Red Robin Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 Well according to sky they say jones is the leading contender at present. Well they normally get it right . Would be a happy bunny if he is the man coming on board. Done it,experienced,ambition,contacts,wants to succed. This post has been edited by Red Robin: 23 minutes ago
Mendip City Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 Well according to sky they say jones is the leading contender at present. Well they normally get it right . Would be a happy bunny if he is the man coming on board. Done it,experienced,ambition,contacts,wants to succed. This post has been edited by Red Robin: 23 minutes ago when,where on Sky????
cityboy Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 Reality: No-one knows so my advice is just relax, be patient, and all will be revealed in time.
milo1111 Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 Reality: No-one knows so my advice is just relax, be patient, and all will be revealed in time. your right but it kind of defeats the object of the forum mind.
Mr Gow Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 your right but it kind of defeats the object of the forum mind. Ha Ha how true
CityBS15 Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 Well according to sky they say jones is the leading contender at present. Well they normally get it right . Would be a happy bunny if he is the man coming on board. Done it,experienced,ambition,contacts,wants to succed. This post has been edited by Red Robin: 23 minutes ago DONE WHAT? mcinnes camp here
Alex_BCFC Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 DONE WHAT? Managed to **** up what should have been an easy path to promotion with such a good squad last season and the season before. The season before that he got Cardiff on a magical run that saw them go from 5th placed with 2 games in hand to fall out of the play-offs right at the end including 1 point out of the last 12. Basically he bottled making the play-offs and then the actual play-offs twice in the three seasons. Danny Wilson anyone?
TinnionForEngland Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Managed to **** up what should have been an easy path to promotion with such a good squad last season and the season before. The season before that he got Cardiff on a magical run that saw them go from 5th placed with 2 games in hand to fall out of the play-offs right at the end including 1 point out of the last 12. Basically he bottled making the play-offs and then the actual play-offs twice in the three seasons. Danny Wilson anyone? Or just players who couldn't take the heat?
bcfcmike Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Well according to sky they say jones is the leading contender at present. Well they normally get it right . Would be a happy bunny if he is the man coming on board. Done it,experienced,ambition,contacts,wants to succed. This post has been edited by Red Robin: 23 minutes ago Lets hope so
Superjack Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 I would like to think that they have some inside knowledge, but I can't help thinking that it's more likely that somebody at Sky has said, "Oh sh1t, we've completely forgotten to mention anything about that Bristol City job vacancy. Quick, make something up!".
Guest Brislingwood Red Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Managed to **** up what should have been an easy path to promotion with such a good squad last season and the season before. The season before that he got Cardiff on a magical run that saw them go from 5th placed with 2 games in hand to fall out of the play-offs right at the end including 1 point out of the last 12. Basically he bottled making the play-offs and then the actual play-offs twice in the three seasons. Danny Wilson anyone? If Jones can get us in and around the play offs only to bottle it at the final hurdle, I'd be delighted with that. Give me a top ten finish over flirting with relegation season upon season any day!!
BS3_RED Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Managed to **** up what should have been an easy path to promotion with such a good squad last season and the season before. The season before that he got Cardiff on a magical run that saw them go from 5th placed with 2 games in hand to fall out of the play-offs right at the end including 1 point out of the last 12. Basically he bottled making the play-offs and then the actual play-offs twice in the three seasons. Danny Wilson anyone? yeah, because the position we find ourselves in at the moment is so much better. I really think some fans need a reality check on just how small our club is compared TO MOST IN THE championship. Dave Jones took over Cardiff when they were in a very similar situation to us. They were one of the smaller clubs in the division and struggling. He took them from that to become an established top end team and one that is now considered one of the big clubs in the division. He also took them to an FA cup final. Now unless you are over 110 years old i doubt you have been to one of them watching City.
screech Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 yeah, because the position we find ourselves in at the moment is so much better. I really think some fans need a reality check on just how small our club is compared TO MOST IN THE championship. Dave Jones took over Cardiff when they were in a very similar situation to us. They were one of the smaller clubs in the division and struggling. He took them from that to become an established top end team and one that is now considered one of the big clubs in the division. He also took them to an FA cup final. Now unless you are over 110 years old i doubt you have been to one of them watching City. Incredible isn't it, when the down side to Jones is he failed in the playoffs, woopydoo. The fact he oversaw Cardiff from near bottom of this league to regular play off contenders seem to be completely overlooked. He had to constantly sell his best players every season, and made a profit in transfer sales. He had a good team last year, 8 of which were loans and he still managed to get them all working together, yes they come up short but my god, some mangers hide behind a mid table finish with the excuse of bedding in new players, the fact he got them to the playoffs is in itself a good achievement. The only other proven championship manager out there is Davies, but he's just as crap because he has only has managed 4 playoffs and a promotion, but he's instantly ruled out because he shouts and is a bad loser. Can't have those sort at this club, oh no, we must have people who are quiet and like to say YES.
Red Robin Posted October 9, 2011 Author Posted October 9, 2011 Incredible isn't it, when the down side to Jones is he failed in the playoffs, woopydoo. The fact he oversaw Cardiff from near bottom of this league to regular play off contenders seem to be completely overlooked. He had to constantly sell his best players every season, and made a profit in transfer sales. He had a good team last year, 8 of which were loans and he still managed to get them all working together, yes they come up short but my god, some mangers hide behind a mid table finish with the excuse of bedding in new players, the fact he got them to the playoffs is in itself a good achievement. The only other proven championship manager out there is Davies, but he's just as crap because he has only has managed 4 playoffs and a promotion, but he's instantly ruled out because he shouts and is a bad loser. Can't have those sort at this club, oh no, we must have people who are quiet and like to say YES. it all most seems some of our fans wamt second or third best. :laughcont: Me i would rather see us bottling playoffs and long cup runs under a jones or davies. :clapping: As some one above has just said,the players may have found the heat to much and were the bottlers. :surrender: If this board wants the best then Jones or Davies simple as. :winner_third_h4h: either i would be happy with. oh if you don't want a top top manager then please SOD as a compromise over the untried that are being touted by some of our fans on here.
Alex_BCFC Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 yeah, because the position we find ourselves in at the moment is so much better. I really think some fans need a reality check on just how small our club is compared TO MOST IN THE championship. Dave Jones took over Cardiff when they were in a very similar situation to us. They were one of the smaller clubs in the division and struggling. He took them from that to become an established top end team and one that is now considered one of the big clubs in the division. He also took them to an FA cup final. Now unless you are over 110 years old i doubt you have been to one of them watching City. I think the point about our position is important and that is the reality check as to why Dave Jones would not fit. We are a small club with limited resources right now in this league. Bringing in Dave Jones, a guy who likes to be able to spend money and get in loans like Bellamy, would be pointless. Unless we get £ for Maynard in January then I don't think he wll get money to spend. When he took over it was the start of a new season so not sure how they could have been struggling? He never had to see them through a relegation battle. They came 16th the season before he came. In his first season he had a small improvement on what Lawrence did and the same the next season. Solid but expected. He won't be starting fresh here though - he will be straight in for a relegation battle. His wage bill must have been massive to bring in Fowler, Haselbaink, Sinclair etc. Again I don't think he will be afford that here. As for the FA Cup Final - great. Although he did only have to beat one Prem team in Middlesborough to make the final. Not sure he would be taking us there though somehow. The two clubs are totally different. Cardiff were willing to overspend on wages etc, right now we are on a tight budget. I personally don't think he can work on that to save us this season.
Pickle Rick Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Reality: No-one knows so my advice is just relax, be patient, and all will be revealed in time. Im sure you're refering to city fans but, why do you seem so certain that no-one knows?
bcfcmike Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Incredible isn't it, when the down side to Jones is he failed in the playoffs, woopydoo. The fact he oversaw Cardiff from near bottom of this league to regular play off contenders seem to be completely overlooked. He had to constantly sell his best players every season, and made a profit in transfer sales. He had a good team last year, 8 of which were loans and he still managed to get them all working together, yes they come up short but my god, some mangers hide behind a mid table finish with the excuse of bedding in new players, the fact he got them to the playoffs is in itself a good achievement. The only other proven championship manager out there is Davies, but he's just as crap because he has only has managed 4 playoffs and a promotion, but he's instantly ruled out because he shouts and is a bad loser. Can't have those sort at this club, oh no, we must have people who are quiet and like to say YES. 100% spot on Screech, it really amazes me some people would prefer Robins, Mcinnes or tisdale, when you got 2 guys like Jones or Davies?? Thats like saying saying "no id prefer paulo sauso rather than Jose mourinho" ??
Alex_BCFC Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 100% spot on Screech, it really amazes me some people would prefer Robins, Mcinnes or tisdale, when you got 2 guys like Jones or Davies?? Thats like saying saying "no id prefer paulo sauso rather than Jose mourinho" ?? But really it isn't is it? Mourinho succeeded even when he didn't have the best resources possible at Benfica and Porto. Jones failed when he had probably the best squad in the league at his disposal and was able to spend crazy amounts on wages I would be fine with Davies if he had money to spend and isn't going to whine on about not being able to bring in X and Y player etc. But I don't think he will be afforded that luxury. You have to think of the situation we are in. We aren't Cardiff where we are going to spend crazy amount on wages and get winding up orders - well at least I hope Lansdown wouldn't let that happen. The situation calls for an apointment of someone who can work with a limited squad and resources, who can get us out of a mess and build (probably slowly) towards getting us up the right end of the table. All that needs to be done on a very limited budget too with the current board and financial sitatuion. This is why I would not back either Jones or Davies to do so based their last 5 years of management.
Kibs Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 But really it isn't is it? Mourinho succeeded even when he didn't have the best resources possible at Benfica and Porto. Jones failed when he had probably the best squad in the league at his disposal and was able to spend crazy amounts on wages I would be fine with Davies if he had money to spend and isn't going to whine on about not being able to bring in X and Y player etc. But I don't think he will be afforded that luxury. You have to think of the situation we are in. We aren't Cardiff where we are going to spend crazy amount on wages and get winding up orders - well at least I hope Lansdown wouldn't let that happen. The situation calls for an apointment of someone who can work with a limited squad and resources, who can get us out of a mess and build (probably slowly) towards getting us up the right end of the table. All that needs to be done on a very limited budget too with the current board and financial sitatuion. This is why I would not back either Jones or Davies to do so based their last 5 years of management. Almost as accurate as your "Dave jones managed to **** up what should have been an easy path to promotion" comment. When has there ever been an easy path to promotion out of this division? You will nearly always have 3 relegated teams from the Premier League that have the financial clout to challenge. His teams have been up there consistently competing, unfortunately, only 3 a year can be successful. The fact you have managed to turn that into a negative to suit your own agenda just shows you talk shite.
bcfcmike Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 But really it isn't is it? Mourinho succeeded even when he didn't have the best resources possible at Benfica and Porto. Jones failed when he had probably the best squad in the league at his disposal and was able to spend crazy amounts on wages I would be fine with Davies if he had money to spend and isn't going to whine on about not being able to bring in X and Y player etc. But I don't think he will be afforded that luxury. You have to think of the situation we are in. We aren't Cardiff where we are going to spend crazy amount on wages and get winding up orders - well at least I hope Lansdown wouldn't let that happen. The situation calls for an apointment of someone who can work with a limited squad and resources, who can get us out of a mess and build (probably slowly) towards getting us up the right end of the table. All that needs to be done on a very limited budget too with the current board and financial sitatuion. This is why I would not back either Jones or Davies to do so based their last 5 years of management. So its off to league 1 then i build from there?? Because thats excatly what it will be if the board get this one wrong......if the job is just too much for Robins ie he only just scraped though at Barnsley imo and what if the jock turns out to be another George Burley??? No sorry not for me.
Alex_BCFC Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Almost as accurate as your "Dave jones managed to **** up what should have been an easy path to promotion" comment. When has there ever been an easy path to promotion out of this division? You will nearly always have 3 relegated teams from the Premier League that have the financial clout to challenge. His teams have been up there consistently competing, unfortunately, only 3 a year can be successful. The fact you have managed to turn that into a negative to suit your own agenda just shows you talk shite. You think he should have failed to get them promoted or even to the play-offs with the players at this disposal? It isn't a doddle but I just feel that he did poorly not to get them in the top 2 over the course of the time he had there. It reminds of me of how Danny Wilson did here and I don't want a bottler like that again especially as we are at the other end of the table.
Alex_BCFC Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 So its off to league 1 then i build from there?? Because thats excatly what it will be if the board get this one wrong......if the job is just too much for Robins ie he only just scraped though at Barnsley imo and what if the jock turns out to be another George Burley??? No sorry not for me. No, not off to league 1. Someone can dig us out of this mess in this league and build. Considering Barnsley don't exactly have a great budget he did reasonable to get them from bottom to 18th. I'm not saying he is amazing but I think he might do well for us given a chance.
Red Robin Posted October 9, 2011 Author Posted October 9, 2011 Crazy crazy some fans,it I'd like saying to do you want a bently or a mini. Complete class difference.
WellRedPhil Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 But really it isn't is it? Mourinho succeeded even when he didn't have the best resources possible at Benfica and Porto. Jones failed when he had probably the best squad in the league at his disposal and was able to spend crazy amounts on wages I would be fine with Davies if he had money to spend and isn't going to whine on about not being able to bring in X and Y player etc. But I don't think he will be afforded that luxury. You have to think of the situation we are in. We aren't Cardiff where we are going to spend crazy amount on wages and get winding up orders - well at least I hope Lansdown wouldn't let that happen. The situation calls for an apointment of someone who can work with a limited squad and resources, who can get us out of a mess and build (probably slowly) towards getting us up the right end of the table. All that needs to be done on a very limited budget too with the current board and financial sitatuion. This is why I would not back either Jones or Davies to do so based their last 5 years of management. A point that many overlook. The squad Cardiff had last season was quite frankly ridiculous for this league yet Jones still couldn't get the job done. The season before as you've mentioned he lost in the playoff final and the season before that was arguably worse as they failed to make the playoffs after being in a very strong position. Even the season we reached the P.O Final they had an excellent squad boasting Ledley, Ramsey, Johnson, Hasslebaink and Fowler to name a few and weren't even close to the playoffs. He's failed elsewhere with strong resources, so don't be surprised if he failed here (should he get the job) with significantly less.
Pete1975Legend Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 A point that many overlook. The squad Cardiff had last season was quite frankly ridiculous for this league yet Jones still couldn't get the job done. The season before as you've mentioned he lost in the playoff final and the season before that was arguably worse as they failed to make the playoffs after being in a very strong position. Even the season we reached the P.O Final they had an excellent squad boasting Ledley, Ramsey, Johnson, Hasslebaink and Fowler to name a few and weren't even close to the playoffs. He's failed elsewhere with strong resources, so don't be surprised if he failed here (should he get the job) with significantly less. He had Bellamy that was the signing, you need a team not a player. The season before that got them to the play offs and an fa cup final. I can't believe any City fan wouldn't have swapped those Dave Jones cardiff seasons for ours!!!! Didn't west ham have the resources last season but still went down? Didn't Chelsea have the resources to win the premier league but didn't does that make ancelotti a poor manager using your way of thinking?
WellRedPhil Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 He had Bellamy that was the signing, you need a team not a player. The season before that got them to the play offs and an fa cup final. I can't believe any City fan wouldn't have swapped those Dave Jones cardiff seasons for ours!!!! Didn't west ham have the resources last season but still went down? Didn't Chelsea have the resources to win the premier league but didn't does that make ancelotti a poor manager using your way of thinking? You say he just had Bellamy but that's nonsense. He had Bellamy (by far the best player in the league) Bothroyd, Chopra, Whittingham, Olofinjana, Koumas, Burke and the list goes on. yet he still couldn't get the job done. Assuming he will get us into the top 6 because he did them is nonsense. They had a significantly better squad and team than we have now with a lot more resources. Your Chelsea point is absurd. For a start i don't think Chelsea had the best team last season I think United did, which is backed up by the CL Final appearance. Ancelotti had also won the double the previous season when Jones has never won anything at Cardiff. And please, enlighten me, why does West Ham having a decent squad and going down in anyway affect the job Jones would do for us? I'm dying to hear this one.
Pete1975Legend Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 You pointed out about strong resources I was just giving you a team who also had this. Man u no way had the strongest team in the PL last season. You saying because man u made CL final backs that up is like saying Greece were strong when they won the European championships laughable comment
Alex_BCFC Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 He had Bellamy that was the signing, you need a team not a player. The season before that got them to the play offs and an fa cup final. I can't believe any City fan wouldn't have swapped those Dave Jones cardiff seasons for ours!!!! Didn't west ham have the resources last season but still went down? Didn't Chelsea have the resources to win the premier league but didn't does that make ancelotti a poor manager using your way of thinking? Why didn't he realise that Bellamy was not a team player? Of course we would have swapped those seasons for ours. That isn't relevant because he won't have the same budget here. Yes West Ham and Chelsea both had the resources and failed. Again not sure what the point is. West Ham had their manager sacked and Ancelotti left.
Sargent Pepper Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Can someone please explain how a manager "bottles" a play off final? Does the pressure of the big match make him forget to tell the players to score one more than the opposition? Does he accidentally pick his reserve team and none of his back room staff notice? Or does he prepare as best as he can only to find his team cross the White line and freeze on the day (as we did vs brighton and some may say vs hull) ? At least his team vs Blackpool had a go and were very much in the game which perhaps you couldn't say about our final
WellRedPhil Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 You pointed out about strong resources I was just giving you a team who also had this. Man u no way had the strongest team in the PL last season. You saying because man u made CL final backs that up is like saying Greece were strong when they won the European championships laughable comment You say they no way had the strongest team yet they won the league by 9 points? Besides, that's opinion. The difference in class between the Chelsea and Manchester United teams last season was clearly not to the same extent as the difference between our team this season and Cardiff's last season. It isn't like saying Greece were the strongest at all because United excelled in the two toughest competitions. That's the whole point, consistency. They also knocked Chelsea out of the CL winning both legs. So if Jones comes here you suddenly think we'll be contending playoffs do you? Get some perspective Pete your posts of late have been nothing short of embarrassing.
bcfcmike Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 Does sky say he is still the leading contender? According to Sky bet Robins is fav at 2/1, followed by Jones at 5/2, so its close. I just hope the board want to put bums on seats again at the gate and choose Jones, because Robins aint going to do that imo.
Pickle Rick Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 According to Sky bet Robins is fav at 2/1, followed by Jones at 5/2, so its close. I just hope the board want to put bums on seats again at the gate and choose Jones, because Robins aint going to do that imo. Put money on Jones.
Pete1975Legend Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 You say they no way had the strongest team yet they won the league by 9 points? Besides, that's opinion. The difference in class between the Chelsea and Manchester United teams last season was clearly not to the same extent as the difference between our team this season and Cardiff's last season. It isn't like saying Greece were the strongest at all because United excelled in the two toughest competitions. That's the whole point, consistency. They also knocked Chelsea out of the CL winning both legs. So if Jones comes here you suddenly think we'll be contending playoffs do you? Get some perspective Pete your posts of late have been nothing short of embarrassing. We wont be contending for play offs but in Jones I believe we WILL go forward as a club and not backwards
Pete1975Legend Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 Put money on Jones. It's on, will you refund if its wrong? Just Kidding I hope he gets the job....Just what we need
Pickle Rick Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 It's on, will you refund if its wrong? Just Kidding I hope he gets the job....Just what we need If its wrong? We will see,
Guest Aliek Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 I just want to add this to the discussion. People are comparing Dave Jones' failure to get promotion with Cardiff to Danny Wilson's failure to get promotion with City as though both of these are bad things. Lets remember that if it wasn't for the hard work and determination in turning around a rubbish squad left by Pulis into a team competing for promotion we would not have gotten Gary Johnson who then got us promotion. Perhaps the key to this appointment is about who can turn this club around; not necessarily into a premier league team, but back into a team capable of competing for promotion. The issues facing the new manager; and the decision on who the next manager will be should be based on these factors: - Survival! First and foremost! - Deciding what to do with Nicky in January - Reducing the wage bill next summer - Replacing the dead wood in the squad with quality players who are hungry to succeed - Able to bring excitement and subsequently the fans back to Ashton Gate I don't what the boards criteria is (obviously), but as a fan this what I think we want from our next manager
Superjack Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 I just want to add this to the discussion. People are comparing Dave Jones' failure to get promotion with Cardiff to Danny Wilson's failure to get promotion with City as though both of these are bad things. Lets remember that if it wasn't for the hard work and determination in turning around a rubbish squad left by Pulis into a team competing for promotion we would not have gotten Gary Johnson who then got us promotion. Perhaps the key to this appointment is about who can turn this club around; not necessarily into a premier league team, but back into a team capable of competing for promotion. The issues facing the new manager; and the decision on who the next manager will be should be based on these factors: This is a very good point well made sir.
Red-Robbo Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 Can someone please explain how a manager "bottles" a play off final? Does the pressure of the big match make him forget to tell the players to score one more than the opposition? In the case of Danny Wilson, he forgets to include his best striker in the squad.
RedInDevon Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 Lets face it where we are now is rock bottom! There is NO leadership, NO commitment, NO passion. What we need is someone to inject ALL those things into the players. Judging by results they have none of those which in my book - if you aint got City running through you like a stick of rock then shape up or ship out - we aint interested in you! Go and play for someone else, we want 150% commitment. As for Dave Jones, I believe he did a bloody good job at Cardiff and lets face it it was the players who bottled it with a handful of games to go - not him. He strikes me as a passionate manager so bring it on. On the flip side the completely unknown McInnes (whhhoooooooo!!!!) might be a good punt as he has turned a second rate Scottish side into one that plays good football and actually competes against the big boys. Mind you the Scottish Premier is pretty much like League One apart from the big 2!!! (Probably get a ton of stick for that comment!!!) Do we actually know when a new manager will be unveiled or is it business as usual - keep treating the paying fans like mushrooms!!!!
BS10 RED Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 Its all about Dave Jones for me. Ill be very happy with 2 play off finals in 3 season at least it will be worth turning up week in week out.
Red-Robbo Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 Its all about Dave Jones for me. Ill be very happy with 2 play off finals in 3 season at least it will be worth turning up week in week out. That's guaranteed, is it? I'd love to see that contract!
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