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Guest shire red 1

Guest shire red 1

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Looks like Derek Mcinnes unless those bookies have gone mad and that is more like the world ending,

is odds have gone from 5/1 to 1/3on inless than 4 hrs

TRL

TRL

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Pls pls lets hope not! Steer clear of the SPL.

Why? history suggest completely the opposite to your opinion.

glynriley

glynriley

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Looks like Derek Mcinnes unless those bookies have gone mad and that is more like the world ending,

is odds have gone from 5/1 to 1/3on inless than 4 hrs

Dont read too much into it , yet. Anyone sticking £50 on will bring the odds down at this early stage.

Unless Lansdown has put a massive wedge on !!

Guest iWilco

Guest iWilco

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Nah if Dave Jones wants it its going to be his!

Harry

Harry

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Pls pls lets hope not! Steer clear of the SPL.

Check your history fella.

Then come back and re-post something sensible.

Kingswood Robin

Kingswood Robin

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Its funny how the bookies can be so sure.

I get the impression the board are as unclear as we are as to who it will be, this soon. We could do a good deal worse than appoint a Scottish manager. Hes been linked to several english clubs now but hasn't made the move. Would he be prepared to move down here?

Guest shire red 1

Guest shire red 1

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If there something i no about its betting, how is it the bookies only open his price at 5/1 unless they havent been tipped off,

he was the 3rd in the betting and if u no a few scotts hes on his way down 2 moro 2 chat .so there goes fella

Brizzle Jordan

Brizzle Jordan

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If i remember correctly, i think St Johnstone have allowed McInnes to talk terms with a few clubs, most recentley Brentford before they appointed Rosler. I think this was before they agreed any sort of compensation package so him coming down for talks isn't entirely impossible.

pride of the west

pride of the west

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The only time you should get excitted on the odds is if someone goes from 10/1 to 5/4 in 30 mins followed by the book being suspended. Thats when something major has happened with bookies with their ear to the ground knowing something themselves (unlikely) or theres been an influx of bets. Although the market for this book aint gonna be big so someone posting on here followed by 3 or 4 medium bets by forum users could have the same affect.

Pewsham

Pewsham

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I have absolutely no opinion of McInnes as I have neither watched St Johnston or know much about the man. Instead I sent texts to a friend who is a Season Ticket holder at Dunfermline, a footie fan who lives in Perth and another friend who is a Rangers fan and used to be employed at Ibrox. They all rate Derek McInnes highly. If he's OK with them, he's OK with me.

Chivs

Chivs

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I can only think of about 15 TOP managers who started in the SPLclapping.gif

Just out of interest, are you sure you can? I can think of many Scottish managers but not many who started in the SPL (and if I'm being very pedantic I don't think the obvious one managed in the SPL?).

Kingswood Robin

Kingswood Robin

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I'm not sure you understand how odds are altered? It's not the bookies being sure about anything. The odds are purely a reflection of where the money is going the more people bet on McInnes, the shorter his odds will become. The bookies have virtually nothing to do with it other than setting the starting odds.

I'm no gambler, but I thought it was at the bookies own discretion to set the odds regardless of where money was going, including the starting odds. I'm amazed they can even come up with starting odds this early.

Harry

Harry

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I have absolutely no opinion of McInnes as I have neither watched St Johnston or know much about the man. Instead I sent texts to a friend who is a Season Ticket holder at Dunfermline, a footie fan who lives in Perth and another friend who is a Rangers fan and used to be employed at Ibrox. They all rate Derek McInnes highly. If he's OK with them, he's OK with me.

Can you ask your Dunfermline mate what he makes of Jim McIntyre?

i hate you butler

i hate you butler

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Just out of interest, are you sure you can? I can think of many Scottish managers but not many who started in the SPL (and if I'm being very pedantic I don't think the obvious one managed in the SPL?).

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definately aberdeen chivs

glynriley

glynriley

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Just out of interest, are you sure you can? I can think of many Scottish managers but not many who started in the SPL (and if I'm being very pedantic I don't think the obvious one managed in the SPL?).

If you mean Sir Alex he managed St Mirren and Aberdeen. In fact I think he was St Mirren manager when we won the Anglo Scottish cup?

Chivs

Chivs

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definately aberdeen chivs

If you mean Sir Alex he managed St Mirren and Aberdeen. In fact I think he was St Mirren manager when we won the Anglo Scottish cup?

I do mean Mr Ferguson but he never managed in the SPL which started in 1998.

I remembered Aberdeen but not St. Mirren where I think he got sacked?!?! Millen, anybody? Thought not.

glynriley

glynriley

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I do mean Mr Ferguson but he never managed in the SPL which started in 1998.

I remembered Aberdeen but not St. Mirren where I think he got sacked?!?! Millen, anybody? Thought not.

Fair enough , but yes , you are being pedantic !!! :innocent06:

Brizzle Jordan

Brizzle Jordan

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I am actually excited about these odds on McInnes.. I know I shouldn't take them too seriously but I really do hope he is our man. Only 40 years old, lost only 38 games in 130 in charge of St Johnstone which is impressive. Dont you just love Wikipedia? :innocent06:

Peanut, where are you getting updates on these odds? Feel free to post the link if you have one. Thanks

notsobigfatdave

notsobigfatdave

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Looks like Derek Mcinnes unless those bookies have gone mad and that is more like the world ending,

is odds have gone from 5/1 to 1/3on inless than 4 hrs

Its called diversionary hedging....making out there is a run on a particular favorite in order to deflect more hefty bets from the real favorite.

Personally i dont think the board will make a hasty decision and it maybe that the post is formally advertised.

glynriley

glynriley

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I am actually excited about these odds on McInnes.. I know I shouldn't take them too seriously but I really do hope he is our man. Only 40 years old, lost only 38 games in 130 in charge of St Johnstone which is impressive. Dont you just love Wikipedia? :innocent06:

Peanut, where are you getting updates on these odds? Feel free to post the link if you have one. Thanks

Try this Jordan

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/bristol-city-specials/next-permanent-manager

notsobigfatdave

notsobigfatdave

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I am actually excited about these odds on McInnes.. I know I shouldn't take them too seriously but I really do hope he is our man. Only 40 years old, lost only 38 games in 130 in charge of St Johnstone which is impressive. Dont you just love Wikipedia? :innocent06:

Peanut, where are you getting updates on these odds? Feel free to post the link if you have one. Thanks

Who is this Wiki Pedia? is he scandanavian ? what are his odds.?

Guest shire red 1

Guest shire red 1

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snap would be a sell out easy

bringbacktherobin

bringbacktherobin

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dave jones 2/1 mcciness 1/2.. i really don't understand betting.. who's the favourite?

Mcinnes

Mcinnes, if you put £2 on you will get £1 back + plus your £2 stake.

With jones, you put £1 on and get £2 back plus your £1 stake.

Chivs

Chivs

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Fair enough , but yes , you are being pedantic !!! :innocent06:

Guilty as charged. read.gif

But, back to the original question, how many good managers actually started managing in a Scottish league?

glynriley

glynriley

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dave jones 2/1 mcciness 1/2.. i really don't understand betting.. who's the favourite?

McInnes is favourite.

Guest

Guest

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Its called diversionary hedging....making out there is a run on a particular favorite in order to deflect more hefty bets from the real favorite.

Personally i dont think the board will make a hasty decision and it maybe that the post is formally advertised.

He knows, and to the title of this thread - what about the odds on of 1/2 about Jones earlier? I would bet money that Mcinnes will be odds against tomorrow, trouble is skybet dont want to take a decent bet on the market anyway. Ring them and ask for 500 on any of them and you will get refeered to a trader and probably get offered 25 quid if you are lucky!!

glynriley

glynriley

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Guilty as charged. read.gif

But, back to the original question, how many good managers actually started managing in a Scottish league?

Dont know , someone else said they could name loads though.

Only ones I can think of are McCleish and Coyle

Edit: And Billy Davies !

Harry

Harry

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Guilty as charged. read.gif

But, back to the original question, how many good managers actually started managing in a Scottish league?

Well, for starters if you just look at the last 5 seasons in the Championship, at least 1 promoted team has had a man in charge who has managed in Scotland.

Lambert at Norwich, Coyle at Burnley, McLeish at Brum, Mowbray at WBA, Davies at Derby.

So, 5 consecutive success stories in 5 seasons. And only 1 of which had previous experience managing in England, let alone the Championship. Hence why it's complete garbage everyone shouting for us to hire a manager who has managed at this level. It is not a pre-requisite of success.

hinsleburg

hinsleburg

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The odds don't represents the chance of it happening, they just represent who the bookies will have to pay the most out on.

There does tend to be a correlation though, the bookies don't make a habit of throwing money down the drain.

Red Robin

Red Robin

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Let's get real here,we need a proven manager in the championship,not some manager from third division standard football in Scotland.to much of a gamble.

The three that are serious contenders who have proved themselves in the championship are .

B DAVIES D JONES SOD.NEIL WARNOCK.

One of these I believe will be our manager.

Just added Neil warnock to the list shhhhhh

Guest Aberdeen_Pete

Guest Aberdeen_Pete

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If it is mcinnes I would stick my neck out and say it would be the best possible appointment we would not go down and would easy be top half the following season, his age, ambition and mould of football is a perfect fit for us...I am slightly biased being a Scottish (and now living in Scotland) city fan, but seriously don't dismiss this guy his track record is exceptional, perfect fit for us.

Harry

Harry

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Let's get real here,we need a proven manager in the championship,not some manager from third division standard football in Scotland.to much of a gamble.

The three that are serious contenders who have proved themselves in the championship are .

B DAVIES D JONES SOD.

One of these I believe will be our manager.

Based on what? Managers with the most recent success in this division, had not previously had any experience of this division. Why do people continually claim this is what we need????? It is not relevant!!!!!

Mr Gow

Mr Gow

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Got to admit i hadnt really ever heard of him before today,but the more i read up on him the more impressed iam,ive just read his wiki page,and it seems he has done wonders for St Johnson. Getting them promoted and now up to joint 3rd in the spl.

I note he has been linked with the WBA Burnley and Watford jobs not so long ago,i note also that Spackman held him in high esteem as a player for Millwall,stating he wishes all his players were like DM

I also use another forum {none football related) and have enquired about DM to the Jocks on there. They all say he is a good manager and will go on to better himself.

He's young at 40, hungry and by the sounds of it a dedicated hard worker.

Look around the English leagues including the prem and take note of all the Scottish managers,ok the SPL might be poo, also the Scottish national team, but boy do the Jocks ever produce decent managers

Red_Mat

Red_Mat

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Let's get real here,we need a proven manager in the championship,not some manager from third division standard football in Scotland.to much of a gamble.

The three that are serious contenders who have proved themselves in the championship are .

B DAVIES D JONES SOD.NEIL WARNOCK.

One of these I believe will be our manager.

Just added Neil warnock to the list shhhhhh

I agree - 'Sod Neil Warnock', the guy's a wa*ker.

Port Said Red

Port Said Red

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I am in Glasgow at the moment and have just mentioned Mcinnes to a Rangers supporter, he was very enthusiastic. Apparently last season Saints had a reputation for playing good football and being tight in defence! He said they had trouble scoring goal though, but this season he has brought in 2 spanish strikers and they are scoring as well. I am becoming more inclined towards this guy, I feel we already have the strikers and if he could work some magic on our defence that would be ideal.

Guest bigphilgj

Guest bigphilgj

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'SunSport understands City are ready to make an approach for McInnes after scrutinising his credentials'

...so he has had his medical already?

The Casual Connoisseur

The Casual Connoisseur

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I am in Glasgow at the moment and have just mentioned Mcinnes to a Rangers supporter, he was very enthusiastic. Apparently last season Saints had a reputation for playing good football and being tight in defence! He said they had trouble scoring goal though, but this season he has brought in 2 spanish strikers and they are scoring as well. I am becoming more inclined towards this guy, I feel we already have the strikers and if he could work some magic on our defence that would be ideal.

But we all know it's extremely dangerous to draw comparisons between the Scottish Leagues and our leagues, let's be honest there are 2 good teams in that league and neither of them would be contenders in our league IMHO.

Port Said Red

Port Said Red

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But we all know it's extremely dangerous to draw comparisons between the Scottish Leagues and our leagues, let's be honest there are 2 good teams in that league and neither of them would be contenders in our league IMHO.

St Johnstone went to Parkhead and won this season which is a pretty good achievement no matter how badly Celtic are playing at the moment. I think that the experience of playing in a league where there is a big disparity between playing budgets of the teams is good grounding for the Championship.

The Casual Connoisseur

The Casual Connoisseur

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St Johnstone went to Parkhead and won this season which is a pretty good achievement no matter how badly Celtic are playing at the moment. I think that the experience of playing in a league where there is a big disparity between playing budgets of the teams is good grounding for the Championship.

It's one thing preparing a team for a "cup final" against a poor Celtic but in our position everygame will need to yield at least a point, I really don't think he's the man to lead us out of this dire mess, still I'd happily be proved wrong.

Guest weejohn

Guest weejohn

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Hi Lads,

St Johnstone fan here.

Del boy is fav for the job I believe.

It is only a matter of time before he moves to a big job and it may well be City.

If so, you are getting a top manager and a top bloke, one of the best up and coming managers going.

It is fact that he has already turned down Watford (2 years back) and Brentford (start of the season), and linked with plenty other jobs.

I hope he doesn't go but the money and the lure of a championship team may be too much this time.

He will not keep turning the jobs down, he will accept one of them.

all the best.

Monkeh

Monkeh

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Our new manager won't be in employment as we would have to pay compo,

The club won't do that as its tightening its belt,

It will be a manager who is currently unemployed

Snufflelufagus

Snufflelufagus

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Our new manager won't be in employment as we would have to pay compo,

The club won't do that as its tightening its belt,

It will be a manager who is currently unemployed

i reckon even with paying comp for him he'd still be cheaper than someone like Jones. I'd imagine £200,000 - £300,000 for comp plus £5000 a week wages on 3 year deal = £108,0000.

Jones would probably want £10000 a week so for same 3 year deal he would be £1.5 million. Obviously i could be way off with my wage estimates !

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