Super Scotty Murray Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 I am disgusted how people talk about Keith Millen with such disrespect and boo him off the pitch with no regard to what he has done for this club. Helped us almost get promoted to the prem, stablised the club twice after Johnson/Coppell leaving and had a respectable season last season. Why is it that he gets 100% of the blame and the players dont get any! He cant win...we have a poor defence so he plays 4-5-1 and we cant score, he goes for it with 4-4-2 and we concede sloppy goals mainly from individual errors. I can tell you now that no manager is going to turn our defenders into good players and Millen has as good a chance as anyone to get us out of this mess. This is only my opinion and I know I am in the minority, but there is still a long way to go this season and he deserves a chance to prove himself, if we are still in the bottom 3 come Christmas, then it may be time to part ways so a new manager has a chance to buy new players in January. Sacking him now would not help because the new manager would be stuck with the same poor defenders! More than anything, I just want to say to Keith Millen if he were to read this, that I am disgusted with the way fans are treating him at the moment and they should all be ashamed of themselves. I am more annoyed that we haven't gone out and bought a centre back and a creative midfielder, than I am with Kieth Millen and the board are more to blame for this than him.
Brizzle Jordan Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 He's the man who plays players out of position for example Pitman on the left wing... and makes daft subs so he should be blamed. He's been in charge for 12 months and we've made no progress at all so enough is enough.
Guest woody1 Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 are you on day release from the nuthouse.hes useless
Guest Syco Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 GJ never got this much stick even tho he clearly lost the plot and did far worse than Millen is doing. As you eluded to in your post we played 4-1-2-2-1 and we did alright. Change to 4-4-2 to keep the masses happy and he is still getting grief for it from the same people that called for him to change to 4-4-2. I look forward to reverting to the 4-1-2-2-1 at Blackpool.
RedZepperin Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 We all, including the chairman and the owner, need to stop being so sentimental about managers. If Keith had wanted a stable job, he would have become a P.E. teacher. Let's get managers in, get them to do the business and, if they don't, get rid of them.
Rob k Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 GJ never got this much stick even tho he clearly lost the plot and did far worse than Millen is doing. As you eluded to in your post we played 4-1-2-2-1 and we did alright. Change to 4-4-2 to keep the masses happy and he is still getting grief for it from the same people that called for him to change to 4-4-2. I look forward to reverting to the 4-1-2-2-1 at Blackpool. Gj was never this bad
simonwheeler Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 I am disgusted how people talk about Keith Millen with such disrespect and boo him off the pitch with no regard to what he has done for this club. Helped us almost get promoted to the prem, stablised the club twice after Johnson/Coppell leaving and had a respectable season last season. Why is it that he gets 100% of the blame and the players dont get any! He cant win...we have a poor defence so he plays 4-5-1 and we cant score, he goes for it with 4-4-2 and we concede sloppy goals mainly from individual errors. I can tell you now that no manager is going to turn our defenders into good players and Millen has as good a chance as anyone to get us out of this mess. This is only my opinion and I know I am in the minority, but there is still a long way to go this season and he deserves a chance to prove himself, if we are still in the bottom 3 come Christmas, then it may be time to part ways so a new manager has a chance to buy new players in January. Sacking him now would not help because the new manager would be stuck with the same poor defenders! More than anything, I just want to say to Keith Millen if he were to read this, that I am disgusted with the way fans are treating him at the moment and they should all be ashamed of themselves. I am more annoyed that we haven't gone out and bought a centre back and a creative midfielder, than I am with Kieth Millen and the board are more to blame for this than him. Must admit that whilst I feel that it is only a matter of time before Keith is searching the "Situations vacant" columns and he has in some way contributed to his own downfall in the formations that he sometimes plays or with what little money that he did have in the Summer was totally wasted on players in positions that we either had ample cover in or who are "prospects" nothing else. But in his defence the guy has always appeared to act with dignity and always appears to have his heart in the job? Perhaps there in lies part of the problem? After the (alleged) bullying tactics of GJ the club decided to go to the total opposite end of the spectrum, but, unfortunately it has not worked? I agree that "if" Keith Millen ever reads this I certainly wish him no ill personally, but, I think that its a lot of the highly paid, so called experienced players who should be looking for jobs next week because at the end of the day, once they walk over that white line it is there hands who Millie has his fate in and at present I certainly would not want MOST OF THE OVER PAID, PRIMA DONNAS in the trenches with me when the flak that presently KM is facing comes hurtling down? Lets not forget that in the likes of Calamity, Kilkenny, Carey, Elliott, Nyatanga and Campbell-Ryce we have experienced players with a combined total of over 2,200 league appearances, yet, on Tuesday night when it started to go tits up and the younger less experienced players were looking for some guidance and leadership where were this mob - Running towards the hills or their expensive limousines parked behind the Atyeo!!!! They really showed their support for the manager - NOT? At the end of the day most City fans were surprised that Lansdown appointed Millen so quickly after Coppell jumped ship and most could have reasonably predicted that it would end in tears sooner rather than, but, whilst it appears that KM has been literally chucked in at the deep end he has had little or no help from a lot of his players who at times he has been extremely loyal to and I know for a fact in certain cases are being paid MORE than he is??? When next week the saga of KM is finally brought to its humane conclusion I truly hope that a lot of the players take a really long hard look at themselves as lets not forget they have hardly bust a gut to support their manager - or ex as it will probably be by this time next weeK?
Guest Syco Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Gj was never this bad Bristol City 0 Cardiff City 6 at Ashton Gate
Mr Mosquito Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 We all, including the chairman and the owner, need to stop being so sentimental about managers. If Keith had wanted a stable job, he would have become a P.E. teacher. Let's get managers in, get them to do the business and, if they don't, get rid of them. You are right because football is a highly paid and a results driven business. At any club in the land you'll be out if you don't perform. Just before last season, Norwich, QPR and Swansea all changed their managers and they were all promoted from this division. Swansea spent only a fraction of the expediture here and got promotion - it can be done !!!!!
Esmond Million's Bung Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Plus side really nice guy, obviously knowledgeable and highly qualified. Minus side average footballer, very average coach and below average manager, sadly out of his depth IMO. Comes across as a really nice guy but also as someone who dosen't inspire the fans and probably the players and indecisive IMO. Another plus side I feel sure he will find another job (probably as a coach) but probably at a lower level IMO.
Mr Mosquito Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Plus side really nice guy, obviously knowledgeable and highly qualified. Minus side average footballer, very average coach and below average manager, sadly out of his depth IMO. Comes across as a really nice guy but also as someone who dosen't inspire the fans and probably the players and indecisive IMO. Another plus side I feel sure he will find another job (probably as a coach) but probably at a lower level IMO. Keith Millen is far too nice to be a manager. All the successful managers now and in history had a ruthless side to them, Keith Millen is far too nice to be ruthless. The best example of this - in relatively recent times - was the Brian Clough and Peter Taylor partnership as they were totally ruthless and amazingly successful at Derby and Forest that were both very unfashionable clubs until they started there. Even the national media were very wary of Brian Clough and Peter Taylor due to how nasty they could be with press reporters.
PFree Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 I am disgusted how people talk about Keith Millen with such disrespect and boo him off the pitch with no regard to what he has done for this club. Helped us almost get promoted to the prem, stablised the club twice after Johnson/Coppell leaving and had a respectable season last season. Why is it that he gets 100% of the blame and the players dont get any! He cant win...we have a poor defence so he plays 4-5-1 and we cant score, he goes for it with 4-4-2 and we concede sloppy goals mainly from individual errors. I can tell you now that no manager is going to turn our defenders into good players and Millen has as good a chance as anyone to get us out of this mess. This is only my opinion and I know I am in the minority, but there is still a long way to go this season and he deserves a chance to prove himself, if we are still in the bottom 3 come Christmas, then it may be time to part ways so a new manager has a chance to buy new players in January. Sacking him now would not help because the new manager would be stuck with the same poor defenders! More than anything, I just want to say to Keith Millen if he were to read this, that I am disgusted with the way fans are treating him at the moment and they should all be ashamed of themselves. I am more annoyed that we haven't gone out and bought a centre back and a creative midfielder, than I am with Kieth Millen and the board are more to blame for this than him. I'm sorry Keith, it's just that you are paid an awful lot of money and yet you don't seem to know what you are doing...
bucksred Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 its all about results, and Millen aint got them, or it. His substitions are worse than GJ, Tinman and Danny "Defeat Is not Failure" Wilson put together (and there were some real doozies then n all). The football we're playing is time warp Watford style shit. The players are average in the main, and hes making them worse. And I'm sick to bloody death of the lame excuses He aint good enough, and we still aint good enough 60 odd games on. Time for a change, time for a clearout. Sentimentality is over rated, saying he nearly got us promoted, forgets the clueless tanking by Swansea which cost Tinnion his job. Millen SHOULD have gone then... Oh yeah and the poster who mentioned the 6-0 tanking under GJ, forgets the fact who his assistant was that night, yep the same Keith Millen. nuff said.
NATCHER Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 When next week the saga of KM is finally brought to its humane conclusion I truly hope that a lot of the players take a really long hard look at themselves as lets not forget they have hardly bust a gut to support their manager - or ex as it will probably be by this time next weeK? Alas Simon, I think you ask too much.
tin Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Gj was never this bad He bloody was. Anyone who's oblivious to his role in the current predicament has their head's in the sand.
Guest Syco Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 He bloody was. Anyone who's oblivious to his role in the current predicament has their head's in the sand. IMO we are in this mess because of GJ. SL also has his share of the blame and has even admitted he got too close to GJ. What I will never take away from GJ is them fantastic two seasons and will thank him for that forever. However because of them two seasons people's memory of his time is some what distorted. In his final season things were bad, Very bad. The guy simply lost the plot. I'm still trying to understand how he thought it was productive to play with no wingers. Oh yea and he also blamed the fans for his own short givings. Things are currently bad but I can see signs on progress and I can see the direction we are aiming towards. In Gj's era I couldn't. Had he not left when he did we would have gone down. Millen saved us. Many forget that.
Cider Army Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 As far as im concerned millen is a product of himself not johnson..I agree miillen should of gone when tinnion did.I feel johnson along with thompson would of produced but its not about then its now...Now is the time to get rid im fed up of certain people giving this numpty we have in charge every excuse""The bloke is useless and the sooner he goes the sooner all of use get BRISTOL CITY FOOTBALL CLUB back!!! A nd of course a full ashton gate...
Super Scotty Murray Posted October 1, 2011 Author Posted October 1, 2011 The point I was trying to make is not that I think Millen is a saint and should never be sacked, my issue is the way people are going about it and placing the blame entirely on him. Was it his fault James has given away about 5 goals this season, that Nicky Maynard can't score a penalty, that the board decided not to spend money this summer because they wanted to keep Maynard? I course not! My issue is that it is always easy just to scapegoat the manager as problem and I think the abuse Mullen is getting is unfair. I also can't believe some people are moaning that we are paying him when Jon stead is being paid £12,000 a week to sit on the bench! If it was up to football fans managers would be sacked every time they have a bad run of results and football would be more of a soap opera than a game. I am also one of the minority that actually wants us to beat Blackpool today when I think most of our fans would rather we lose 5-0 so we can sack Millen then all our problems will be solved. They won't be.
Rob k Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 IMO we are in this mess because of GJ. SL also has his share of the blame and has even admitted he got too close to GJ. What I will never take away from GJ is them fantastic two seasons and will thank him for that forever. However because of them two seasons people's memory of his time is sopictureme what distorted. In his final season things were bad, Very bad. The guy simply lost the plot. I'm still trying to understand how he thought it was productive to play with no wingers. Oh yea and he also blamed the fans for his own short givings. Things are currently bad but I can see signs on progress and I can see the direction we are aiming towards. In Gj's era I couldn't. Had he not left when he did we would have gone down. Millen saved us. Many forget that. We would have needed 3 points the season GJ was sacked so to say we would have gone down us ridiculous. There was not many GJ players out there Tuesday so how it's his fault is beyond me!!
screech Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 We would have needed 3 points the season GJ was sacked so to say we would have gone down us ridiculous. There was not many GJ players out there Tuesday so how it's his fault is beyond me!! I agree, this blaming Johnson rubbish is a ludicrous angle of spin. Of course it's Keith Millens fault, it was him in charge for 99% of last season and now this season. He trains them, shapes them as a team, has had two and a bit transfer windows to get his own players in, has wasted money on players such as Woolford, and is responsible for the continuation of dull, negative football which GJ started. Had he instilled the type of football seen over the past two weeks where he knew he had to open up, there would be more points on the board and he would be looking at a healthier position in the league. I keep seeing posts such as these regarding the abuse Keith gets, well years ago, he would have had dogs abuse at the ground, at least fans in the main these days use these boards to vent their frustration rather than confronting him direct. So I think he's been very lucky as had GJ, the difference between Johnson and Millen is, Johnson had earned his stay of execution for all the good work he did for 3 seasons, Keith has not.
Riaz Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 He bloody was. Anyone who's oblivious to his role in the current predicament has their head's in the sand. Gary Johnson at his worst is about the same as Millen at his best. Theres no doubting that, unless you did'nt like Johnson - which of course would cloud your judgement. Johnsons signings were not great towards the end. But they have no relevance now. Coppell is partly to blame, but that is also limited. Millen has spent nearly two million quid on wingers and strikers and we have got worse for it. Most of johnsons signings that are still here are the better players and are mostly playing apart, instead of sitting in the stands. Johnson to blame? not at all. Tell me johnsons decisions that are holding us back now? Mini me and macca? Any others? Compare that to, Cisse, Hunt, Stewart. Players Millen has signed and hardly played - Woolford Taylor and Bolasie. Plus Millens shocking decision to give gerken a 2 yr deal
Kibs Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 I am disgusted how people talk about Keith Millen with such disrespect and boo him off the pitch with no regard to what he has done for this club. Helped us almost get promoted to the prem, stablised the club twice after Johnson/Coppell leaving and had a respectable season last season. Why is it that he gets 100% of the blame and the players dont get any! He cant win...we have a poor defence so he plays 4-5-1 and we cant score, he goes for it with 4-4-2 and we concede sloppy goals mainly from individual errors. I can tell you now that no manager is going to turn our defenders into good players and Millen has as good a chance as anyone to get us out of this mess. This is only my opinion and I know I am in the minority, but there is still a long way to go this season and he deserves a chance to prove himself, if we are still in the bottom 3 come Christmas, then it may be time to part ways so a new manager has a chance to buy new players in January. Sacking him now would not help because the new manager would be stuck with the same poor defenders! More than anything, I just want to say to Keith Millen if he were to read this, that I am disgusted with the way fans are treating him at the moment and they should all be ashamed of themselves. I am more annoyed that we haven't gone out and bought a centre back and a creative midfielder, than I am with Kieth Millen and the board are more to blame for this than him. Oh get over it FFS, you're about as wet as Millen himself. I care about and support Bristol City. He needs to go for the good of the club and before it's too late to be turned around. I'd have a lot more respect for him if he walked...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 are you on day release from the nuthouse.hes useless What an utterly tragic comment. Go away.
Barrs Court Red Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 What an utterly tragic comment. Go away. Wish you would. Get over yourself.
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 IMO we are in this mess because of GJ. SL also has his share of the blame and has even admitted he got too close to GJ. What I will never take away from GJ is them fantastic two seasons and will thank him for that forever. However because of them two seasons people's memory of his time is some what distorted. In his final season things were bad, Very bad. The guy simply lost the plot. I'm still trying to understand how he thought it was productive to play with no wingers. Oh yea and he also blamed the fans for his own short givings. Things are currently bad but I can see signs on progress and I can see the direction we are aiming towards. In Gj's era I couldn't. Had he not left when he did we would have gone down. Millen saved us. Many forget that. What total and utter bollox. With the squad at his disposal, the money he has been allowed to spend, David Blunketts guide dog could have kept us up last season. and here we are a year on with poor signings, poor coaching, poor decision making and now falling out with at least 4 players (sounds familiar) and instead of even a modest improvement which most of us would have accepted, we are even worse than last season and can't even win at home, Millen is out of his depth and he told us no excuses but you go on blaming somebody who left 18 months ago, it's pathetic.
Mr Mosquito Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 What total and utter bollox. With the squad at his disposal, the money he has been allowed to spend, David Blunketts guide dog could have kept us up last season. and here we are a year on with poor signings, poor coaching, poor decision making and now falling out with at least 4 players (sounds familiar) and instead of even a modest improvement which most of us would have accepted, we are even worse than last season and can't even win at home, Millen is out of his depth and he told us no excuses but you go on blaming somebody who left 18 months ago, it's pathetic. I completely agree with you. Keith Millen, nice bloke and all that but this season's home form under his tenure is nothing other than completely crap given the player resources at his disposal. No other football clubs' supporters in the country would stand for that.
beaverface Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 I am disgusted how people talk about Keith Millen with such disrespect and boo him off the pitch with no regard to what he has done for this club. Helped us almost get promoted to the prem, stablised the club twice after Johnson/Coppell leaving and had a respectable season last season. Why is it that he gets 100% of the blame and the players dont get any! He cant win...we have a poor defence so he plays 4-5-1 and we cant score, he goes for it with 4-4-2 and we concede sloppy goals mainly from individual errors. I can tell you now that no manager is going to turn our defenders into good players and Millen has as good a chance as anyone to get us out of this mess. This is only my opinion and I know I am in the minority, but there is still a long way to go this season and he deserves a chance to prove himself, if we are still in the bottom 3 come Christmas, then it may be time to part ways so a new manager has a chance to buy new players in January. Sacking him now would not help because the new manager would be stuck with the same poor defenders! More than anything, I just want to say to Keith Millen if he were to read this, that I am disgusted with the way fans are treating him at the moment and they should all be ashamed of themselves. I am more annoyed that we haven't gone out and bought a centre back and a creative midfielder, than I am with Kieth Millen and the board are more to blame for this than him. So by your token, come Christmas you're going to have the same opinion as what a majority of the posters on here are already saying. Seems to me, that you may have a little more patience than everyone else, but come the time you'll be the same.
Sir Colby-Tit Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 He cant win... Therein lies the lack of respect
havanatopia Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 Most people seem now to agree that Millen is not the solution even if many thought that at the outset save for giving the guy a chance. However, some seem to offset that with stating he's a lovely bloke and all that; do we actually know that? All i know is that at the last match i went to, which turned out to be a 6000 mile round trip and a parking ticket, he walked off at the end without acknowledging the fans one jot and he was NOT booed off. He turned his back on the Williams and walked. I don't call that the behaviour of a nice bloke, sorry, but i don't. Lack of respect in my opinion. Millen has had a very fair crack of the whip, there have been some bright spots, pretty thin on the ground admittedly, and most of them were at the back end of last season but overall i have never had a lot of time for him as a number 2 and now, especially, as a number 1. He should be grateful to SL for the chance, a very big chance, just like Tinman, but he has not taken that chance. There comes a time when BCFC have to say that as much as we would dearly have loved for you to have been a success we cannot wait for a relegation for you to learn all you need to learn to make this club a success. It is first and foremost a results business and while on the one hand you have to applaud SL's loyalty you have to wake up and realize we cannot be the test bed for rookie managers lacking that all important ingredient, charisma. There is one thing MIllen should do to try and avoid the inevitable final thrashing ala Tinman in South Wales; he should negotiate a graceful exit and soon. He will then regain some, if not all, of the respect he may otherwise have lost.
Bazooka Joe Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 More than anything, I just want to say to Keith Millen if he were to read this, God, how I wish he did read this forum - he would have gone last season. If you're a successful manager - you get the plaudits. If you're a crap manager - you get the brickbats (and to sweeten the pill you have a fat pay cheque!)
Spike Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 So let's get this right.... because he was the assistant manager when we lost out to Hull we should accept him as a poor manager? Sorry but Millen is the man responsible for improving the players and helping build this team into a successful one. As I see it we are one place from bottom of the league so are we supposed to say "nice one Keith, looking forward to going back to league one"? As a fan of this club I want the best for the club, not for the current manager. If he was Alex Ferguson and we'd won multiple trophies and were playing in the top flight I could understand the "give him some respect" comments but honestly, what has he actually done for us as a manager!? He's not up to the challenge, the team, the results and his decisions show that and if we just accept him as the manager when we're facing relegation then we may as well just accept we'll never establish ourselves as a competitive team.
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