it not been a running joke that we always concede in the last few minutes so need to be at least a goal ahead to draw a game ? You would have thought that we would have gotten this sorted out by now. The average age does not matter, there is no difference really to when our back four were averaging in he late 20's, they all train together, play together, get coached together and they all seem to make the same mistakes repeatedly together.

I hope we can start to turn things around soon, hate to see what is happening to the team and fans at the moment - it is becoming more and more toxic, and none of us want that.

[milo1111]

Next weekend cant come quick enough. Leeds away was never going to influence the board. the two home games are critical and i feel we are at the crux of this now.

If we carry yesterdays so say unlucky performance (i didnt go) into those then we should get at least 4 pts. Less than 3 and he'll be gone i reckon.

[BCAGFC]

If those players rejected us, he should have had a back-up plan. The whole summer was long enough to have a few players reject us and for us to move onto other targets...

Excuses for Millen as always...

Yawn

And sign players like Styvar, Maierhofer who were no better than what we already had.

Name me some realistic players we should have gone for then (that's Millen's job is not an excuse).

BCAGFC

[Riaz]

And sign players like Styvar, Maierhofer who were no better than what we already had.

Name me some realistic players we should have gone for then (that's Millen's job is not an excuse).

BCAGFC

Why should I - its totally irrelevant whether i can name some defenders. Football is a hobbie for you and me and its a job for millen. He should be aware of plenty of defenders.

And how is Styvar Mairhofer relevant?