Red Robin Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Millen second favourite for the sack,link below Do they know something we don't :clapping: http://www.thesackrace.com/championship/
Guest MC Risk Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Bookies very rarely get it wrong, so lets hope they also have this correct!!!
Monkeh Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Millen second favourite for the sack,link below Do they know something we don't :clapping: http://www.thesackrace.com/championship/ its based on our recent run, 4 wins in the last 16 with 9 defeats
Alex_BCFC Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 On a poor and probably has a few games to start getting results or game over. I've always said see where we are after 10 games before making a final decision. After these 2 home games we will pretty much know I think.
Guest DelliottBcfc21 Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 They clearly dont know our board...he wont be sacked!
Oizys Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Just out of interest, who's first? Can't access the link at work as gambling sites are blocked.
Guest DelliottBcfc21 Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Just out of interest, who's first? Can't access the link at work as gambling sites are blocked. Mcclaren... haha
Alex_BCFC Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 They clearly dont know our board...he wont be sacked! At least our board don't make rash decisions and we don't go through managers like some teams. They try to at least give managers a chance to turn it around and I think that is the way it should be.
Monkeh Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 At least our board don't make rash decisions and we don't go through managers like some teams. They try to at least give managers a chance to turn it around and I think that is the way it should be. he's had over 54 games 18 wins 11 draws 25 defeats Its not good enough and he's had long enough to show at least an improvement he's brough 8 perm players to the club which 1 make the first team so he's wasted money and not strengthened where it was needed, Fans are staying away and even the mention of protest no matter how stupid it is should make the board sit up and take note, He is out of his depth and at the moment we are only headed in one direction under his management We are aimless directionless and leaderless he has to go
red as fcuk Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 At least our board don't make rash decisions and we don't go through managers like some teams.<br /><br />They try to at least give managers a chance to turn it around and I think that is the way it should be.The rash decision was appointing Millen in the first place!
Redcliffe 78 Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 The rash decision was appointing Millen in the first place! Best comment i have heard on this site in ages to give a three contact too somebody who as never managed at any level let alone one of the most competitive leagues in the world was crazy.
Tim S Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Gus Poyet halfway down that list at 16/1 ???? The job he has done at Brighton he should be nowhere near the middle or the top of that list, Id put him down with Adkins at 33/1
Guest Brislingwood Red Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 I wonder if o'driscoll was given the boot, whether it would speed up sexstone and persuade him to then drop the axe on Millen and appoint him? Just a thought.
Riaz Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Best comment i have heard on this site in ages to give a three contact too somebody who as never managed at any level let alone one of the most competitive leagues in the world was crazy. Every manager has got to start somewhere though. If he turned out to be world class, the chairman would be called brave and receive all the plaudits. I dont think its wrong to give someone there first chance.
Monkeh Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 The rash decision was appointing Millen in the first place! he deserved a chance, he's had it now like tinman,
Redcliffe 78 Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Every manager has got to start somewhere though. If he turned out to be world class, the chairman would be called brave and receive all the plaudits. I dont think its wrong to give someone there first chance. I agree everybody deserves a chance but not 3 years Riaz, one year rolling contract then if you prove yourself we will give you a longer contract common sence imo.
Monkeh Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 I agree everybody deserves a chance but not 3 years Riaz, one year rolling contract then if you prove yourself we will give you a longer contract common sence imo. I've explained this before, City had no choice but to offer him 3 years as he had 3 years left on his assitants contract to offer him less then that is against employment law
Riaz Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 I agree everybody deserves a chance but not 3 years Riaz, one year rolling contract then if you prove yourself we will give you a longer contract common sence imo. He already had a 3yr contract as assistant. So imagine he was simply given a pay rise.
Redcliffe 78 Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 I've explained this before, City had no choice but to offer him 3 years as he had 3 years left on his assitants contract to offer him less then that is against employment law Apologies did not know this was the case.
Monkeh Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Explain to me how Gus Poyet is 10th favourite? because there are only 24 clubs in the league you can only have so many fav's etc
marmite Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 I wonder if o'driscoll was given the boot, whether it would speed up sexstone and persuade him to then drop the axe on Millen and appoint him? Just a thought. The only manager below us in the championship? Maybe wrong time for hom to come here, to much deadwood and too little cash. I also think appointing DJ would AGAIN be classed as the cheap option if it didn't work out. Anyway, we still have KM in charge as I write this! That may not change for a while yet.
red as fcuk Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 he deserved a chance, he's had it now like tinman, Quite possibly, but the whole whirlwind of coppell walking out one minute and Millen walking straight in, just seemed wrong at the time. Was Millen seriously the 2nd best candidate for the job?
Alex_BCFC Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 The rash decision was appointing Millen in the first place! I think it was made quickly because of the problems caused by the departure of Coppell. Had we taken ages to appoint someone new, there would obviously be complaints about that. Sometimes you can't win as the board either way.
Red-Robbo Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 I think it was made quickly because of the problems caused by the departure of Coppell. Had we taken ages to appoint someone new, there would obviously be complaints about that. Sometimes you can't win as the board either way. And, to be fair, our experience of Millen as caretaker manager at that time had been overwhelmingly positive.
Redcliffe 78 Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 I think it was made quickly because of the problems caused by the departure of Coppell. Had we taken ages to appoint someone new, there would obviously be complaints about that. Sometimes you can't win as the board either way. Coppell appointment will haunt the board for a long time, when you interview somebody you have to see if the ambition is there still especially with Coppell after his break from the game, he let them down big time and should be ashamed of himself but he did it before at Man C and i still blame him partly know for the situation at the club.
pride of the west Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 I also think appointing DJ would AGAIN be classed as the cheap option if it didn't work out. You say this but his salary would probably make him one of the highest paid managers in the championship. granted if he did step up then it would be the cheap option as we wouldnt need to pay for another manager. Next summer is the biggest summer we will have for a long time. This is when we need to get things right. Whoevers in charge will effectively be given a clean slate with so many out of contact. we will then be in a position to bring in 5 quality players on top wages. Hopefully we will still be in this league then but this is the one chance the board has to start from scratch and pump money into the team and a manager they trust. Do they continue with Millen and see that this is his time to show his worth where he can really mould the squad? or do they opt for someone with experience in gaining promotion and let them bring in the necessary requirements? I know what I would do with the infornmation available to me now. Knowing that only a quater of millens purchases currently make the 1st team and we were snubbed by quite a few players over the last few months, which im convinced playing for Millen did not excite them, a new man has to be in place by the summer. The only way Millen will survive in my eyes is if we are hovering in and around the playoffs for the rest of the year. he will then show he has got the ability and a summer sorting the chaf from the wheat will be handed to him. But I dont think the board have the minerals to sack him whilst we are still in this league.
Monkeh Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 You say this but his salary would probably make him one of the highest paid managers in the championship. granted if he did step up then it would be the cheap option as we wouldnt need to pay for another manager. Next summer is the biggest summer we will have for a long time. This is when we need to get things right. Whoevers in charge will effectively be given a clean slate with so many out of contact. we will then be in a position to bring in 5 quality players on top wages. Hopefully we will still be in this league then but this is the one chance the board has to start from scratch and pump money into the team and a manager they trust. Do they continue with Millen and see that this is his time to show his worth where he can really mould the squad? or do they opt for someone with experience in gaining promotion and let them bring in the necessary requirements? I know what I would do with the infornmation available to me now. Knowing that only a quater of millens purchases currently make the 1st team and we were snubbed by quite a few players over the last few months, which im convinced playing for Millen did not excite them, a new man has to be in place by the summer. The only way Millen will survive in my eyes is if we are hovering in and around the playoffs for the rest of the year. he will then show he has got the ability and a summer sorting the chaf from the wheat will be handed to him. But I dont think the board have the minerals to sack him whilst we are still in this league. we won't as we will be in league one
pride of the west Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Quite possibly, but the whole whirlwind of coppell walking out one minute and Millen walking straight in, just seemed wrong at the time. Was Millen seriously the 2nd best candidate for the job? You have to remember that the available managers would not have changed that much from when coppell was given the job. It would have been embarasing for the board to aproach someone they said no to only 4 months previously. If you applied for a job and got told thanks but no thanks, would you apply again in 4 months time if the same job was advertised? I wouldnt. Id think to my self stuff em. I wernt good enough for them then so fek em.
marmite Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 You have to remember that the available managers would not have changed that much from when coppell was given the job. It would have been embarasing for the board to aproach someone they said no to only 4 months previously. If you applied for a job and got told thanks but no thanks, would you apply again in 4 months time if the same job was advertised? I wouldnt. Id think to my self stuff em. I wernt good enough for them then so fek em. What a shame KM didn't think that!!
Mr Gow Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Millen should have been given the care takers role yet again when SC left. This would have given the club A,time to make the right appointment B, to have gauged Millen in a longer time scale and C, both A and B But for some strange reason SL wanted Millen signed on the dotted line with immediate affect, a decsion that a lot of fans thought could bite SL on the bum at the time. We have a great owner but im affraid he has made a few unwise decsions Plus i would dearly love to know the real reason why Coppell left
red as fcuk Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 What a shame KM didn't think that!! Nail on head!
brady bunch Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 McClaren is top mostly as he is laying into the owners for not spending at Forest. It was probably the right thing to do at the time to give the job to Millen, but it has not worked out. and he needs to go. The football has been mainly dreadful to watch (even some of the wins!!), As someone who has to travel along way to home games and is a POTD. The cost of about £70 a game for me makes limit the number of games I watch. The total drosh on display at present reminds of the bad old days of Russell Osman.
RedZepperin Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Millen should have been given the care takers role yet again when SC left. Maybe SL and KM came to some agreement whereby he would take on the manager's role and see how he got on. SL might invoke some unwritten clause, now that it is clear that KM is not up to it. Someone else comes in and KM reverts to a secondary role. A sort of long-term caretaker. It's not a completely ludicrous scenario and might explain why Keith is so discreet and doesn't throw his weight around. Plus i would dearly love to know the real reason why Coppell left I think, purely and simply, he never really wanted the job in the first place. As he confessed to someone when he was approached about the job (he never applied for it) and as published on here. And as borne out by his decision to take a couple of months off before actually turning up to work for the first time (having taken a year off already).
TRL Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 I've explained this before, City had no choice but to offer him 3 years as he had 3 years left on his assitants contract to offer him less then that is against employment law It is also A legal requirement to advertise a job and have more than I person interviewed for the position. Didn't see that happen at city! Unless football is not covered by it. Can anyone shed any light?
Riaz Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 It is also A legal requirement to advertise a job and have more than I person interviewed for the position. Didn't see that happen at city! Unless football is not covered by it. Can anyone shed any light? There is no such legal requirement. I think your getting mixed up with jobs in the public sector
Red Robin Posted September 20, 2011 Author Posted September 20, 2011 There is no such legal requirement. I think your getting mixed up with jobs in the public sector I think you will find the person will be lined up ready to take over,the club will not want the scenario of coppell gate. If the club are serious of keeping their championship status,I would image the wheels are in motion. paying of millen would be a cheap option,relagation would be costly and devastating for Bristol City FC. costs millions in lost revinue. give us the news we all want to hear
Riaz Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 I think you will find the person will be lined up ready to take over,the club will not want the scenario of coppell gate. If the club are serious of keeping their championship status,I would image the wheels are in motion. paying of millen would be a cheap option,relagation would be costly and devastating for Bristol City FC. costs millions in lost revinue. give us the news we all want to hear Agreed and hope you are right.
Monkeh Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 There is no such legal requirement. I think your getting mixed up with jobs in the public sector I started my career in H/R in the private sector mate there is a rule its standard employment law, Its the same if you have a "change of job title" so say if teflon got bumped back to coach City couldn't drop his money they'd have to pay him a manager rate, Which is why when a manager "leaves" a club but stays with said club they become director of football
North London Red Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 Explain to me how Gus Poyet is 10th favourite? Poyet is 10th favourite because the odds quoted (which are from Victor Chandler)are on 'next manager to leave his post' (which includes managers who resign) rather than on 'next manager to be sacked': http://www.victorchandler.com/vcbet/en-gb/coupon/show/3/126456098/2839/10976/6301378/1 Poyet would be among the favourites for any premier league jobs which become available, hence his odds being shorter than expected.
Riaz Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 I started my career in H/R in the private sector mate there is a rule its standard employment law, Its the same if you have a "change of job title" so say if teflon got bumped back to coach City couldn't drop his money they'd have to pay him a manager rate, Which is why when a manager "leaves" a club but stays with said club they become director of football We would obviously have to fulfil our obligations in the managers contract - continue to pay him to the end of his contract or pay him up. But there is no law which states that every job needs to be advertised (see here) - it just would'nt make sense anyway. Although i'm sure many big companies adopt such a policy to ensure transparency. I personnally dont agree with it at all.
... Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 Can anyone ever see Millen moving BCFC forward? The best I can ever see him doing is keeping City in the Championship - just - if we are lucky. He ain't got what it takes, and we can only regress under his leadership. I nice bloke, possibly a reasonable coach, but a Championship manager no. Nor will he be in six months. Meanwhile the squad is more than good enough to achieve at least mid-table comfort. This is not being achieved for one reason: Millen. Sorry Keith.
chriskoi Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 Anyone notice who is second fav in league 2 ?
Red Robin Posted September 20, 2011 Author Posted September 20, 2011 Can anyone ever see Millen moving BCFC forward? The best I can ever see him doing is keeping City in the Championship - just - if we are lucky. He ain't got what it takes, and we can only regress under his leadership. I nice bloke, possibly a reasonable coach, but a Championship manager no. Nor will he be in six months. Meanwhile the squad is more than good enough to achieve at least mid-table comfort. This is not being achieved for one reason: Millen. Sorry Keith. Defiantly enough quality in the squad,the ship is rudderless at the moment,we need a capton to get the ship back on course. Billy Davis or SOD or Ian holloway.
... Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 Defiantly enough quality in the squad,the ship is rudderless at the moment,we need a capton to get the ship back on course. Billy Davis or SOD or Ian holloway. "Ian Holloway?" "Ian Holloway??" ARE YOU F@£$%&G SERIOUS?? I can see the plaque on the managers door at BCFC: "Ian Holloway" Over my dead body. "MODS, MODS - this is hate crimes against BCFC".
Mad Cyril Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 The rash decision was appointing Millen in the first place! Total rubbish and based on hindsight and fairy tale. If you recall we had just interviewed and turned down every manager interested in taking the role, chosing to tell them they were no better than second choice to Coppell. How do you expect to go back to said bunch of rejects, and ask one of them to step in following a recount???!! That would have been a complete waste of time for all cconcerned. Reality was and remains that Millen was the only option and the right decision at the time in the circumstances. If you dont like that with the benefit of hindsight, write to Mr Coppell - dont blame either the board or Millen himself. Crap set of circumstances and crap timing. Get over it. You are of ourse entitled to your opinion on what to do about the situation now.
mcbcfc Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 Total rubbish and based on hindsight and fairy tale. If you recall we had just interviewed and turned down every manager interested in taking the role, chosing to tell them they were no better than second choice to Coppell. How do you expect to go back to said bunch of rejects, and ask one of them to step in following a recount???!! That would have been a complete waste of time for all cconcerned. Reality was and remains that Millen was the only option and the right decision at the time in the circumstances. If you dont like that with the benefit of hindsight, write to Mr Coppell - dont blame either the board or Millen himself. Crap set of circumstances and crap timing. Get over it. You are of ourse entitled to your opinion on what to do about the situation now. We didn't interview anyone else. Lansdown said the board got together decided Copout was their man and went after him. There were plenty of managers out there who had we asked to send in c.vs would have
Mad Cyril Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 We didn't interview anyone else. Lansdown said the board got together decided Copout was their man and went after him. There were plenty of managers out there who had we asked to send in c.vs would have Ok ,but the point is we blew out the other candidates and told them that. That is end of story - it is a sad man who takes the second offer coz we are suddenly stuffed and desperate. Certainly not the kind of leader we would want. As a certain Mr Holloway would say -"If a bird at the bar blows you out when you come on to her, you are truely one sad loser if you then accept her advances several hours later when she is still single at closing time and drifts back to you having exhausted all her other options...." Naturally, this argument falls down if said bird is a cracking piece of Frippet. As far as i know, no Frippet applied for the job in the summer mind. And it would have been wrong of the board to approach any potential female candidates based on their rack. (er, have I just triggered a ban?)
Red Robin Posted September 20, 2011 Author Posted September 20, 2011 <br />Defiantly enough quality in the squad,the ship is rudderless at the moment,we need a captain to get the ship back on course.;Billy Davis or SOD or Ian holloway.
red as fcuk Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 Total rubbish and based on hindsight and fairy tale. If you recall we had just interviewed and turned down every manager interested in taking the role, chosing to tell them they were no better than second choice to Coppell. How do you expect to go back to said bunch of rejects, and ask one of them to step in following a recount???!! That would have been a complete waste of time for all cconcerned. Reality was and remains that Millen was the only option and the right decision at the time in the circumstances. If you dont like that with the benefit of hindsight, write to Mr Coppell - dont blame either the board or Millen himself. Crap set of circumstances and crap timing. Get over it. You are of ourse entitled to your opinion on what to do about the situation now. So appointing a manager THE SAME DAY the previous one walks out, was the only option? You are truely mad, cyril. But of course you are entitled to your own opinion.
mcbcfc Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 Ok ,but the point is we blew out the other candidates and told them that. That is end of story - it is a sad man who takes the second offer coz we are suddenly stuffed and desperate. Certainly not the kind of leader we would want. As a certain Mr Holloway would say -"If a bird at the bar blows you out when you come on to her, you are truely one sad loser if you then accept her advances several hours later when she is still single at closing time and drifts back to you having exhausted all her other options...." Naturally, this argument falls down if said bird is a cracking piece of Frippet. As far as i know, no Frippet applied for the job in the summer mind. And it would have been wrong of the board to approach any potential female candidates based on their rack. (er, have I just triggered a ban?) Nobody knew coppell would walk out. If lansdown really thought that would he have appointed him? Hell no. The fact is for whatever reason we had a managers vacancy and there should have been the invitation for others to apply. If Millen want to apply thats fine if after sorting through the applicants Millen was thought to be the best candidate then fine. But we rushed him into the job without looking at what else was out there, why was he not ready for the job in the March/April but ready in September? We would also not of have had any applications over the summer as coppell was appointed in the March/April. We had no reason to tell anyone they wouldn't be getting the job because there was only one candidate. ps are frippets like crumpets?
Mad Cyril Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 So appointing a manager THE SAME DAY the previous one walks out, was the only option? You are truely mad, cyril. But of course you are entitled to your own opinion. No - the other option was to open up the application process all over again, and leave the team in turmoil when we all know how important it is to maximise the chances of a good start to the season.. My point is this would be pointless - the candidates available/interested/affordable in August were no different to those available/interested/affordable at the start of the summer. With the exception of all of them, because realistically would they say yes please having so recently received a message of no thanks. Would you take that offer? I would suggest not.
marmite Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 No - the other option was to open up the application process all over again, and leave the team in turmoil when we all know how important it is to maximise the chances of a good start to the season.. My point is this would be pointless - the candidates available/interested/affordable in August were no different to those available/interested/affordable at the start of the summer. With the exception of all of them, because realistically would they say yes please having so recently received a message of no thanks. Would you take that offer? I would suggest not. Millen did!
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