Just Don't Go

[bs3]

Millen is not going to get the sack.

A point today have saved his job for the next two months so the only way to get rid of him now is to boycott the games.

If you love this club for god sake stay away on Tuesday and show Lansdown what we think of the way he is running the club.

[Slave to the rhythm]

Millen is not going to get the sack.

A point today have saved his job for the next two months so the only way to get rid of him now is to boycott the games.

If you love this club for god sake stay away on Tuesday and show Lansdown what we think of the way he is running the club.

Balls to that. Come along on Tuesday and watch history repeat itself as we kickstart our season by beating Reading.

[bs3]

Oh FFS

[Forza Revolution]

Millen is not going to get the sack.

A point today have saved his job for the next two months so the only way to get rid of him now is to boycott the games.

If you love this club for god sake stay away on Tuesday and show Lansdown what we think of the way he is running the club.

+6

[Slave to the rhythm]

Oh FFS

How can a City fan encourage other City fans not to attend a crucial home game? Bizarre.

[bs3]

How can a City fan encourage other City fans not to attend a crucial home game? Bizarre.

Because I can see the bigger picture. Not bizarre. I just want to see the best for this club.

[Sargent Pepper]

I support the club not the manager or the players. While I can afford it I will be there whether we are top of the league or bottom, prem or non league, I will be there. I'm by no means a super fan but in my 26 years of watching City there has only been one time I thought about not attending and that was not because of the doubtless periods of poor football we have suffered over the years, but because of the Home support creating a bad atmosphere toward OUR team.IM CITY TILL I DIE, IM CITY TILL I DIE, I KNOW I AM, IM SURE I AM, IM.CITY TILL I DIE!

[Webzcas]

Because I can see the bigger picture. Not bizarre. I just want to see the best for this club.

This.

[Calculus]

Because I can see the bigger picture. Not bizarre. I just want to see the best for this club.

Hilarious. God, I despair, I really do. A couple of wins from mid table and the world's at its end and we're talking of boycotts. I honestly hope you never have to handle a real problem in life.

The bigger picture is that this club's strategy is to tread water for a while until we can get a new stadium, better income streams and a clear out of the many players we don't want. Will a new manager suddenly clean out the squad? No. Will a new manager sign loads of good new players? No - we're rightly trying to straighten out the finances and anyway the window doesn't want open until January.

There have been a few signs of us playing a bit better but things certainly aren't great. How about everybody supports the club and its manager and we see where we are at the end on November - if it's still desperate a change then would give a new man a month to assess before the window opens.

In the meantime, please explain how depriving our club of support and income is 'big picture' thinking.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Hilarious. God, I depair, I really do. A couple of wins from mid table and the world's at its end and we're talking of boycotts. I honestly hope you never have to handle a real problem in life.

The bigger picture is that this club's strategy is to tread water for a while until we can get a new stadium, better income streams and a clear out of the many players we don't want. Will a new manager suddenly clean out the squad? No. Will a new manager sign loads of good new players? No - we're rightly trying to straighten out the finances and anyway the window doesn't want open until January.

There have been a few signs of us playing a bit better but things certainly aren't great. How about everybody supports the club and its manager and we see where we are at the end on November - if it's still desperate a change then would give a new man a month to assess before the window opens.

In the meantime, please explain how depriving our club of support and income is 'big picture' thinking.

Because Millen is taking us to hell in a hand cart, even Donald is beginning to see that.

[bs3]

Utter utter crap. There is not the policy to do sweat FA until we have a new stadium . That thinking is just idiotic.

[Calculus]

Utter utter crap. There is not the policy to do sweat FA until we have a new stadium . That thinking is just idiotic.

Oh, I think that we're trying stay in the Championship and no more at this stage. Surely you didn't take the signings of Kilkenny, Taylor and Bolassie as evidence of a determined push to the Prem.

[Rocky]

I know ST holders who are not going back until Keef goes. He's not the man to take this club forward.

[bs3]

If you tread water in this league you go backwards. Why have a crap useless inept manager until we have a new stadium . Why have a crap manager just because we have a bloated squad .

Your point of view make no sense what so ever.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Oh, I think that we're trying stay in the Championship and no more at this stage. Surely you didn't take the signings of Kilkenny, Taylor and Bolassie as evidence of a determined push to the Prem.

So why did our leader tell us he expected us to push for promotion on 2 separate occasions before the season started? oh yes and no excuses?.

[Andy Horsman]

Hilarious. God, I despair, I really do. A couple of wins from mid table and the world's at its end and we're talking of boycotts. I honestly hope you never have to handle a real problem in life.

The bigger picture is that this club's strategy is to tread water for a while until we can get a new stadium, better income streams and a clear out of the many players we don't want. Will a new manager suddenly clean out the squad? No. Will a new manager sign loads of good new players? No - we're rightly trying to straighten out the finances and anyway the window doesn't want open until January.

There have been a few signs of us playing a bit better but things certainly aren't great. How about everybody supports the club and its manager and we see where we are at the end on November - if it's still desperate a change then would give a new man a month to assess before the window opens.

In the meantime, please explain how depriving our club of support and income is 'big picture' thinking.

Hilarious, someone naive enough to believe that there is actually a guiding hand on the tiller of HMS Ashton Gate, a ship repeatedly hitting Icebergs with a hull made of glass (to develop your nautical theme). City are going to hell in a handcart. Soulless performances, empty seats, a manager out of his depth....welcome to the biggest ugliest picture.......Don't personally believe in a boycott as such, I would rather be there, in person, to express my dissatisfaction, but I sympathise whole heartedly with BS3's sentiments.

[spudski]

Hilarious. God, I despair, I really do. A couple of wins from mid table and the world's at its end and we're talking of boycotts. I honestly hope you never have to handle a real problem in life.

The bigger picture is that this club's strategy is to tread water for a while until we can get a new stadium, better income streams and a clear out of the many players we don't want. Will a new manager suddenly clean out the squad? No. Will a new manager sign loads of good new players? No - we're rightly trying to straighten out the finances and anyway the window doesn't want open until January.

There have been a few signs of us playing a bit better but things certainly aren't great. How about everybody supports the club and its manager and we see where we are at the end on November - if it's still desperate a change then would give a new man a month to assess before the window opens.

In the meantime, please explain how depriving our club of support and income is 'big picture' thinking.

In the same instance... How is giving a Rookie Manager a 3 year contract, and signing useless players on massive wages thinking of the 'big picture'?

Bristol City may be 'our Club'....But that Club is made up of individuals right now, that pretty much every City fan i know, doesn't feel any particulat love for. It may as well be a bunch of Martians playing for us.

Whilst this Club is 'treading water' you still expect fans to turn up and spend their hard earned cash, during a massive recession, just to line the pockets of these underachieving players, who will be off playing for some other club soon?

It's about time the Club actually started thinking about it's responsibility to Entertain the fans in return for their support. At the moment, they are taking the fans for granted and taking the piss.

BCFC was a Club i once loved...but right now I couldn't give a shit about it, because i feel the players and staff playing for our Club couldn't give a shit about it either.

[Calculus]

So why did our leader tell us he expected us to push for promotion on 2 separate occasions before the season started? oh yes and no excuses?.

... and not just the leader - the whole club said it and it was big part of selling season tickets amd shirts. Major b*llshi*t of course and a justifiable complaint for all fans, but am not sure that honesty would have been acceptable either. I think we've just go to settle back and hope of mid table at best. Keith will get sacked if are still looking like relegation candidates as we near Christmas - but much as I'm worried I don't see the point of doing it now.

[bs3]

We could be down by Christmas .

You are under the impression that we can just win a few games at the end of the season just to stay up. How long have you been a city fan because guest what ! Football is not like that.

[reddoc]

The simple question that needs to be answered is, does Lansdown still have any interest in this club? Does his imported lacky board actually have a mandate to do anything to reverse this freefall we're witnessing or is he running down our club with a view to offloading , and until this aim is achieved we'll continue to spiral downwards with Millen at the helm. We've heard nothing from those in charge for far too long, No wonder Millen's happy. Who needs a vote of confidence if they don't care one way or another.

[Red Robin]

Spineless comes to mind pete,let's have some news from this board.why so quite?

[reddoc]

In my opinion? Because that's the instructions they've recieved. Sexton, Lansdowns son and the other one. Stinks.

[Calculus]

We could be down by Christmas .

You are under the impression that we can just win a few games at the end of the season just to stay up. How long have you been a city fan because guest what ! Football is not like that.

How long? On and off for 35 years with the last 15 as a season ticket holder.

What gets me about the whole anti-Keith stuff is that it just ain't fair. We lost £12m last year and according to reports are going to do the same again this. The board have promised the earth to fans but then cut spending until we can off load some of the players signed on long contracts by other mamagers. Keith was a rookie but the poor s*d has inherited a terrible position. And we have been here before and as a result of decisions taken to a few still on the board. Remember Fawthrop, Tinnion? Remember the economy drive that saw Wilson go and Tinnion come in, quickly followed by the spending spree under Johnson and Copple and then spending freeze again under Millen.

Keith isn't the problem - getting rid now will only give someone new an impossible job.

[Chappers]

Judging by this Forum we will be at capacity if Millen goes! No wonder SL is getting pissed off, if fans can't be arsed getting behind the Club when things aren't good, why should he keep chucking money at the Club. As for this treading water stuff, it is not popssible for any Club to move upwards indefinitely, and we are just paying the price of the previous two managers poor spending, and Johnsons complete lack of foresight.

[Guest Bored Dilemma]

Look - despite the bloke's vast wealth it can't be great fun to drop 11m last yr and budgeted 12m this - i for one am thankful for SL. Problem is those same skills that got him to where he is don't translate as yet to creating a great football team. He appoints a chairman but remains in charge, a manager who appears to have no leverage. The board need to take a risk now and be smart. Not like when Newcastle fired Robson for Souness ie not a knee jerk reaction. But hire someone who will take power AWAY from them. Come on!!!!

[CiderHider]

Millen is not going to get the sack.

A point today have saved his job for the next two months so the only way to get rid of him now is to boycott the games.

If you love this club for god sake stay away on Tuesday and show Lansdown what we think of the way he is running the club.

I expect SL would be impressed that you care enough to deprive yourself, self sacrafice is a noble thing and worthy of song

[DOLMANDAN]

I know ST holders who are not going back until Keef goes. He's not the man to take this club forward.

+1 sorry but i have had enough no one knows how gutted i am or how bad i feel

[Andy Horsman]

How long? On and off for 35 years with the last 15 as a season ticket holder.

What gets me about the whole anti-Keith stuff is that it just ain't fair. We lost £12m last year and according to reports are going to do the same again this. The board have promised the earth to fans but then cut spending until we can off load some of the players signed on long contracts by other mamagers. Keith was a rookie but the poor s*d has inherited a terrible position. And we have been here before and as a result of decisions taken to a few still on the board. Remember Fawthrop, Tinnion? Remember the economy drive that saw Wilson go and Tinnion come in, quickly followed by the spending spree under Johnson and Copple and then spending freeze again under Millen.

Keith isn't the problem - getting rid now will only give someone new an impossible job.

Disagree, Johnson and Coppell are not stood arms folded on the touchline, picking the team, making the bizarre substitutions , playing players out of position etc etc etc.Millen is and he has been found out.

[reddoc]

I expect SL would be impressed that you care enough to deprive yourself, self sacrafice is a noble thing and worthy of song

Your suggesting not going is sacificing what? Enjoyment ? Entertainment? The burger from outside the ground? I personally am getting slightly hooked on the misery but that's an individual taste.

[Forza Revolution]

We should all be seriously worried, we could seriously be back in leauge 1 this time next year!

[spudski]

Regardless of money...How often does SL go to support the Club physically these days?

[milo1111]

Do those citing the need to cut budgets understand that even if millen keeps us up we'll sell about 6k season tickets next year if he is still there.

So many excuses. its pathetic. Never millens fault is it. The squad isnt as bad as he is making it look.

[bucksred]

Hilarious, someone naive enough to believe that there is actually a guiding hand on the tiller of HMS Ashton Gate, a ship repeatedly hitting Icebergs with a hull made of glass (to develop your nautical theme). City are going to hell in a handcart. Soulless performances, empty seats, a manager out of his depth....welcome to the biggest ugliest picture.......Don't personally believe in a boycott as such, I would rather be there, in person, to express my dissatisfaction, but I sympathise whole heartedly with BS3's sentiments.

Spot on Andy, we spoke about this today.....dont let the deluded few kid anyone, 20 minutes of half decent football once Pitman came on sure as hell do not disguise the cluster**** Millens "management" is gonna leave City.

Not at you, but the dwindling band of true beleivers:

For the attention of the deluded few who beleive Millen is the second coming, and that they represent the mass of City fans few, try another record, every City fan I meet, and listening to them all trudging up to the theatre of nightmares, I dint hear a single ******* one have any support for Teflon.

Another thing for your delectation true beleivers, I heard something I have NEVER EVER heard in all my almost thirty years of coming to the Gate, is loud chants of Millen Out, and we want Millen out from the normally fiercely loyal EE today.

I'll still keep coming cos like you sanctimonious few, I have City in my blood, not a hugely over rated, hugely underwhelming "manager" and I have seen a few bad ones over the years, and quite frankly I would rather have Wilson, Ward, Smith or Lumsden back rather than this inept mess. Christ even bloody Benny would be better

[Ron]

Regardless of money...How often does SL go to support the Club physically these days?

SL was in the ground this afternoon.

[Redcliffe 78]

I support the club not the manager or the players. While I can afford it I will be there whether we are top of the league or bottom, prem or non league, I will be there. I'm by no means a super fan but in my 26 years of watching City there has only been one time I thought about not attending and that was not because of the doubtless periods of poor football we have suffered over the years, but because of the Home support creating a bad atmosphere toward OUR team.IM CITY TILL I DIE, IM CITY TILL I DIE, I KNOW I AM, IM SURE I AM, IM.CITY TILL I DIE!

If a majority of the fans are saying or creating a bad atmosphere as you say doesn't that say something to you at the moment things are pretty poor and there is no signs of improvement, and with certain fans now turning on Maynard can it get any worse?.

[TRL]

Regardless of money...How often does SL go to support the Club physically these days?

Thats the problem, i think he come back to england something like 35 days a year, or he has to pay a mass of tax.

So he can't watch many games if he wants to keep money that can keep this club ticking over.

Between a rock and a hard place is Lansdown

[Redcliffe 78]

Thats the problem, i think he come back to england something like 35 days a year, or he has to pay a mass of tax.

So he can't watch many games if he wants to keep money that can keep this club ticking over.

Between a rock and a hard place is Lansdown

Lansdown has put people in charge to do the job his son included, he can only be in the country you are right so many days a year because of tax reason's and with the government in this country i don't blame him, but with technology he can be at every board meeting and when it comes to massive decision that he will have to make over the next few months i'm sure he will take the short flight to a meeting, then again with his money he could be in and out of the country for a 2hr meeting without anybody knowing.

[ThePartTimer]

SL was in the ground this afternoon.

Then he must act. Today just wasn't good enough and I just hope he sees that and thanks Millen for his efforts and gets a proper manager (Jones or O'Driscoll) to take us to safety

[Ron]

If SL has any ambitions of promotion he won't touch O'Driscoll or Jones.

[Redcliffe 78]

If SL has any ambitions of promotion he won't touch O'Driscoll or Jones.

[/quote

Jones will stabilize the club in my honest op ion keep us up with this squad of players, give him time after that if it doesn't work he goes but we bring in a manager that helps us go forward. Promotion is a big dream away stay up build for two season's then go again, this was the plan with Millen he stabilized last year but god we are not even near pedaling this year we are in a worst position than when he took over last year, lets give him to Christmas shall we.

[Sargent Pepper]

<br />If a majority of the fans are saying or creating a bad atmosphere as you say doesn't that say something to you at the moment things are pretty poor and there is no signs of improvement, and with certain fans now turning on Maynard can it get any worse?.<br />

<br /><br /><br />

I was referring to the time under Osman.

While I am starting to think we may need a change of leadership ( although not from today as i thought we were the better side throughout today) I find this board increasingly hard to read. It seems some are just happy to stick the knife in and people are glad to have the opportunity. Some will just pick on there least favourite player, some will question anything and everything the manager says. (Pitman said similar to KM, yet no one is questioning his logic) and at least one regular poster seems he'll bent on blaming the man responsible for getting us out of the dire league one and who is now trying to get the club on an even finical keel and self sufficient.

The scary thing is, people here fail to realise that at some point we will be relegated. I'm not saying we should give up without a fight or that it will be anytime soon, but for a club like us it is an eventuality and if fans are gonna start boycotting games because we dare to struggle in a decent division then I wonder what the long term future will hold for us.

You may not agree with the current situation, but the club is bigger than any of us and it's times like these we need to pull together

[ciderup]

SL is allowed to spend 90 days on the mainland without incurring taxation penaties FYI.

This ST holder of 36 years is another who has now decided not to attend anymore until MIllen is gone. I adore our club and cannot watch this useless pillock destroy it!

For fans who hold ST's to not attend surely tells a story or am I being too obvious?

Please, please board, give us a chance of staying up.

Get shot FFS and give any new Manager the opportunity to save our arses before clearing the decks next summer.

With Millen at the helm, it's L1 and financial troubles, no doubt about it!

[Slave to the rhythm]

Been saying for ages, Lansdown just wants AV built so to sell to a new owner to get some wedge back.

Been roundly shouted down by 10 seconds of sex...

Makes total sence.Lansdown wants a new toy and wants his money back.

AV = best chance to get new buyer for championship club in big city in new ground.

Simple as.

There will be no more money,no new manager and if you could turn back time Lansdown would have taken Leicesters 4 mil if he knew Maynard was a sulky sod (which he should have done and thats why hes losing 12 mil a year - cos he knows FA about football).

2014 will see BCFC playing in L1 in front of 6000 if we are not very lucky.

The only thing we can do is to put pressure on Lansdown to see that Millen getting the boot is in his best interests.

A boycott will work,yes some have paid for season tickets...but take away walk-ups, catering and beer loses,nil income from merchandise and the bottom line gets even lower and 12 mil will be 25 mil by the end of this year.

There are very few teams left to bring 1000+ to AG this year.

Times are tight and if even Hull City can only bring a few hundred in good weather then how many are other teams bring once the winter comes.

I can see sub 10,000 crowds by December if this carries on.

What an economic genius you are. Your solution to the current problems is to deliberately try to make things even worse.

[Guest Mangotsfield Red]

SX225-you've made some pretty major assumptions. How do you know Lansdown wants out and how on earth will a boycott work? All proper city fans need to do their job and support the club. I'll be at AG on Tues because City are in my blood. COYR...

[spudski]

SX225-you've made some pretty major assumptions. How do you know Lansdown wants out and how on earth will a boycott work? All proper city fans need to do their job and support the club. I'll be at AG on Tues because City are in my blood. COYR...

I'm going on Tuesday, because i've arranged to meet a friend who's a season ticket holder and is driving miles to attend.

I prefer midweek night games...but tbh, i'm going to try and persuad him to go for a Curry and beer instead. Watching City at the moment, is the most boring, soul destroying and depressing thing to do...it really does effect the way you feel for the rest of the week.

We've had two seasons of boring poor quality football. The feeling of having to go, just to support my team, because it is my duty as a fan has run it's course now. In 36 years of actively supporting City, it seems enough is enough. I've never felt so low about this Club, even through the bad old days of the 80's.

[ciderup]

We've had two seasons of boring poor quality football. The feeling of having to go, just to support my team, because it is my duty as a fan has run it's course now. In 36 years of actively supporting City, it seems enough is enough. I've never felt so low about this Club, even through the bad old days of the 80's.

Excellent post Spudski and sums up my feelings perfectly.

I am of a similar vintage as you (first season was the promotion season 75/76) and do not feel the urge / buzz like I used to. I would guess there are many more with the same feeling but how do the club entice people back as I am losing the habit already!

Duty? It's supposed to be entertainment. Going to work is a duty isn't it?

[spudski]

Excellent post Spudski and sums up my feelings perfectly.

I am of a similar vintage as you (first season was the promotion season 75/76) and do not feel the urge / buzz like I used to. I would guess there are many more with the same feeling but how do the club entice people back as I am losing the habit already!

Duty? It's supposed to be entertainment. Going to work is a duty isn't it?

I think it's a factor of many things.

Once you get to a certain age, you tend not to be so gullable and suffer fools gladly. All down to lifes experiences. Many feel they are being taken for a ride by the Club.

The PR at the Club at the moment is abysmal. So many mixed messages, and no one having any idea of what is happening. I feel like a mushroom, fed shit and kept in the dark. You are expected to just turn up, pay your money, buy all the merchandise, eat and drink crap, support the team loudly and proudly, forget about being entertained, put up with being treated like a third class citizen, not question the manager, player selection, board or owner and do all this whilst watching a team of individuals i really know jack shit about, who don't want to be here, some belong to other clubs and seem to have no passion or affiliation with us or the Club.

Then you have to fight your way home feeling misearable, travel across town in traffic jams, after walking past a line up of players cars that wouldn't look out of place in Monaco...And all for what?

For me personally... I just want to be entertained. What i watch right now is poor quality and poor entertainment and not worth the time, effort and money.

There is an interesting article here about football supporters, what football Clubs mean to certain fans and how things are changing. We are all different, but it makes for an interesting social observation.

http://www.le.ac.uk/snccfr/resources/factsheets/fs3.html

[havanatopia]

I think it's a factor of many things.

Once you get to a certain age, you tend not to be so gullable and suffer fools gladly. All down to lifes experiences. Many feel they are being taken for a ride by the Club.

The PR at the Club at the moment is abysmal. So many mixed messages, and no one having any idea of what is happening. I feel like a mushroom, fed shit and kept in the dark. You are expected to just turn up, pay your money, buy all the merchandise, eat and drink crap, support the team loudly and proudly, forget about being entertained, put up with being treated like a third class citizen, not question the manager, player selection, board or owner and do all this whilst watching a team of individuals i really know jack shit about, who don't want to be here, some belong to other clubs and seem to have no passion or affiliation with us or the Club.

Then you have to fight your way home feeling misearable, travel across town in traffic jams, after walking past a line up of players cars that wouldn't look out of place in Monaco...And all for what?

For me personally... I just want to be entertained. What i watch right now is poor quality and poor entertainment and not worth the time, effort and money.

There is an interesting article here about football supporters, what football Clubs mean to certain fans and how things are changing. We are all different, but it makes for an interesting social observation.

http://www.le.ac.uk/...sheets/fs3.html

Good post Spud, feel for you.

[spudski]

Good post Spud, feel for you.

Don't feel sorry for me mate...seriously. I've had fun following City all these years, but i've found much more entertaining things to do nowadays. Travel and participating in other sports being some of them. I'll select a few matches to watch City play this season, and i'll go to watch other teams play abroad. But watching City every weekend...I couldn't think of anything worse right now. I feel more sorry for all those supporters, whose life revolves around following City. It must be hell right now. So glad i witnessed football first hand through the 70's, 80's and even parts of the 90's. Times move on...

[Forza Revolution]

Watched Argentina vs France today. Everyone putting their bodys on the line and giving everything they have! I really enjoyed it. Havent enjoyed city for a long time!

Pre madonnas earning to much money and not caring about the shirt. I might start watching the egg chasers

[Pewsham]

Watched Argentina vs France today. Everyone putting their bodys on the line and giving everything they have! I really enjoyed it. Havent enjoyed city for a long time!

Pre madonnas earning to much money and not caring about the shirt. I might start watching the egg chasers

err Argentina were playing Scotland

[Alex_BCFC]

err Argentina were playing Scotland

Don't go if you are a part timer.